is time up for Blair and his lies??

[worlds beyond]

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Memo 'shows Blair Iraq war deal with Bush'

Tony Blair denied striking a 'covert' deal with President Bush
The leader of Plaid Cymru's MPs has said he has a memo showing Tony Blair and George Bush struck a secret deal to invade Iraq a year before the 2003 war.

Elfyn Llwyd told the BBC's Straight Talk he had written to Iraq Inquiry chair Sir John Chilcot to say he would be prepared to hand the document over.

He said the memo, which is marked "Top Secret and Confidential" contradicted statements made by Mr Blair.

Mr Blair previously told the inquiry he made no "covert" deal with Mr Bush.

Mr Llwyd, who in 2004 launched a campaign to impeach the then prime minister for misleading Parliament over the war, said he could not be specific about what was in the memo, which he "believed" was American in origin.

"I've not shown it to anybody to try, because I, frankly, I didn't want to be in any position where I was accused of undermining anything that was going on at the time," he told interviewer Andrew Neil.

'Smoking gun'

He said the contents of the memo were "in direct contradiction of many, many statements by the ex-prime minister in the House of Commons, including several questions he answered to me".

Asked if he believed it could be the "smoking gun" that anti-war campaigners have been looking for, he said: "It could be".

He said the memo had "become somewhat historical" but it was relevant to the Chilcot inquiry, which was why he had written to the Iraq inquiry chairman.

Mr Llwyd added he was ready to disclose "everything he knew" to Sir John and his committee.

He told interviewer Andrew Neil that whether the inquiry quizzed him in public or private was "up to them" and he was now waiting for a reply from Sir John.

'Open position'

Witnesses to the Chilcot inquiry have suggested Mr Blair told Mr Bush at their April 2002 meeting at the ranch in Crawford, Texas, that the UK would join the Americans in a war with Iraq.

But when he appeared before the committee last week, Mr Blair said there had never been any secret about what the two men discussed in private - that Saddam Hussein had to be dealt with and "the method of doing that is open".

He told the panel: "What I was saying - I was not saying this privately incidentally, I was saying it in public - was 'we are going to be with you in confronting and dealing with this threat'.

"The one thing I was not doing was dissembling in that position. How we proceed in this is a matter that was open. The position was not a covert position, it was an open position."

Pressed on what he thought Mr Bush took from the meeting, he went further, saying: "I think what he took from that was exactly what he should have taken, which was if it came to military action because there was no way of dealing with this diplomatically, we would be with him."

[kryst]

Hmm...

I wonder what the MSM will do

[realy]

time is up for all the scumbags on high_to the crocs with them:D.

[frase]

I have noticed Blair seems to be fair game these days......Mock the week got stuck in last night and question Time was great too...Claire Short and George galloway giving it with 2 barrels.....
He is finished though, His reputation is in tatters...

[largejack]

I hope everyone's got a good solid umbrella? I think something nasty's going to fall from the sky.

[gallifrey]

On the one hand, it is easy to tar Blair with the "War Criminal" brush. I mean, we did follow the Americans into war, and it is now known that the whole WMD business was just a white wash for another agenda. It is also true that Parliament was misled. I just question whether it was intentional on Blair's part, or was he taken for a ride along with everyone else with tailored intelligence designed to fulfill this hidden (or maybe not so hidden) agenda, and drag Britain to war with Iraq. If this is the case, I sympathise with Mr. Blair, especially now, as I see him coming under fire, but George W. Bush seems to be swaggering around as if nothing has happened. And I don't see him being called to question.

[freedom1st]

I have noticed Blair seems to be fair game these days......Mock the week got stuck in last night and question Time was great too...Claire Short and George galloway giving it with 2 barrels.....
He is finished though, His reputation is in tatters...

Yeah, he must have annoyed someone high up. Either that or they no longer found him to be of any use. He deserves everything that I hope is coming to him.

[sheepy]

Let's hope that this man does not end up found dead in a wood somewhere in Wales!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8501131.stm

The leader of Plaid Cymru's MPs has said he has a memo showing Tony Blair and George Bush struck a secret deal to invade Iraq a year before the 2003 war.

Elfyn Llwyd told the BBC's Straight Talk he had written to Iraq Inquiry chair Sir John Chilcot to say he would be prepared to hand the document over.

He said the memo, which is marked "Top Secret and Confidential" contradicted statements made by Mr Blair.

Mr Blair previously told the inquiry he made no "covert" deal with Mr Bush.

Mr Llwyd, who in 2004 launched a campaign to impeach the then prime minister for misleading Parliament over the war, said he could not be specific about what was in the memo, which he "believed" was American in origin.


He said the contents of the memo were "in direct contradiction of many, many statements by the ex-prime minister in the House of Commons, including several questions he answered to me".

But when he appeared before the committee last week, Mr Blair said there had never been any secret about what the two men discussed in private - that Saddam Hussein had to be dealt with and "the method of doing that is open".

He told the panel: "What I was saying - I was not saying this privately incidentally, I was saying it in public - was 'we are going to be with you in confronting and dealing with this threat'.

"The one thing I was not doing was dissembling in that position. How we proceed in this is a matter that was open. The position was not a covert position, it was an open position."

[ginge51]

The leader of Plaid Cymru's MPs has said he has a memo showing Tony Blair and George Bush struck a secret deal to invade Iraq a year before the 2003 war.

Elfyn Llwyd told the BBC's Straight Talk he had written to Iraq Inquiry chair Sir John Chilcot to say he would be prepared to hand the document over.

He said the memo, which is marked "Top Secret and Confidential" contradicted statements made by Mr Blair.

Mr Blair previously told the inquiry he made no "covert" deal with Mr Bush.

Mr Llwyd, who in 2004 launched a campaign to impeach the then prime minister for misleading Parliament over the war, said he could not be specific about what was in the memo, which he "believed" was American in origin.

"I've not shown it to anybody to try, because I, frankly, I didn't want to be in any position where I was accused of undermining anything that was going on at the time," he told interviewer Andrew Neil.

'Smoking gun'

He said the contents of the memo were "in direct contradiction of many, many statements by the ex-prime minister in the House of Commons, including several questions he answered to me".

Asked if he believed it could be the "smoking gun" that anti-war campaigners have been looking for, he said: "It could be".

He said the memo had "become somewhat historical" but it was relevant to the Chilcot inquiry, which was why he had written to the Iraq inquiry chairman.

Mr Llwyd added he was ready to disclose "everything he knew" to Sir John and his committee.

He told interviewer Andrew Neil that whether the inquiry quizzed him in public or private was "up to them" and he was now waiting for a reply from Sir John.

'Open position'

Witnesses to the Chilcot inquiry have suggested Mr Blair told Mr Bush at their April 2002 meeting at the ranch in Crawford, Texas, that the UK would join the Americans in a war with Iraq.

But when he appeared before the committee last week, Mr Blair said there had never been any secret about what the two men discussed in private - that Saddam Hussein had to be dealt with and "the method of doing that is open".

He told the panel: "What I was saying - I was not saying this privately incidentally, I was saying it in public - was 'we are going to be with you in confronting and dealing with this threat'.

"The one thing I was not doing was dissembling in that position. How we proceed in this is a matter that was open. The position was not a covert position, it was an open position."

Pressed on what he thought Mr Bush took from the meeting, he went further, saying: "I think what he took from that was exactly what he should have taken, which was if it came to military action because there was no way of dealing with this diplomatically, we would be with him."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8501131.stm

[orderoutofchaos]

Things could get very interesting in the next few weeks regarding the Chilcot inquiry. Elfyn Llwyd Welsh MP says he has a top secret document sent to him in the post. The document is a memo from the US to Tony Blair, in it he says it contains evidence that TB struck a deal with GB to invade Iraq in 2002. He says he wants to testify to Chilcot where he will reveal whats in the document publically. He has written to Chilcot requesting this but as yet has had no reply. Lets see if they invite him to testify. He was interviewed on Straight Talk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qs391

Watch from 16mins in

If this is true TB will be destroyed.

I would advice Elfyn Llwyd to get some protection or do as many interviews as he can. This is definately one to watch.

[frase]

Things could get very interesting in the next few weeks regarding the Chilcot inquiry. Elfyn Llwyd Welsh MP says he has a top secret document sent to him in the post. The document is a memo from the US to Tony Blair, in it he says it contains evidence that TB struck a deal with GB to invade Iraq in 2002. He says he wants to testify to Chilcot where he will reveal whats in the document publically. He has written to Chilcot requesting this but as yet has had no reply. Lets see if they invite him to testify. He was interviewed on Straight Talk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qs391

Watch from 16mins in

If this is true TB will be destroyed.

I would advice Elfyn Llwyd to get some protection or do as many interviews as he can. This is definately one to watch.


I read this yesterday....Good man.....Do it for Wales.....
Let's see how much the Chilcot inquiry really want the truth......

[geezer661]

its a show inquiry they will sweep it under carpet

[uksecretcourts]

You can tell Thomas Jefferson was a welsh descendent...

He articulated our culture well.:D

If the Welsh can hang Tony Blair, we will.:D:D

[ronisron]

Getting rid of Tony Blair in any capacity amounts to nothing more than a fleabite on an elephant's backside. He would never do time in any kind of prison that we know about.

[uksecretcourts]

Getting rid of Tony Blair in any capacity amounts to nothing more than a fleabite on an elephant's backside. He would never do time in any kind of prison that we know about.


Blair is already taking legal advice before he flies to any country.

So he's not as sure as you are, that he's safe from arrest for war crimes and crimes of aggression.

[frase]

This is BIG!!!
Spread far and wide........
Make sure people know and if Chilcot ignores it then they show how fake they are....Phon ethe newspapers

[rodin]

Hhmm...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102582

[themime]

That's why it's an inquiry and not a trail. Get the bad press out the way and then full steam ahead to EU'istendom.

[ronisron]

Blair is already taking legal advice before he flies to any country.

So he's not as sure as you are, that he's safe from arrest for war crimes and crimes of aggression.

I'm not saying that he won't be arrested, just that it means next to nothing if he is. Blair is just a role player in the bigger game, it's not like he makes any real big decisions, or has any genuine power.

[uksecretcourts]

I'm not saying that he won't be arrested, just that it means next to nothing if he is. Blair is just a role player in the bigger game, it's not like he makes any real big decisions, or has any genuine power.

We need to send out a strong message - war crimes = gallows.
Hang Bush or Blair and your Obama's might think twice about war with Iran, Yemen, Pakistan.

That's all we can hope for, we, the people have to take back control of the govt. Blair lied to the country, lied to Cabinet, lied to government and the people. 1 milllion lie dead. Both the US/UK economies lie in ruins. The military industrial complex has bled the host countries as well as Iraq. Time for retribution against those who authorised the war, and those who are constantly putting us into more wars (Afghan, Pakistan).

All this has to be halted, by us, and a good President or Prime Minister hanging ought to make Parliament freeze in terror.

[freedom1st]

We need to send out a strong message - war crimes = gallows.
Hang Bush or Blair and your Obama's might think twice about war with Iran, Yemen, Pakistan.

That's all we can hope for, we, the people have to take back control of the govt. Blair lied to the country, lied to Cabinet, lied to government and the people. 1 milllion lie dead. Both the US/UK economies lie in ruins. The military industrial complex has bled the host countries as well as Iraq. Time for retribution against those who authorised the war, and those who are constantly putting us into more wars (Afghan, Pakistan).

All this has to be halted, by us, and a good President or Prime Minister hanging ought to make Parliament freeze in terror.

I agree. It may not bring down the ptb but we will be more cynical in the future with respect to the agents (prime ministers) that are put in by tptb and that will delay their plans at least.

[stelios]

why dosent the welsh boyo simply leak the document?
surely that would be Blair's method

[bealert]

I think Tony Blair is guilty of nothing more than being naive over the Iraq war..he trusted the Americans as did most of us at the time..we now know we were wrong and so was Blair...based on the info at the time he did the right thing.

[light_shiner]

why dosent the welsh boyo simply leak the document?
surely that would be Blair's method

Elwyn Llwyd is an experienced politician who will have worked out his game plan on this one with full appreciation of any likely counter measures or tactics by the people who do not want the information disclosed. He is probably operating on the basis of 'slowly, slowly catch the monkey'

[frase]

Elwyn Llwyd is an experienced politician who will have worked out his game plan on this one with full appreciation of any likely counter measures or tactics by the people who do not want the information disclosed. He is probably operating on the basis of 'slowly, slowly catch the monkey'

Indeed......He knows what he is doing..
He has tried to have Blair impeached in the past.......
Bet Tony's asshole is twitching......

[bealert]

Innocent until proved guilty..yes i think your right...

[stelios]

But slowly slowly might be too late.
Blair gave testimony and stated quite clearly that his Israeli masters had wanted Britain and the USA to attack Iran.
And the longer it takes for Blair to be tried at the Hague the more time there is for a war of agression to commence against Iran.

Blair has been outed already outed.
His family tree makes interesting reading.
Peace envoy?
Rather a case of letting the wolf loose on the sheep.

http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tony_blair_yarmulke_s.jpg

[light_shiner]

I think Tony Blair is guilty of nothing more than being naive over the Iraq war..he trusted the Americans as did most of us at the time..we now know we were wrong and so was Blair...based on the info at the time he did the right thing.
Yes indeed. Tony Blair is a good man who has displayed great integrity throughout this Iraq matter as he tried to bring relief and benefits to the people of Iraq based on his ideals of humanitarian intervention. He not only saved Iraq but the world and thankfully his heir, the noble Gordon, is also involved to be saving the world through his momentous efforts (as he likes to remind us at every opportunity). They are both working in all our interests and making a great sacrifice themselves as they face unreasonable criticism from unappreciative commentators. We should be grateful that they could depend upon the support of such upstanding citizens as Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson. These men are giants among us who we must all look up to and applaud as a display of our gratitude.

[tzlr_17]

I think Tony Blair is guilty of nothing more than being naive over the Iraq war..he trusted the Americans as did most of us at the time..we now know we were wrong and so was Blair...based on the info at the time he did the right thing.

We?

Who are you referring to?

[light_shiner]

We?

Who are you referring to?
tzir: I certainly do not think that he was including me or millions of others who could be counted as being against the war from the beginning. Where is the evidence that 'most of us' or 'we' were in support of the twin mavericks Bush and Blair who fancied themselves as a pair of gunslingers. This is a feeble attempt to rewrite history.

[gonzo75]

I think Tony Blair is guilty of nothing more than being naive over the Iraq war..he trusted the Americans as did most of us at the time...

Tony blair is not "most of us", he was, at the time, 'prime minister', it is both his job and responsibility to act based on fact NOT hearsay. And as for being 'naive', i think that when someone becomes a nations 'leader' they kind of indirectly forgo the everyday luxury of 'naivety' by default. Especially when it comes to leading your nation into war.

[gonzo75]

Yes indeed. Tony Blair is a good man who has displayed great integrity throughout this Iraq matter as he tried to bring relief and benefits to the people of Iraq based on his ideals of humanitarian intervention. He not only saved Iraq but the world and thankfully his heir, the noble Gordon, is also involved to be saving the world through his momentous efforts (as he likes to remind us at every opportunity). They are both working in all our interests and making a great sacrifice themselves as they face unreasonable criticism from unappreciative commentators. We should be grateful that they could depend upon the support of such upstanding citizens as Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson. These men are giants among us who we must all look up to and applaud as a display of our gratitude.

hahahahaha:D What a glorious nation!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

good post light shiner.:)

[uksecretcourts]

hahahahaha:D What a glorious nation!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

good post light shiner.:)

2 million of UK citizens marched to NOT go to war.
Tony Blair can't say that he had "our" support at that time, or ever.

Now, the important thing, is that the story is unfolding.

It's getting worse.

*Pakistan
*Yemen
*Afghan
*Iran


Look at Russia's nuke plans announced yesterday - join the dots folks.


Russia for nuke strikes against potential aggressors

President Dmitry Medvedev has signed country’s new military doctrine which allows preventive nuclear strikes against potential aggressors.

'The President informed the members of Russia's Security Council yesterday that he has approved two documents - the military doctrine and the Fundamentals of the state policy on nuclear deterrence until 2020,'' presidential press secretary Natalia Timakova said.
Webmaster's Commentary:

Translation: the US and Israel had better not even consider a military strike against Iran

[velma]

I think Tony Blair is guilty of nothing more than being naive over the Iraq war..he trusted the Americans as did most of us at the time..we now know we were wrong and so was Blair...based on the info at the time he did the right thing.

Blair the British neo-con

January 30, 2010

Putting Tony Blair on trial would be much too cruel. The man is ill, delusional, quite possibly to the point of madness. What he needs most of all is psychiatric help. Any doubts I might have had about that diagnosis were removed by his six-hour presentation to the Chilcot Inquiry of his reasons for joining the neo-conned “Dubya” Bush in the war on Iraq.

Without understanding why, I never thought Blair was Bush’s puppet. Now, thanks to the access Blair gave us to the workings of his mind for six hours, I do understand. He was ahead of Bush in the war on terrorism game because he is a neo-con, the real thing, whereas Bush had to be won over, conned, by America’s mad men. Blair didn’t. He was always with them in spirit. After 9/11, immediately after it, probably while the towers were still collapsing, their agenda was his agenda.

Though the Chilcot Inquiry is concerned only with Iraq – how Blair’s government made the decision to go to war and what lessons should be learned – Blair could not resist beating the drum for war on Iran. He did that four times. One might have been listening to John Bolton or any of America’s or Israel’s lunatics.

When he was going on about terrorism being a threat to all, he threw in: “It’s a constant problem for Israel. They get attacked.” That there is a cause-and-effect relationship between Israeli occupation and Israel’s frequent demonstrations of state terrorism and a degree of violence directed at the Zionist state from time to time is not something Blair the neo-con can, or ever will, get his deluded minded around.

At one point during his display of insufferable, Zionist-like self-righteousness, Blair denied he had said in an interview with the BBC’s Fern Britton that he favoured regime change in Iraq. “I didn’t use the words regime change in that interview,” he said to the Chilcot Inquiry. He was telling the truth in that he did not use those actual words. What then did he say on camera to Fern Britton on 13 December 2009? She asked him if knowing what we all know today (that Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction) would he still have gone to war. Blair replied, “I would still have thought it right to remove him. If that is not regime change, what is?!

Blair still insists that the invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein has “made the world a safer place”. The reality is that Blair and Bush together were the best recruiting sergeants for violent Islamic fundamentalism in many manifestations, not only the Al-Qaeda franchise.

Most amazing of all was that Blair declined an invitation to express any regret. He couldn’t even bring himself to say he regretted the loss of the lives of British soldiers and a great number of Iraqis (somewhere between 100,000 and 600,000), mainly civilians. To my way of thinking that makes him less than fully human.

Blair described Saddam Hussein as “a monster who threatened the world.” There’s an old English saying, “It takes one to know one.”

by Alan Hart

http://www.alanhart.net/blair-as-monster/#more-1129

[seat139]

Yes indeed. Tony Blair is a good man who has displayed great integrity throughout this Iraq matter as he tried to bring relief and benefits to the people of Iraq based on his ideals of humanitarian intervention. He not only saved Iraq but the world and thankfully his heir, the noble Gordon, is also involved to be saving the world through his momentous efforts (as he likes to remind us at every opportunity). They are both working in all our interests and making a great sacrifice themselves as they face unreasonable criticism from unappreciative commentators. We should be grateful that they could depend upon the support of such upstanding citizens as Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson. These men are giants among us who we must all look up to and applaud as a display of our gratitude.

Genius.

[geezer661]

I think Tony Blair is guilty of nothing more than being naive over the Iraq war..he trusted the Americans as did most of us at the time..we now know we were wrong and so was Blair...based on the info at the time he did the right thing.

please tell me yr joking. Tony Blair is a temple bar trained lawyer. Are you tell me he couldn't make out the difference between WMD and battle field weapons in the 45 minute claim. The mans a decieving little bastard like most lawyers are. He's a politician and a lawyer thts as low as you can get.

[gonzo75]

please tell me yr joking. Tony Blair is a temple bar trained lawyer. Are you tell me he couldn't make out the difference between WMD and battle field weapons in the 45 minute claim. The mans a decieving little bastard like most lawyers are. He's a politician and a lawyer thts as low as you can get.

word:) well said geezer:cool:

[worlds beyond]

Not heard a peep about this in News anywhere since original post.. has gone very quiet about this story since it broke....I would have thought this was BIG news given current proceedings.... hmmmm... :confused: What's really going on I wonder!?

[the white knight]

please tell me yr joking. Tony Blair is a temple bar trained lawyer. Are you tell me he couldn't make out the difference between WMD and battle field weapons in the 45 minute claim. The mans a decieving little bastard like most lawyers are. He's a politician and a lawyer thts as low as you can get.

Well said there is nothing worst than a politician come lawyer (Vulture) although aa Estate Agent come secondhand car dealer comes close.

[anthony1965]

Not heard a peep about this in News anywhere since original post.. has gone very quiet about this story since it broke....I would have thought this was BIG news given current proceedings.... hmmmm... :confused: What's really going on I wonder!?

Do you remember how Donald Rumsfeld came out with the missing pentagon trillions story on the day before 9/11?

Following 9/11, nobody asked about this any more. Except Cynthia McKinney and the alternative media.

Could it be that the Blair story is designed to be lost in the big news of the coming weeks and months?

[stelios]

Do you remember how Donald Rumsfeld came out with the missing pentago trillions story on the day before 9/11?

Following 9/11, nobody asked about this any more. Except Cynthia McKinney and the alternative media.

Could it be that the Blair story is designed to be lost in the big news of the coming weeks and months?
Very good point

[worlds beyond]

anyone heard any more news on this lately?? Or has it been burried under Brown's bullying etc?