A Common theme?

[asky]

Having read through quite a few threads on here it would appear that a high majority of people who post here are under pressure from baliffs and the court systems in the form of summonses droping on the mat.

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

[lightindarkness]

Its pretty common I'd say. People want a quick and easy way out of their problems. Freeloading on the land is an excellent method...were it real.

EDIT: Ha, what a Freudian slip. I meant to type Freeman on the land instead of Freeloading on the land. But Freeloading IS a good descriptor, so I won't edit it :)

[number_6]

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.


My belief is many who are desperate find themselves watching a few youtube videos made by the usual suspects and because of the unfortunate situation they are in are sadly ready to believe anything that somebody tells them will relieve their problems. FOTL can brainwash the vulnurable pretty quickly and the "gurus" are quick to exploit the situation.

[yozhik]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=552&pictureid=6383

[rob menard]

Hey look! Larry, Curly and Moe, all chimed in one after the other!

[grenadene]

Having read through quite a few threads on here it would appear that a high majority of people who post here are under pressure from baliffs and the court systems in the form of summonses droping on the mat.

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

I heard bailiffs were invented as a direct response to freemen on the land.

[asky]

The great Rob Menard Freeman on the land supreme being has nothing to say on the subject?

asky

[rob menard]

My belief is many who are desperate find themselves watching a few youtube videos made by the usual suspects and because of the unfortunate situation they are in are sadly ready to believe anything that somebody tells them will relieve their problems. FOTL can brainwash the vulnerable pretty quickly and the "gurus" are quick to exploit the situation.


I have found most people are completely happy, until something happens that cause them to re-examine what they thought right and wrong were all about. It is not simple problems usually, but severe betrayal. Mismatched socks are a problem; people who look to this stuff have more than problems. The biggest common theme is a sense that the people in the government are self-serving at the expense of the people. Corporations has hijacked our courts and governments and people are waking up to that fact. And they do not like it. The desperation you refer to is not a function of an isolated incident in their lives, but of a growing sense of powerlessness and unimportance resulting from how the people in the government seize and exercise their power. You may not feel it. You may be part of the burden and happy being so.

You say they are sadly ready to believe anything that some guru tells them, but it is actually the opposite of that. See all their life they have been ready to believe anything the government told them, and now they are starting to question. Why can you not question the people who claim authority over you, the same way you question those who question their authority? I think I know...

I think we would all agree that people who post here do so for some reason, and since this topic is for those wishing to understand Freemanery, one must wonder why you are here so much. Clearly you have a vested interest. This means you either seek to benefit from the movement growing or the opposite. Or maybe you are an observer seeking to document it, but then you would not be able to engage the way you do, and maintain journalistic integrity.

In my book the saddest ones are those who never question the governments claim to authority. That really is the dividing line. Some have questioned and did not find the government capable or willing to give proper actions and thus the government lost their claim of authority. Some however refuse to question, and blindly accepting the position they have held their whole lives, can only ridicule those who have found the wherewithal to question. They act with arrogance and like to belittle the beliefs of others. They think they are better for no other reason then they have never questioned their political masters. And as they likely benefit from the status quo and at the expense of their fellow man, they convince themselves they are doing good, or worse, just doing their jobs, and for that reason never look at perspectives that do not on their surface support their paradigms. They are that attached to their beliefs.

What I must ask though is why some would show up here daily to try and undermine what they claim does not exist. Why fear it and if you did not why be here so often speaking against it? I do not care about NASCAR racing and consider it kinda stupid. But that does not mean I go to their forum and blast them for their beliefs. I have nothing to gain from it. However, if I was a promoter of Formula 1 Racing, and I made money by getting people to focus on my preferred racing, then there is a benefit and I may go to forms dedicated to NASCAR and ridicule those who do like it. But I would have to have some vested interest. Otherwise I would be pretty much insane. So do you have any vested interest in seeking Freemanery collapse, or are you here to see it work, or do you have no interest either way, and thus we should look at you as insane?

One cannot look at how often the detractors post here and not ask “Why?” They sure are expending an awful lot of energy towards something they claim does not exist. If it does not affect them, why the expenditure of energy? That is illogical and contrary to reason. They have to have a perceived potential payoff to expend such energy. They have to have a motive and the one they give does not ring true when you look at the energy outlay.

I bet if their identities were revealed, you would find some public servant, someone sucking on the government tit in some way, who provides services to the public and imposes them upon the public because they know what is best for their fellow man, and who will lose a considerable amount when Freemanery becomes a standard and accepted status. The babysitters do not want their charges awakening to their true potential, nor do the sitters want the awakened to find out how they have been acting whilst they slept.

That is the primary justification for doing what they do. Maybe they will say they just like to take the piss out of people. Maybe they are the type who go to construction sites and knock over walls as others try to build them. Maybe they just do it for fun. That too is easily tested. What other forums do they attend to muckrake? Is it only the Freemanery Forums? Can you not do that with knitting, baking and all other forums? Do they attend other forums to do what they do here? If not their claim that they do it for fun is lost, as that type of fun could be had on thousands of other forums. So why do it only here?

If they tell you they are doing it for fun, and can’t show where they have been having this fun elsewhere with forums that deal with other topics, THEY LIE.
If they say they have no vested interest one way or another, we can look at the energy outlay and know THEY LIE.
If they say they are here to learn and decide if they believe it or not, but refuse to ask questions of the government while demanding answers from us, THEY LIE.
If they say they are not benefitting from the status quo and refuse to properly identify themselves, then it is safe to assume THEY LIE.

number_6, asky, lightindarkenss, all this energy you put out which you cannot justify logically and reasonably tells everyone you have a hidden agenda. And that you are scared, and that we are winning. So thank you.

[asky]

Rob wrote
I do not care about NASCAR racing and consider it kinda stupid. But that does not mean I go to their forum and blast them for their beliefs. I have nothing to gain from it. However, if I was a promoter of Formula 1 Racing, and I made money by getting people to focus on my preferred racing, then there is a benefit and I may go to forms dedicated to NASCAR and ridicule those who do like it.

I like this analogy Rob and would like to put it in another way

"However, if I was a promoter of freeman on the land, and I made money by getting people to focus on my methods , then there is a benefit and I may go to forums dedicated to freeman on the land and ridicule those who do not support it"

Sound like anyone we know?

And that you are scared, and that we are winning. So thank you.

Yes I have noticed all the victories being posted on here
asky

[rob menard]

Good morning/afternoon asky,


Your point raises a fundamental question.

Why would I go to forums that support Freemanery to speak to those who do not support it? What would they be doing there? Would I not find them on a forum dedicated to whatever concepts are opposite Freemanery? And why do those forums not exist? Is it because the opposite, if unveiled would be simply unacceptable to the vast majority?

As for making money of the packages I sell, so what? Is my efforts and energy not worthy of recompense, especially when I make it all freely available to those who cannot afford to donate to support my efforts? Do you think I am getting rich or something? I promise I am not. People who buy the packages generally seem to be happy with them and say they found value, and now that I am not handling shipping they are flowing faster to the people who order them.

So if you do not want one, fine. But why try to denigrate a fair mutually beneficial exchange between two adults and imply or infer that I am a profit motivated individual because I cannot afford to print and ship packages for free to people? You focus on the sales of the physical, without mentioning the freely given items available for download on the net. Everything I sell, I first make freely available on line, and invite people who can afford to do so to buy a package to support continued efforts. How is that in anyway something you can denigrate? Especially when you have never explained HOW YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING.

But go ahead, judge me while hiding in the shadows. Or step into the light, show us your face, tell us how you earn your living, and be a man.

Rob

[asky]

Rob wrote
Is it because the opposite, if unveiled would be simply unacceptable to the vast majority?

I am sure the vast majority would love to support the "never having to pay for anything" theory of FMOTL.
I cant see many thinking it would be unacceptable can you?

asky

[rob menard]

You are avoiding a big question and trying to divert with nonsense. Freemanery does not embrace the concept of never paying for anything, and you saying so is evidence you know not of what you speak, and respectfully I ask you to see that until we do make that claim you are avoiding proper discussion making it yourself. I do not wish to argue with the strawman you are erecting. It is not my position and never has been.

Here is my question. Try to answer it and not avoid it:

Why would I go to a forum dedicated to a concept to speak to those who do not support the concept, whatever it may be?

Thank you.
Rob

[asky]

Because you have an agenda to perpetrate the myth.

Its your bread and butter.

asky

[rob menard]

Assuming that is true, why would I go to a forum dedicated to the myth, if I did not believe in it? It is not like I am going to an anti-freemanery site promoting these concepts. That is you doing that... Does that mean you must have the agenda to stop the promotion of Freemanery and one of the ways you do that is to hang out at forums dedicated to it and label it a myth?

If you label it a myth, why are you hanging around on a forum giving your energy to the myth? Why does a myth hold so much of your energy and attention? Why are you so concerned to reveal it as one? If it is a myth that will be revealed without your help or energy. But here you are day after day, and you claim it is a myth. I do not claim it is a myth and will agree I have an agenda, but it is not a hidden one, like yours seems to be.

You are taking your position and assigning it to me. This forum is dedicated to Freeman concepts. You are not here espousing them but denigrating them. It is you attending a forum concerning concepts with which you do not agree, not me. Yet if I was the one doing so, the reason would be at least according to you, is that I have an agenda and it is my bread and butter.

But all you have said is not applicable to me is it? I believe in the concepts of this forum, you do not. I have very good reason to be here, and my agenda is plain and visible. But it is applicable to you! You are the one on a forum dedicated to concepts which you do not accept. Exactly as the hypothetical situation you described. THIS MUST BE YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER AND YOU HAVE AN AGENDA!

Sicne I am calling you out, I ask you show your face, identifuy yourself and tell us all who employs you. How do you make your bread and butter asky? You have no problem opening that door for me, will you walk through it now? Or does that reveal your agenda?

I shall call you "He who hides in shadows" hope you do not mind, but until you identify your source of bread and butter and verify it, you have no credibility and are unmasked by your mask as someone with an agenda.

EDIT:
Just for clarity sake, I asked you why I would go to a forum which speaks of concepts I do not believe in and denigrate those who are there and do believe. That is not what I do, but what you do. You responded saying that the reason someone would do that is because of an agenda and it is how they make their bread and butter. I was asking about what you do, not what I do. However I knew that if I asked you why you do what you do, I would not get a straight answer, so I finessed you into answering the question, with it targeted at me, and not you. However it was always your actions I was drawing attention to. And now we know what your motives are. And you have very little wiggle room do you?

Do you claim I am here because it is my bread and butter and I have an agenda, and you do not, even though I express beliefs in these concepts and you do not, and thus can justify my energy outlay and you cannot?

[asky]

It is not like I am going to an anti-freemanery site promoting these concepts.
You went to james randis site and got blown out thats why.

Look Rob
These are internet forums provided by the PTB for our entertainment and I come here because I enjoy it.
I used to enjoy posting on TPUC but that has degenerated into a "yes I agree" forum which is now destined to tread water for eternity unless they sort out the moderation team.

I can assure you debunking this stuff is not a "job" for anyone it is like taking candy from a baby.
If you know anyone who pays people for this then let me know.
I do work for a living but I am not prepared to say what it is I do on here as some are even out to do me harm because of my posts :rolleyes:

Im glad you think I am paid to do this its a copmliment I am doing something right;)
asky

[rob menard]

I do not think you are paid to do this. I think you benefit from the status quo somehow and do not wish to see change. Having an agenda does not mean you have to get paid. And you are not that good at it. You actually suck as you just dance around and never land any punches of your own, and when they land on you, you just say that didn't hurt, even though we see you bleed.

And as you are not willing to reveal who you are or what you do, that denial of information, coupled with your stated position and inability to use logic properly, (by this I mean one logical fallacy after another) justifies believing that you have an agenda to hide the truth, and that your denigrating these concepts is just part of that agenda to hide the truth, so people see you dance and think there is something to this Freemanery stuff after all, otherwise why would these unknown people spend so much energy fighting it from the shadows?

So tell me, why do you enjoy it? Do you get off making fun of others beliefs? Seriously, I am curious as to what sort of mind enjoys creating the anger, frustration, and doubt and gets off attacking the beliefs of others. You say these beliefs are myths, if so they can't affect you or hurt you. Others believing them can't hurt you either if they are myths, so you come here out of what? Cruelty? Is that what gets you off?

I really really am curious as to what you personally get out of coming here and denigrating the beliefs and efforts of others. Do you do that in real life too, or save it for on line? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Does it last long or do you need to refresh it like other sociopathic personality types?


There has to be a reason why you would expend such energy on concepts you do not agree with. You see the harm you are causing and you are then finding joy in that. Do you not think that is a little um, off?

Care to answer WHY you enjoy causing the harm and negative feelings you do?

Thank you.
Rob

[ignoranto_bliss]

From a clueless reader .

Of course asky sucks thats why every second argument against his statement/question is a personal insult .

[rob menard]

I said he sucked at doing something specific, not that he did personally or generally.

Why is it freedom detractors and tyranny lovers can't seem to distinguish between key concepts? Maybe that is what blocks them from seeing truth?

[bones]

I said he sucked at doing something specific, not that he did personally or generally.

Why is it freedom detractors and tyranny lovers can't seem to distinguish between key concepts? Maybe that is what blocks them from seeing truth?


with the comments he posted on tpuc he does suck generally too.

i have em all on ignore so i dont have to read any of the negativity any longer. he might get bored soon if we all did the same.

[asky]

You actually suck as you just dance around and never land any punches of your own, and when they land on you, you just say that didn't hurt, even though we see you bleed.

I have never run away from a debate which is your prefered option every time you are debunked.

Care to answer WHY you enjoy causing the harm and negative feelings you do?
Rob
I am not in a position to cause anyone harm and I do not hurl insults at posters and call them a c##t which happens to me quite a lot on this forum.
As for negative feelings, if spreading a little reality around is negative then what is spreading myth and superstition and touting it as fact?

asky

[rob menard]

So if you depart a forum, because the posters are apparently mindless, like you claim you did with the TUPC? forum, it is ok. You can justify it.

But if I do it also, as I did with the RANDI forum, I am running away? Because I have been debunked?

Incidentally, I have never been debunked, I have been insulted for my beliefs. On the RANDI forum, I had hopes there would be logic and reason, but when I asked the simplest of questions in order to share my perspective, I was immediately attacked.

"Do you believe you can be governed without your consent?" I would ask.

"Your socks smell!" would be their response, and then there was a period of back slapping where the RANDI's would congratulate each other on their wit while NEVER answering one simple question.

Spreading reality around you say. Your beliefs are reality, others are myths. The only defining line being one you hold, the other you do not. Is that your position? Do you spread reality around at synagogues, temples, churches and the like? Can you not spread your reality around in your own forum? Scared no one would show up if you threw your own party?

See you do not spread reality around, as you claim, for you share no perspective, you simply attack the one presented as false, never sharing any alternative except apparently DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD.

Without referring to 'Freemanery The Myth' as you see it, what is your reality you wish to spread? Can you define it? Does it embrace equality or not?

Thank you.

Rob

[karl j]

Because you have an agenda to perpetrate the myth.

Its your bread and butter.

asky

Ahhhhh as if i didn't already know but that really explains your reason for being here

[armoured_amazon]

Having read through quite a few threads on here it would appear that a high majority of people who post here are under pressure from baliffs and the court systems in the form of summonses droping on the mat.

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

Neither.

[yozhik]

It is a valid question, asky.
What is your motivation?
If you have no interest or belief in FOTL; why do you spend so much time devoted to FOTL?

Are you employed in a 'government' or 'local authority' position or service?
Do you personally benefit from the status quo being kept undisturbed?

Valid questions.
No different to the questions regarding motive, you ask of others.

The OP as an example;
Having read through quite a few threads on here it would appear that a high majority of people who post here are under pressure from baliffs and the court systems in the form of summonses droping on the mat.

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

... questions motive and personal gain.

So ... what is your motive?
What is your personal gain?

[asky]

I enjoy it!

How many more times do I have to say it?

asky

[lesactive]

Care to answer WHY you enjoy causing the harm and negative feelings you do?

Thank you.
Rob
This deserves its own thread.

I tend to think Larry, Curly and Moe:rolleyes: believe that they have a genuine concern for those would improperly apply the 'rules of governance', as the tragic trio see them, and that through "misinterpretation" of legal© constructs people are coming to harm and influencing others to do the same. It's their civic duty, paid or not to ensure the safety of those gullible enough to think for themselves. They are the caped crusaders on a cartoon quest for covert co-intel.

These are the brave people who anonymously confront the dark forces of free inquiry and have no ulterior motives whatsoever. They're always polite, responsive, to the point on matters at hand and NEVER disrupt a thread with obtuse commentary, insults or condescension.

They're only trying to help, oppression.

[yozhik]

I enjoy it!

How many more times do I have to say it?

asky

You actually enjoy mocking people, belittling their beliefs, ridiculing their hopes, aspirations and ideologies?

Seriously?
That's enjoyable?

That is so sad, in so many ways.

[rob menard]

I enjoy it!

How many more times do I have to say it?

asky

Sadist or masochist?

[asky]

I dont mock people
I ask questions

asky

[rob menard]

You actually enjoy mocking people, belittling their beliefs, ridiculing their hopes, aspirations and ideologies?

Seriously?
That's enjoyable?

That is so sad, in so many ways.

Happy am I that I could help you see asky for what he really is. Yes believe it or not, he is motivated my sadistic pleasure. He gets off ridiculing the strongly held beliefs of others, and fully aware of the harm he causes, returns for his own enjoyment, knowing it is at the expense of others.

What a man, eh?

[rob menard]

I dont mock people
I ask questions

asky

Really? When was the last time you asked questions of the people in government and asked they prove they have the right to govern you without your consent? NEVER right?

[girlgye]

Good morning/afternoon asky,


Your point raises a fundamental question.

Why would I go to forums that support Freemanery to speak to those who do not support it? What would they be doing there? Would I not find them on a forum dedicated to whatever concepts are opposite Freemanery? And why do those forums not exist? Is it because the opposite, if unveiled would be simply unacceptable to the vast majority?

As for making money of the packages I sell, so what? Is my efforts and energy not worthy of recompense, especially when I make it all freely available to those who cannot afford to donate to support my efforts? Do you think I am getting rich or something? I promise I am not. People who buy the packages generally seem to be happy with them and say they found value, and now that I am not handling shipping they are flowing faster to the people who order them.

So if you do not want one, fine. But why try to denigrate a fair mutually beneficial exchange between two adults and imply or infer that I am a profit motivated individual because I cannot afford to print and ship packages for free to people? You focus on the sales of the physical, without mentioning the freely given items available for download on the net. Everything I sell, I first make freely available on line, and invite people who can afford to do so to buy a package to support continued efforts. How is that in anyway something you can denigrate? Especially when you have never explained HOW YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING.

But go ahead, judge me while hiding in the shadows. Or step into the light, show us your face, tell us how you earn your living, and be a man.

Rob

I can't believe he is using hackneyed Troll David Merrill arguments to detract and destroy this board.

Boring.

[asky]

Do they have a right to govern me without my consent?

I dont recall saying that.

asky

[karl j]

I really really am curious as to what you personally get out of coming here and denigrating the beliefs and efforts of others. Do you do that in real life too, or save it for on line? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Does it last long or do you need to refresh it like other sociopathic personality types?
There has to be a reason why you would expend such energy on concepts you do not agree with. You see the harm you are causing and you are then finding joy in that. Do you not think that is a little um, off?
Care to answer WHY you enjoy causing the harm and negative feelings you do?

I never understood the reason why someone with no interest in a subject would spend so much time and energy involved in it. I have asked these quesions too and have never received an answer, i have given up asking because what was the point of wasting more of my time and energy but seeing as the question is being asked again by another i will add my voice to requesting a truthful answer. And to add an opposing discussion point is not an answer...

[girlgye]

I do not think you are paid to do this. I think you benefit from the status quo somehow and do not wish to see change. Having an agenda does not mean you have to get paid. And you are not that good at it. You actually suck as you just dance around and never land any punches of your own, and when they land on you, you just say that didn't hurt, even though we see you bleed.

And as you are not willing to reveal who you are or what you do, that denial of information, coupled with your stated position and inability to use logic properly, (by this I mean one logical fallacy after another) justifies believing that you have an agenda to hide the truth, and that your denigrating these concepts is just part of that agenda to hide the truth, so people see you dance and think there is something to this Freemanery stuff after all, otherwise why would these unknown people spend so much energy fighting it from the shadows?

So tell me, why do you enjoy it? Do you get off making fun of others beliefs? Seriously, I am curious as to what sort of mind enjoys creating the anger, frustration, and doubt and gets off attacking the beliefs of others. You say these beliefs are myths, if so they can't affect you or hurt you. Others believing them can't hurt you either if they are myths, so you come here out of what? Cruelty? Is that what gets you off?

I really really am curious as to what you personally get out of coming here and denigrating the beliefs and efforts of others. Do you do that in real life too, or save it for on line? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Does it last long or do you need to refresh it like other sociopathic personality types?


There has to be a reason why you would expend such energy on concepts you do not agree with. You see the harm you are causing and you are then finding joy in that. Do you not think that is a little um, off?

Care to answer WHY you enjoy causing the harm and negative feelings you do?

Thank you.
Rob


Yes if he is working for someone they would have sacked him by now. He has made me absolutely determined to go full steam at this as he has Richard. So he is actually claiming he's trying to 'save' people when he, himself, is making the problem he thinks he has, worse.


He's a deeply unhappy man. Simple as.

[girlgye]

The saddest thing of all is joining in up to 50 other names on this board to pretend you are someone else when no one on the board can stand you any longer.

I don't doubt the same thing happened to him at school.

[asky]

How do you know Im a man?

ASKY

[karl j]

How do you know Im a man?

ASKY

30 - Love... good deflect, now answer the question truthfully, even enjoy does not answer it because it does not define your enjoyment and why you enjoy it.... still waiting Asky...!?

[rob menard]

Irrelevant. It is an assumption. And unless you are willing to clarify, one that will stand until you do.
Now back on topic asky, you sexless genderless being.

[lesactive]

I dont mock people
I ask questions

asky
I think its time for you to get a new partner;)

asky
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The great Rob Menard Freeman on the land supreme being has nothing to say on the subject?

asky
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oh right
Long term unemployed ;)

asky
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You have had your head in Mary Crofts book again :rolleyes:
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Whos God

I dont recognise his authority.
I will "stand under":D his authority only if he talks to me directly.

asky

Never mock?
Originally Posted by asky
I wont be here much longer as Im winding down

asky
I enjoy it!

How many more times do I have to say it?

asky
You are so full of it.

[girlgye]

aw hello chuckie egg.;)

Yeah concur not even a good troll.

[rob menard]

I hadnt noticed I was getting my ass handed to me

That is just one of the many things you fail to notice.

[asky]

Now thats better Rob
Trading insults

Cause no harm or loss is the theme dont forget now

asky

[yozhik]

asky ... posting a PM in a public forum?

It's not big and it's not clever.

This ...
I dont need any PMs from you Rob
Just stick to the open forums please

asky

... is all that would have been required; as a reply in the PM section.
Why air dirty laundry?

Seems to me you're trolling your own thread.

[karl j]

Now thats better Rob
Trading insults

Cause no harm or loss is the theme dont forget now

asky

Yet again refused to answer the questions and deflected the course of the thread to someone or something else....

[arty2000]

Having read through quite a few threads on here it would appear that a high majority of people who post here are under pressure from baliffs and the court systems in the form of summonses droping on the mat.

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

This land is owned by the people who inhabit it and when they grow weary of the existing government they can exercise their consitutional rights of amending it or dismember it or overthrow it...

Abraham Lincoln

Do you feel people should accept prima facie and not ask questions or explore different ways of thinking?It would seem to me in the light of developments concerning the swine flu it was good to question...would you agree?

[lesactive]

No one has derailed this thread, it's right on track and it's about motivation, we've just put the onus back on you.

[asky]

Im trolling my own thread?

I think you should read from the start.

By the way I do not need advice as to what I can post in an open forum PMs and all.

I have not given away any personal information but simply shown that Rob likes to send insults via PMs rather than out in the open which shows the character of the man.

asky

[asky]

karl wrote
Yet again refused to answer the questions and deflected the course of the thread to someone or something else....

I started a yes no dont know thread for you to be able to ask direct questions and the concept seemed to get lost on most.

asky

Its in the rant room if your interested.

[yozhik]

Im trolling my own thread?

I think you should read from the start.

By the way I do not need advice as to what I can post in an open forum PMs and all.

I have not given away any personal information but simply shown that Rob likes to send insults via PMs rather than out in the open which shows the character of the man.

asky

Done in PM instead of open?
Yes.
You're correct.
It certainly DOES show the character of the man.

Praise in public; chastise in private.

Basic 'people skills' asky.
Now back to the thread topic as highlighted by lesactive; motivation.
More specifically ... yours.

[angelthecat]

I have never been in a court room in my life, I have never seen a bailiff, I believe that being the only life form on this planet that has to pay to live on the planet that we were born on is not a sign of an intelligent life form, I am someone who believes not having a lot of pictures of the queen in your pocket should not bar you from having a worthwhile existence, being able to eat (as in Africa), having a home or having the opportunity to break out of the imposed doldrums . I believe that if someone produces 1 ton of paperwork for a living his worth is that of 1 ton of waste paper. I am someone who thinks that people should not loose their property, or lives, to heartless corporations who produce no-thing but tons of waste paper.


I am someone who believes that people should not fight politicians’, Kings or Queens wars for political gain or paper profit, I also believe that politicians, their advisors, and agents should be appointed fiduciary for the national debt in every country as he who creates liability should supply remedy [this is why I posted for the Latin translation]
latin translation (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79377)

I believe that people should be responsible for their own beliefs, and morals, without being teased away by individuals with their own derailing agenda's and unscrupulous morals and lack of empathy.

There are however a lot of people who are testing water that they never need to swim in, whether it is for notoriety or ego, I don’t know which but I am truly grateful to those individuals anyway. If we can learn from their mistakes it helps us all.
I rebut the implication that the only people who believe in freemanship are those who are in desperate need as it simple is not true. It may appear to be a majority theme but it is certainly not COMMON as suggested by the thread title.
If there was no agenda for the shrills on this forum then they would go back to watching the television and not bother writing, spending countless hours day and night on something which they don’t believe in. It only goes to prove [as if it was needed] that the movement is on the right track and closing in. These people have shown a lack of empathy all the way through this forum, proof [again if needed] that they are not here to save us from ourselves but to save themselves from the movement.
If there is no conspiracy to enslave the world then what is the cestui que vie act all about and if it is not relevant today then why was it copy written 2002 and 2008 and why where opposing politicians not at the final reading as they where apparently prevented from attending by the fire of London [maybe it was a false flag operation]
Cestui Que Vie (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/aep/1666/caep_16660011_en_1)


I am not here out of need and I am not here out of greed I am here out of want. I just want to be free

Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Someone who doesn't mock people (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87214&page) and shows no empathy

[asky]

THREAD TOPIC??

Having read through quite a few threads on here it would appear that a high majority of people who post here are under pressure from baliffs and the court systems in the form of summonses droping on the mat.

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

Now were back on topic

[yozhik]

Exactly.
Questioning motive for being here.
:rolleyes:

[karl j]

karl wrote


I started a yes no dont know thread for you to be able to ask direct questions and the concept seemed to get lost on most.

asky

Its in the rant room if your interested.

Much as you feel that was a good offer, i prefer plain questions, plain answers, straight to the point, if you want to increase you post count by answering yes, no, don't know, then i'm sorry i don't want to play your game.

[yozhik]

Are those people here to try and get rid of the issues or are the issues there as a direct result of visiting sites like these.

asky

asky ... they're here because

they enjoy it!

[karl j]

<snipped>
I am not here out of need and I am not here out of greed I am here out of want. I just want to be free

Empathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy)
Someone who doesn't mock people (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87214&page) and shows no empathy

Very good post... and backs up my claims it's not about money, it's about a lot more than that and way more important to life on this planet.

[lesactive]

Much as you feel that was a good offer, i prefer plain questions, plain answers, straight to the point, if you want to increase you post count by answering yes, no, don't know, then i'm sorry i don't want to play your game.S/he doesn't like to follow through if the outcome looks to be not in his/her favour.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101577

Apparently, asky, there's more to this thing than you presume to suggest, just accept it.

Back to your motivation: why do you enjoy it?

[saul]

I enjoy it!

How many more times do I have to say it?

asky


Sums you up nicley. You poor child, you have nothing better to do with your time execpt ridicule others for what they think is right. You remind me of someone who would have supported that "Apartheid Regime" in South Afirica; beacuse the law said so.

Who gave them authority to declare that black people are to be treated like scum? I lived in South Africa during that time, if it were not for the likes of Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko( many gave their lives for this cause) to name a few, black people in SA would still be treated like scum.

It`s easy to sit on the side line and ridicule others- eh!; now i may not believe everything that Rob or John Harris have to say, but at least they have the balls to put themselves up there, unlike you who act`s like a silly little child.

Maybe you should visit this site, more to your age.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/games/

[karl j]

S/he doesn't like to follow through if the outcome looks to be not in his/her favour.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101577

Apparently, asky, there's more to this thing than you presume to suggest, just accept it.

Back to your motivation: why do you enjoy it?

So it would seem, i lost interest in that thread before the end of page 1. So did Asky once he realised he had just agreed with you... :p

[yozhik]

Maybe you should visit this site, more to your age.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/games/

Shaun the Sheep ROCKS!

:D

[girlgye]

Good morning/afternoon asky,


Your point raises a fundamental question.

Why would I go to forums that support Freemanery to speak to those who do not support it? What would they be doing there? Would I not find them on a forum dedicated to whatever concepts are opposite Freemanery? And why do those forums not exist? Is it because the opposite, if unveiled would be simply unacceptable to the vast majority?

As for making money of the packages I sell, so what? Is my efforts and energy not worthy of recompense, especially when I make it all freely available to those who cannot afford to donate to support my efforts? Do you think I am getting rich or something? I promise I am not. People who buy the packages generally seem to be happy with them and say they found value, and now that I am not handling shipping they are flowing faster to the people who order them.

So if you do not want one, fine. But why try to denigrate a fair mutually beneficial exchange between two adults and imply or infer that I am a profit motivated individual because I cannot afford to print and ship packages for free to people? You focus on the sales of the physical, without mentioning the freely given items available for download on the net. Everything I sell, I first make freely available on line, and invite people who can afford to do so to buy a package to support continued efforts. How is that in anyway something you can denigrate? Especially when you have never explained HOW YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING.

But go ahead, judge me while hiding in the shadows. Or step into the light, show us your face, tell us how you earn your living, and be a man.

Rob


Stop justifying the fact that you have made your material workable and marketable.

Merrill on his own admission was being paid to do what he did. Ignore it.

It's not the way most of us think and I don't doubt it has improved sales.

Just make sure you get them out in time and there should be no problem. Plenty of people are charging for their research and they are not on top of that research themselves.

x

[girlgye]

S/he doesn't like to follow through if the outcome looks to be not in his/her favour.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101577

Apparently, asky, there's more to this thing than you presume to suggest, just accept it.

Back to your motivation: why do you enjoy it?

Asky is JB Jeff the racist from Oldham. He doesn't seem to remember that he admitted it.

Oh and Rob if you think this man is respectful just go to the TPUC rant room and the general section circa September 09 onwards and there you will see it's quite a nasty piece of work.

He knows for sure he is going to be banned and tracked on here so that is why he is pretending to be polite. He then comes on as someone else from a proxy server and is more viscious.

Seems to have access uncannily (I feel) to some Trojan that can hack into your computer system.

[asky]

Im a non racist from Manchester!!!!!!!!!

asky

[saul]

Shaun the Sheep ROCKS!

:D


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8399/thumbsup4kk.gif

[asky]

lesactive wrote
S/he doesn't like to follow through if the outcome looks to be not in his/her favour.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101577
I thought we were done in that thread?

Your last post didnt require any answers did it?
asky

[saul]

Seems to have access uncannily (I feel) to some Trojan that can hack into your computer system.

Would not worry abouth that GG, a trojan can only be excuted to you harddrive if you allow it. I deal with malware everday- do you want a sample http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/hells/more2/3_8_8.gif

Of course, it can exploit windows or thid-party installations- such as Java, Adobe ect. Keep things up to date and you avoid becoming infected.

[girlgye]

yes pm me. I'm putting several net cafes out of business for a day or so to.

[lesactive]

lesactive wrote

I thought we were done in that thread?

Your last post didnt require any answers did it?
asky

Actually, yes it did, and it's the same question I'm asking you in this one.

Why are you here?

It's in your sig line, it's a constant peal coming from you and yet you won't answer it except with a glib, "I enjoy it." At the very least that says to most here that this is a recreational activity for you. I don't buy it and I think I speak for many when I question your motives on this forum and I believe after so much of your niggling on here you owe us that much, or admit to recreational trolling.

[angelthecat]

I dont mock people
I ask questions

asky

I hope he isnt living under a railway arch.

asky
__________________
Why are you here?

For any idiot who feels I was off thread

[saul]

yes pm me. I'm putting several net cafes out of business for a day or so to.

PM`d you.

[asky]

It is a recreational activity its as simple as that.

I just like a little light entertainment to while away a bit of free time.
Whats so hard to understand about that.

Dont try and kid yourselves this site is anything other than that.
Do you really think that a "real" freeman would be anywhere near a site like this, he probably wouldnt even know there is an internet let alone sites like these.
Come on guys its a sub forum to a site about conspiracy theories.

asky

[is this reality]

Isn't it high time we had a vote to banish asky and be done with "it" any communication with "it" is...........unrealistic:confused:

[rob menard]

So your idea of light entertainment is to do what you do here? What do you consider serious entertainment? Do you do it elsewhere? Wanna really have some fun? Go to a Scientology, Christianity, Muslim site and make fun of the beliefs they espouse on their forums. Or NASCAR. Or a cooking forum, or firearm ownership rights, or lesbian poetry reading.

And so you know, I am a Freeman-on-the-Land with court documents to prove it. I am a real one too.

Peace eh?
Rob

PS- You come across as a child who insists there is a Santa Claus, because you believe that without that belief the presents will not end up under the tree.

In this analogy Santa Claus is a proper, de jure accountable responsive government and the presents are the societal benefits to which you cling. (Thought I would make it very simple for you.)

[girlgye]

Is this Reality remember IT's peadophile avatar just like the rest of us. :D

[karl j]

Isn't it high time we had a vote to banish asky and be done with "it" any communication with "it" is...........unrealistic:confused:

Much as i dislike the content of his posts i cannot agree that banning him is the right course of action, at least not yet, as i mentioned in other threads, point out to all those new to the forums that he is a dissenter and has no good reason to participate and ignore him, and others like him, if they happen to post good material then fine, if like 85% of it actually is crap then say it's crap and ignore and move on.

[arty2000]

It is a recreational activity its as simple as that.

I just like a little light entertainment to while away a bit of free time.
Whats so hard to understand about that.

Dont try and kid yourselves this site is anything other than that.
Do you really think that a "real" freeman would be anywhere near a site like this, he probably wouldnt even know there is an internet let alone sites like these.
Come on guys its a sub forum to a site about conspiracy theories.

asky

step outside the box...thanks to the so-called conspiracy theorists the swine flu was exposed and the man made global warming were exposed(to name but a few)for what they really are,scams...thank you Freeman/Free thinkers for expanding our perceptions of this illusionary 3d world,,if you choose to limit yourself then happy trails:)

[asky]

is this reality wrote
Isn't it high time we had a vote to banish asky and be done with "it" any communication with "it" is...........unrealistic

Well at least I got you posting in this section so its not all bad.;)

Banning, brilliant!
Anything you dont like just ban it.

asky

PS Rob have you posted your govenment documents that show you are a freeman on the land?

[rob menard]

Much as i dislike the content of his posts i cannot agree that banning him is the right course of action, at least not yet, as i mentioned in other threads, point out to all those new to the forums that he is a dissenter and has no good reason to participate and ignore him, and others like him, if they happen to post good material then fine, if like 85% of it actually is crap then say it's crap and ignore and move on.

I do not think he should be banned. He has done nothing contrary to the rules that I ever saw. And although I question his motives and true purpose here, I have never seen him (to my memory at least, though I tend to forget such things as a consequences of forgiveness) act with gross disrespect to others.

Every bag of sharp things needs a sharpening stone. Something dull and abrasive. We should be thankful for asky. No offense of course.

:P

Rob

[asky]

Non taken my little sharpening stone ;)

asky

[saul]

is this reality wrote


Well at least I got you posting in this section so its not all bad.;)

Banning, brilliant!
Anything you dont like just ban it.

asky

PS Rob have you posted your govenment documents that show you are a freeman on the land?


And why not? You have said yourself that you come here to enjoy yourself or as i would put it: to ridicule others.

You are nothing more than a silly boy who has not grown up, sure you can disagree with what is being said, but as you have said, that is not what you are hear for, is it?

[girlgye]

yes he thrives on his posts counts and being on every single post on the front page.

He drains energy out of all the main posters but luckily he can't resort to his viscious snide namecalling he does he.

He has never once posted anything of any use or substance though the sychophantic mods at TPUC say he does. He doesn't.

[lesactive]

I just like a little light entertainment to while away a bit of free time.
Whats so hard to understand about that.

Clear as a bell, quacks like a troll.

[girlgye]

sure does have a lot of free time.

[saul]

I wish i had as much free time as him, must have loads of money.

[asky]

:D

asky

[karl j]

I wish i had as much free time as him, must have loads of money.

Which is why he defends his and current governments, PTB position..:rolleyes:

[saul]

Which is why he defends his and current governments, PTB position..:rolleyes:


Nah, he`s an idiot of an enormous magintuide.

[yozhik]

Even idiots have their uses ...

[rob menard]

Then he must be enormously useful!
:D :D