South African flag this is amazing

[botha]

This is a look at the South African flag and things related

[botha]

RED - Blood

BLUE - For blue open sky

GREEN - For the land

BLACK - For the black people

WHITE - For the European

YELLOW - For the natural resources eg. gold

Y - Symbolizes the merging nationalities eg. unity

Although the colors have no official meaning attached to them, they represent a synopsis of the country's vexillological history and current political realities. Black, green and yellow are the colors of Nelson Mandela's political party. Moreover, the flag incorporates also the colors of the African National Congress and the former Boer republics flags (red, white, and blue). The Y shape represents the convergence of South Africa's diverse society and unity. The South African flag is basically made up of former South African flags and the past meanings of the colors were that red stands for bloodshed, blue for open blue skies, green for the land, black for the black people, white for the European people and yellow for the natural resources such as gold.

I must just say that the boer flag was orange,white and blue!!

Im having trouble posting an image of the flag :confused:

Im not racist this is just how I talk:D

After 1994 the power changed hands and it was without a rebellion. Then came quite a few changes. A lot of white South Africans left for other countries especially Australia. Is this why the blue is at the bottom, isnt open sky suppose to be at the top of a flag?? This flag was accepted 29 April 1994. Im just going to focus on the flag for now.

If you look at the flag the white is underneath the blue and red and on the outside of the green (Most of the green (land) is and was owned by whites. (Europeans).

Just think about this look closely at the flag and youll see that the black is coming out, pointing (growing,moving) towards the right and with that pushing the other colours away. I said earlier that a lot of white people emigrated can this be why the two white lines are separated, the one connected to the blue and the other to the red? If this is the case then it would make sense to connect the white with the blue for the white people emigrating. Being pushed out??

The red is for bloodshed. There has been tens of thousands of farmers killed in South Africa from farm attacks since 1994. Could it be that this is what they meant with the red??
There was a man Nicolaas Pieter Johannes “Siener” van Rensburg (August 30, 1862 – March 11, 1926) who predicted and prophesied quite a few things.
(I will put a list of everything on here later). He said there will be in the future a night of the long knives, where the black people will attack the whites after Mandela`s death. Its a plan that was passed down from the soviet union (what did shakespeare say the worlds a stage??)

The Green (land)
If you look at the flag the white is on the outside and thats whats happening here the land is being taken away from the white farmers and given to the blacks. There is a lot of land issues here.(Not as bad as Zimbabwe)

Now for the yellow. We have like any other country thats connected to the Queen a actor what we call the president and then the real power family. Ours is the Oppenheimer`s like Icke said in the biggest secret.
The yellow sits over the black like a layer. Holding it back kinda.

The black is also shaped as a triangle like the yellow showing growth and dominance

Lets look at the Y, they say its for unity but why is the whites separated? The land issue comes in to play again here.

I will post more about Uhuru and Siener later

[dawnismygoddess]

http://www.settlerssafaris.com/images/Random/south-african-flag.gif

[botha]

http://www.settlerssafaris.com/images/random/south-african-flag.gif

thank you;)

[dawnismygoddess]

Ur welcome.

If you look at it like this:
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad40/endoftheaeon33/south-african-flag.gif

the whites are really above it..

[botha]

Im glad there is someone that I can talk to about this. We have a deep connection with the freemasons from the Netherlands. The guy that discovered South Africa for the europeans was Jan van Riebeeck. Our churches is full of their symbolic symbols and not a lot of people here knows that. We even had someone in the old UN Jan Smuts. Let me post some of Siener`s predictions

[botha]

The nature of his visions invariably concerned the welfare of the Boere and Germany and were experienced by him as visual imagery to be interpreted afterwards. When the image of the Sisal plant occurred in his visions, he for instance interpreted this as a portend of an important meeting, assembly or parliament. He is believed by some to have made many accurate predictions of local events, including foretelling the death of Koos de la Rey, a general in the Second Boer War, and the political transition of South Africa after his own death. At times his visions also concerned international events, among which the start of World War I and the rise of Communism. He was unable to interpret some of his own visions. These, written down, are still open to interpretation, and believed by some to pertain to future events.

Early years

He was born in the district of Potchefstroom. He only received 20 days of formal school training and spent much of his youth as a cattle herder. At age 16 he participated in a government expedition against the rebellious tribal leader Mapog. He settled near Wolmaranstad in the then western ZAR, and married Anna Sophia Kruger in 1884.

Participation in wars

Nicolaas van Rensburg participated in the second Anglo-Boer War under General du Toit. When time allowed, he then revealed the visions to those around him. He returned to his farm before the end of the war. When the Union of South Africa came out in support of the Allied Powers in World War I, Nicolaas van Rensburg joined the rebels. The rebellion received a fatal blow even before it started, when the influential general Koos de la Rey was accidentally killed on September 15, 1914. The rebellion petered out and most rebels, van Rensburg included, were eventually captured and imprisoned for two years.

After his release Nicolaas van Rensburg returned to his farm. His daughter recorded his continuing visions up to his death at age 64. The van Rensburg family cemetery is located 11 km from Ottosdal, in the North West Province.

LIST OF PREDICTIONS

Prophecies from 1899 until his death in 1926:

Fulfilled:
* The outcome of the Boer War.
* The Great ‘Flu epidemic of 1918.
* England’s loss of all her colonies.
* Independence for Ireland.
* The atomic disaster at Chernobyl on April 26 1986.
* Lady Di’s death The divorce and tragic death of “a beautiful English Lady in a car accident who would be mourned by the whole world.”
* Civil war in Bosnia.
* Dr HF Verwoerd, former Prime Minister, will die at the hand of a close friend.
* The release of Nelson Mandela by ex-President FW de Klerk.
* The Necklace Murders by blacks against blacks
* South Africa will be governed by a black government.

Not fulfilled yet (scan the topics and read what you wish)


* Japan will be destroyed by earthquakes.


* Ethnical violence in Russia and Europe

Actually, this does seem to be in formation. Muslims in Europe already are changing the population profile. They represent a different religion and a race (Arab) within Europe. Whatever they protest about, will affect the countries they are in. I expect them to turn Europe against Israel, which has been the object of their wrath for thousands of years.

* Racial violence will explode worldwide at the turn of the century and start World War III, in which Germany and America will fight side by side.


* Laser weapons?: It is a chilling experience to read about his predictions in 1920 of this coming Third and Final War at the beginning of the 21st century when the armies of the world will use what he called “terrible electrical rays that sow death and destruction from above and below, and soak the earth in blood”.

*** This could be an EMP attack, which knocks out the electrical grid over countries.

The old prophet described the events on the battlefields of the world in such detail as though he himself had been an eye-witness.

In 1918 Rensburg prophesied:

“I see there will be a time when the whole world will be ploughed under. This will be the beginning of the Third – and last – World War and everything will be in confusion.

Then I saw a snake lying on the ploughed land. I could not see its head or tail.

Because of this decision his visions and prophecies have been preserved and have now become known throughout South Africa, and the following words are becoming part of the Afrikaner nation’s daily discussions: “‘Seer’ Van Rensburg said so….”

Seer Van Rensburg was visited frequently by prominent figures in South Africa, such as General JC Smuts, a former Prime Minister of South Africa, during his lifetime. In 1916 General Smuts, past Prime Minister of South Africa, as well as General J.B.M. Hertzog, gave witness before a Parliamentary Committee regarding the truth of this old Boer prophet’s visions.

However, the same Jan Smuts, not only prohibited distribution of the prophecies during World War 2, but when a friend of the Boer Prophet, Boy Mussmann, tried to publish them secretly, he was attacked by the police and the visions were confiscated.

Because of the controversial nature of his visions, the old Boer Prophet is today still the centre of many heated debates.

Shortly after the 1992 Referendum in South Africa, a prophecy by Van Rensburg, that a future Afrikaner leader would one day hand over power to the blacks, caused a fist-fight in Parliament.

AIDS:

After a vision on December 1917 and March 1918, he said immorality will increase throughout the world; he saw how a disease broke out in Africa as a result and mainly blacks dying from it.

It spreads throughout the world, but whites are relatively untouched by it.

He saw an old little ‘kaffir’ dressed in women’s clothing sit in Europe and droppings roll off him to the West (he is totally infected with this disease and the Western nations will also be infected).

Kaffir, kaffer or kafir, which once was a blanket term for black southern Africans (see Kaffir (historical usage in southern Africa)), is now utilized exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur. The original meaning of the word was ‘heathen‘, unbeliever or infidel, from the Arabic Kafir.

This was the first vision the Seer had which predicted worldwide decadence, immorality and pornography, also referring to a horrendous sexually transmitted disease’ as result. At that time nobody knew of the existence of Aids.

Divorce and death of Princess Diana

According to Professor A.G. Raath of the University of the Orange Free State, the Boer prophet predicted Prince Charles’ and Princess Diana’s divorce in January 1919.


The Seer said “a divorce was hanging over the head of a very renowned British lady of ‘noble birth’ (Diana). And when she dies, we prepare for a big election..”


Van Rensburg said “when he sees ripe wheat, it means an election is on the cards.” And this is exactly what happened! A few days after Princess Diana’s death on 29th August 1997, the first election shots were fired by the NP and ANC.


In three important visions in January 1916 & September 1920, he not only saw how Diana would be stripped of everything after her divorce, but that her sudden death would plunge the whole of England into mourning. He further said that there would be dirty tricks involved in her death, and that she would die in a car accident. The scandal, he said, which she brought over the Royal House was the reason she had to die. Among other things, there were rumours that Diana was expecting her Arab lover’s child and that she would marry him shortly.

South Africa

1960-1994, the South African government loses more and more grip on situations and circumstances because they ‘forgot’ their Lord and God that gave them the country in the first place.e.g.: daily opening prayer in parliament was abolished in 1972 for the sake of Muslims and Hindus.

1994 – Mr. van Rensburg correctly prophesied the release of Mr. Mandela, it’s political ties (communism) and the false and violent ‘peace’ that the man and it’s party ‘preaches’.

1994 until the death of Nelson Mandela: the era in which the Boerevolk (Afrikaners) lose their power in parliament, get persecuted, murdered and alienated from their origin/roots. note: South Africa has got with the ANC a 70% party; therefore it hardly can be called a democracy.

The death of Nelson Mandela to a new and more balanced government: right after the death of Nelson Mandela very big strikes and disobedience occur, and they followed by a local ( 3 of 7 provinces ) civil war for ground and power (eg: Zimbabwe type of actions).

These actions are however short lived; the revolt is quenched in a border town called Prieska and the people causing the revolt then are scattered. Mr. van Rensburg has prophesied that weapons will be transported over a railway line to that town; that railway has been completed last year.

During the time of that new government the Lord will return and establish His Millennial reign on the Earth, but also very big trouble will be upon the earth, and as a result many European refugees will flee to South Africa.

The second coming of the Lord being a jubilee year it’ll cause the borders of South Africa to extent beyond Zimbabwe and Namibia. Striking details in his dreams and prophecies are known, and symbols reoccurring in his visions are consistent and can be with relative ease correctly interpreted.

The World (especially England, France and USA)

America and England will become bankrupt and full of debts.

*England will be struck by 7 plagues when World War 3 is at hand.

England will be totally annihilated, even their ground will burn away as a Russian-led invasion will invade Europe, through Turkey, and use terrible weapons.

The invasion will be stopped in France by German-American forces. Mr. van Rensburg actually made a remark that Germany will receive new ‘ground-breaking’ technology from America that they (the Germans) will use to defeat the Russian invasion; the USA will be unable to respond in a timely manner because of a severe attack on their troops, ground and finances.

Mr. van Rensburg also indicated that the trouble for South Africa will be much shorter lived when compared to other countries also less troublesome, as the Lord will send His power and blessing causing South Africa to be a safe-haven for Christians from all over the world.

[spiraltrance]

Botha where did you get this info from?

I remember about 9 years ago coming across a site that gave the symbolic meaning of every flag in the world. Did you get this info from the same or similar site as it's very similar to what I remember reading about the south african flag?

I *NEVER* bookmarked the site I originaly found and have been trying to find it ever since but to no avail. Can you give the link for it please?

EDITED TYPO^^

[botha]

Botha where did you get this info from?

I remember about 9 years ago coming across a site that gave the symbolic meaning of every flag in the world. Did you get this info from the same or similar site as it's very similar to what I remember reading about the south african flag?

I bookmarked the site I originaly found and have been trying to find it ever since but to no avail. Can you give the link for it please?

Hello
This is from my own research. Im glad Im not far off!! I started looking at all the logos we have here and man we go deep into freemasonry here!!

[spiraltrance]

Hello
This is from my own research. Im glad Im not far off!! I started looking at all the logos we have here and man we go deep into freemasonry here!!

Cool keep it up :)

[botha]

http://daytranslations.com/images/South%20Africa%20-Coat_of_arms.png

The meaning of the South African Coat of Arms

South Africa’s Coat of Arms was launched on Freedom Day, 27 April 2000. The change reflected government's aim to highlight the democratic change in South Africa and a new sense of patriotism.

The central image is a secretary bird with uplifted wings. A sun, symbol of the promise of rebirth, the active faculties of reflection, knowledge, is placed between the wings of the secretary bird. Below the bird is the protea, an emblem of the beauty, a South African flower. The ears of wheat symbolizes the idea of germination, growth, fertility, while the tusks of the African elephant symbolize wisdom, steadfastness and strength. At the centre stands a shield signifying the protection of South Africans, above which are a spear and knobkierie. These assert the defence of peace rather than a posture of war. Within the shield are images of the Khoisan people, the first inhabitants of the land. The motto of the coat of arms is in the Khoisan language of the Xam people, and means "Power Through Unity"

Well well well what can we see here? This is just ridiculous!! Would like to know what you guys can see here.

[subl1minal]

Ur welcome.

If you look at it like this:
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad40/endoftheaeon33/south-african-flag.gif

the whites are really above it..

Looks like a phallic symbol too. A penis and balls. :rolleyes:

[botha]

This is a documentary of Nicolaas "Siener" van Rensburg

Nicolaas "Siener" van Rensburg Part 2 of 3 - YouTube part 1

Nicolaas "Siener" van Rensburg Part 1 of 3 - YouTube part 2

Nicolaas "Siener" van Rensburg Part 3 of 3 - YouTube part 3



I havent watch it yet so I would love to know what you guys think

thanks

[dawnismygoddess]

Looks like a phallic symbol too. A penis and balls. :rolleyes:

There's no need to be mean.

[consciousness]

The flag is crap.

It has 666 written all over it.

Colours in SA flag 6

Lines in SA flag 6

Inside corners in SA flag 6

It's the vierkleur flag of the old boernation degenerated.

Here's the vierkleur.
http://www.freewebs.com/afrikanersimbole/Images/Vierkleur.PNG


The yellow and black piercing the green, is the arrow of the ANC military wing "Umkhonto We Sizwe" meaning Spear of the Nation. It also has the ANC flag colours of yellow, black and green.

I've never supported that crap flag from the start.

[brainfreeze]

RED - Blood

BLUE - For blue open sky

GREEN - For the land

BLACK - For the black people

WHITE - For the European

YELLOW - For the natural resources eg. gold

Y - Symbolizes the merging nationalities eg. unity

Although the colors have no official meaning attached to them, they represent a synopsis of the country's vexillological history and current political realities. Black, green and yellow are the colors of Nelson Mandela's political party. Moreover, the flag incorporates also the colors of the African National Congress and the former Boer republics flags (red, white, and blue). The Y shape represents the convergence of South Africa's diverse society and unity. The South African flag is basically made up of former South African flags and the past meanings of the colors were that red stands for bloodshed, blue for open blue skies, green for the land, black for the black people, white for the European people and yellow for the natural resources such as gold.

I must just say that the boer flag was orange,white and blue!!

Im having trouble posting an image of the flag :confused:

Im not racist this is just how I talk:D

After 1994 the power changed hands and it was without a rebellion. Then came quite a few changes. A lot of white South Africans left for other countries especially Australia. Is this why the blue is at the bottom, isnt open sky suppose to be at the top of a flag?? This flag was accepted 29 April 1994. Im just going to focus on the flag for now.

If you look at the flag the white is underneath the blue and red and on the outside of the green (Most of the green (land) is and was owned by whites. (Europeans).

Just think about this look closely at the flag and youll see that the black is coming out, pointing (growing,moving) towards the right and with that pushing the other colours away. I said earlier that a lot of white people emigrated can this be why the two white lines are separated, the one connected to the blue and the other to the red? If this is the case then it would make sense to connect the white with the blue for the white people emigrating. Being pushed out??

The red is for bloodshed. There has been tens of thousands of farmers killed in South Africa from farm attacks since 1994. Could it be that this is what they meant with the red??
There was a man Nicolaas Pieter Johannes “Siener” van Rensburg (August 30, 1862 – March 11, 1926) who predicted and prophesied quite a few things.
(I will put a list of everything on here later). He said there will be in the future a night of the long knives, where the black people will attack the whites after Mandela`s death. Its a plan that was passed down from the soviet union (what did shakespeare say the worlds a stage??)

The Green (land)
If you look at the flag the white is on the outside and thats whats happening here the land is being taken away from the white farmers and given to the blacks. There is a lot of land issues here.(Not as bad as Zimbabwe)

Now for the yellow. We have like any other country thats connected to the Queen a actor what we call the president and then the real power family. Ours is the Oppenheimer`s like Icke said in the biggest secret.
The yellow sits over the black like a layer. Holding it back kinda.

The black is also shaped as a triangle like the yellow showing growth and dominance

Lets look at the Y, they say its for unity but why is the whites separated? The land issue comes in to play again here.

I will post more about Uhuru and Siener later

I follow this, have a little look....

http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2009/10/afrikaners-besieged-throughout-south.html

Uit die blu van onse hemel uit die diepte van onse sea......

[botha]

The flag is crap.

It has 666 written all over it.

Colours in SA flag 6

Lines in SA flag 6

Inside corners in SA flag 6

It's the vierkleur flag of the old boernation degenerated.

Here's the vierkleur.
http://www.freewebs.com/afrikanersimbole/Images/Vierkleur.PNG


The yellow and black piercing the green, is the arrow of the ANC military wing "Umkhonto We Sizwe" meaning Spear of the Nation. It also has the ANC flag colours of yellow, black and green.

I've never supported that crap flag from the start.

Nice well spotted. If we think we are out of danger we are very wrong.

[botha]

I follow this, have a little look....

http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2009/10/afrikaners-besieged-throughout-south.html

Uit die blu van onse hemel uit die diepte van onse sea......

You a South African?


It all makes sense to me, its a much bigger plan thats unfolding!!

[botha]

This is just a quick summary but as you can see its full of Egyptian symbols

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af312/afrikanert/SouthAfrica-Coat_of_arms1.png


As you can see i used paintbrush :)

[rich157]

Look at the feet it forms an M

& the arms form a W ??

:D

[botha]

& the arms form a W ??

:D

Yes it does this whole symbol is full of meaning W and M is big masonic letters

[consciousness]

This is just a quick summary but as you can see its full of Egyptian symbols

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af312/afrikanert/SouthAfrica-Coat_of_arms1.png


As you can see i used paintbrush :)

Brilliant! Another example of how illuminati symbolism creeps into countries.

[rich157]

Yes it does this whole symbol is full of meaning W and M is big masonic letters

Like Delta & Upsilon ?

http://www.rgle.org.uk/RGLE_HRA_York_.jpg

:D

[botha]

Like Delta & Upsilon ?

http://www.rgle.org.uk/RGLE_HRA_York_.jpg

:D

Exactly! Nice post. Look at the top left if you take away some lines and put a few in ITS THE SOUTH AFRICAN FLAG!!!

Im telling you if something happens like prophesied (Nicolaas Pieter Johannes “Siener” van Rensburg) after Mandela`s death, everything in this world is planned and staged

We are in trouble

[subl1minal]

There's no need to be mean.

Pleaaaaase. I love cock ;)

[botha]

Pleaaaaase. I love cock ;)

You dont seem very bright stop spamming my thread

[subl1minal]

You dont seem very bright stop spamming my thread

I'm not, I was just replying to someone's reply about my comment of it looking like a phallic symbol.

I'm brighter than you can imagine :)

[botha]

I'm not, I was just replying to someone's reply about my comment of it looking like a phallic symbol.

I'm brighter than you can imagine :)

Then use it, dont waist it on stupid replies. If you cant contribute rather keep quiet

[subl1minal]

This isn't YOUR thread, it's everyones thread. I did contribute and then I contributed to a comment someone made about my contribution.

I'm sorry it bothers you so badly :)

[botha]

This isn't YOUR thread, it's everyones thread. I did contribute and then I contributed to a comment someone made about my contribution.

I'm sorry it bothers you so badly :)

Are you 9?? This has nothing to do with what I want to share with people and now they have to read through this crap

[chattanova]

Found this a while ago about the Ecuadorian flag, seems they all have they're hidden meanings. . .

The Fascism Diagram


http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/2/5/kennet/f_nbf3ci34wlom_cdf2ba7.gif

The symbol of the Fasci comprises of many sticks or rods (symbolic of industries, people, nations or societies etc) being tied together. The theme being that one stick alone can be easily snapped, but many tied together tightly are unbreakable and that true strength (economically, socially, politically etc.) can be gleaned from a united nation (such as Nazi Germany) or several nations (such as the U.N. and/or the E.U.).

The symbol is incomplete however, without an axe head at the top, symbolising the elite group in control of the united power, traditionally coming in the form of a fascist dictator(ship). This is where the term Axis power emerged from during WW2. In other words the true strength (of the elite) is to have the many groups tied together in bondage with a single centralised power ruling over them (be it globally or nationally).


http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/2/5/kennet/f_kop7y350uvjm_89f4922.gif


(civic heraldry France)

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/2/5/kennet/f_mm1agx5vm9bm_19276e9.jpg

(Italian stamp)

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/2/5/kennet/f_rvtjem18bi0m_4b23838.jpg

(Knights of Columbia)

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/2/5/kennet/f_109j8istlaom_60c8ad3.gif

(one of the US national guard logos)

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/2/5/kennet/f_uuutyoifjelm_395a43d.jpg

(police emblem Norway)

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/2/5/kennet/f_133ib60feram_48258c7.jpg

(police emblem Sweden)

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/2/5/kennet/f_146lth6mk8vm_cd1fef2.jpg

[botha]

[QUOTE=chattanova;1058612329]Found this a while ago about the Ecuadorian flag, seems they all have they're hidden meanings. . .



http://jahtruth.net/seals.jpg

Nice find! Do you see a pattern here?

We are just a playground to them

[subl1minal]

http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/lincoln-memorial.jpg

[botha]

This whole planet is run by something thats getting more and more clear to me. We have all these "little" problems that keeps us focused on the side issues and behind the curtain or maybe in our face the MASTER plan is still moving forward.

I think we are in for a very bumpy ride, we need some sort of a plan. But thats just me

[subl1minal]

I guess you've not seen David Icke's most recent presentation?

[botha]

I guess you've not seen David Icke's most recent presentation?

No I havent, our internet is capped here and pretty expensive so I really cant surf to much

Whats it called??

[mythmath]

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/ripple/Fasces.jpg

http://blog.numismaticnews.net/flipside/content/binary/cm1916b.jpg

[subl1minal]

No I havent, our internet is capped here and pretty expensive so I really cant surf to much

Whats it called??

I believe it's the most recent, It's from Australia from around April 2009 time.

It's on YouTube. It's brilliant. It'd be good to have a nose at Jordan Maxwells stuff and http://vigilantcitizen.com/

Got some brilliant symbolism stuff on there.

[botha]

I believe it's the most recent, It's from Australia from around April 2009 time.

It's on YouTube. It's brilliant. It'd be good to have a nose at Jordan Maxwells stuff and http://vigilantcitizen.com/

Got some brilliant symbolism stuff on there.

Ok thanks will take a look some time. I have looked at some of Jordans stuff its pretty awesome. Take a look at my first page, read that bit about van Rensburg

[republican1795]

Just wanted to correct the erroneous assertion that the old Orange White &
Blue flag was a "Boer" flag. I understand why there is often confusion over this as the folks who ran South Africa were White Afrikaans speakers BUT the Boer people are only a SMALL portion of the White Afrikaans speaking population. When the term "Afrikaner" was deliberately imposed onto ALL of the White Afrikaans speakers during the 20th cent: it automatically marginalized the actual Boer people in the process because there are & ALWAYS were many more non-Boer descended White Afrikaans speakers in southern Africa. There is a dangerous mythology which was promoted for POLITICAL purposes in the 20th cent that the Afrikaners were descended from the Boers but that is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE! Because there were always two DISTINCT groups of White Afrikaans speakers in southern Africa. There were the pro Colonial Cape Dutch of the south western Cape region & there were the anti-Colonial Boer people of the north eastern Cape frontier. The Boers developed into a distinct people [ apart form the Cape Dutch as noted by historians like the Canadian Professor Wallace Mills ] on the north eastern Cape frontier from the late 1600s & into the 1700 while the folks at the south western Cape did not develop a sense of national identity until the LATE 19th cent when the began to call themselves Afrikaners after the language they spoke which they began to call Afrikaans in 1875. At a time when most the Boers were independent in their internationally recognized Boer Republics with some still on the Cape frontier - who would later be known as the Cape Rebels during the Anglo-Boer War for their fighting against the British & siding with the Boer Republics.

The Cape Afrikaners often tried to co-opt the Boers into the fold but most Boers often rejected it as they did not want to live under Afrikaner domination & rejected the Afrikaner's [ then ] pro British & pro Colonial outlook. The term Afrikaner was imposed on a massive political scale AFTER the second Anglo-Boer War when the Boers were too impoverished to stand up to the more affluent Afrikaners who were now colonizing their regions & insisting that all White Afrikaans speakers be called "Afrikaners". While the term Afrikaner was used sporadically in the past by some Boers it was ONLY ever meant in a geographic sense ie: they saw themselves as "Africans" & was never used in an exclusive ethnic sense until the Cape Dutch began to usurp the term & imply that both Cape Dutch & Boers were now all part of the "same" Afrikaner group when in reality the Boers were a distinct anti-Colonial / pro-independence rugged / often impoverished people who developed on the Cape frontier LONG before the Cape Dutch "discovered" a sense of identity & started calling themselves "Afrikaners" & [ much ] later Boers that designation as well. This all came to the detriment of the Boer people as their smaller numbers placed them under Afrikaner domination & the Boers were prevented from being represented by Boers & had to submit to the agenda of the Afrikaners & abandon Boer Republicanism.

The long time Boer Patriot Theuns Cloete had publicly noted that the old Orange / White & Blue flag IS NOT A BOER FLAG. That flag was a compromise flag between Boer / British & Afrikaner. The Afrikaners certainly became a coalition of Cape Dutch & some Boers in the 20th cent BUT the Boers were the JUNIOR members of such a coalition & were not allowed to reclaim their old republics as the Afrikaner establishment often prevented the Boers from reclaiming their old Boer Republics & did not let the Boers rise too high withing the ranks of Afrikanerdom save for those Boers who adopted the Afrikaner party line. The Cape Dutch Afrikaners ran the Broederbond which in turn ran the National Party which ran South Africa. Please be aware that the Afrikaners marginalized & oppressed the Boers too under Apartheid. The National Party routinely harassed & assaulted folks like Robert van Tonder who left the Nation Party in 1961 [ the SAME year that Verwoerd turned South African into a nominal & false republic ] in order to pursue the restoration of the Boer Republics. Please be aware that many Boers often had to struggle AGAINST the Afrikaner establishment & that the Afrikaner establishment has routinely broken up Boer Republican movements as the restoration of the Boer Republics would threaten the Afrikaans money power & the Afrikaner establishment who would lose their control over the mineral rich Boer Republics region. The Boers are still to this day struggling against the dominant Afrikaner money power [ who in turn partially funds the ANC regime: the latest British surrogate Colonial power in the region ] which controls the Afrikaans language media & heavily propagandizes against the Boers & Boer self determination in particular.

http://www.republicantrekkervolk.blogspot.com/2009/11/population-of-boer-nation_30.htmlPopulation of the Boer Nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iOTlIi9hMsHendrik Verwoerd was not a friend of the Boer Nation.

http://www.republicantrekkervolk.blogspot.com/2008/09/noted-distinction-of-boers-from.htmlThe Noted & Documented Distinction of Boers From Afrikaners.

I hope & pray that this information can find its way to David Icke as I am sure he will understand the dynamic at work here as the demonization campaign against the Boers has often included lumping them in with the macro Afrikaner population despite the fact that the Afrikaner establishment has historically worked - & continues to do so - AGAINST the Boer people & particularly Boer self determination. I know this can be a complex topic.

[joe2005]

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[ninny]

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not south but ghana

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[botha]

The secret meetings always allows that the power stays in the right places. If your party is going to be taken over and you know it you make sure you get insiders in the challenging party easy easy how?? MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY