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whatistruth

03-02-2010, 05:19 PM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

jamesc

03-02-2010, 05:52 PM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

Ah the old "burden of proof" trick,:rolleyes: that is the primary card in the debunkers and sceptics armourer. Not saying you are a debunker or sceptic i may add.I could at the same time demand that you show me evidence and proof that so many ex- military, intelligence and NASA personell are blurry or lying about there experiences, information or evidence they have or are presenting to suggest that UFO craft and indeed its technology have been photographed, caught on film show off world craft.

Credibility of these sources is the key here , not everything is about solid physical proof and is not always the be all and end all.

Who is to say that most UFOs are not in the sense as we understand the term and meaning "physical", its the perception that is crucial here, are these objects made off material we can only dream off, are they inter- dimensional craft that require material that is not physical as we currently understand the term in our present understanding of astro-physics but some where in-between.

Its not that ALL UFO pictures/vids ect show blurry objects that cannot show detail in the sense of its possible shape or size. Radar tracking and vids showing objects travelling at speeds that exceed the boundaries of what human pilots can take in MACKS and the technology these objects display cannot be ignored too.

There are pictures that show real structured craft, not real close up or with the ETsd home number plate on them but non the less they do show discernible objects.Once CGI or models are ruled out then its up to one to discern what these objects could be and the ET possibility should never be ruled out along with other possibilities too. :cool:

There is a danger that falling into the selective scepticism pit, one could transform into a selective sceptic and that can manipulate ones perceptions into believing that to ignore non physical evidence, (creditable sources ect),is justified because of a lack off physical,( what we know of it at the present), evidence or the perceptions of it.:cool:

elton

03-02-2010, 08:15 PM

Ah the old "burden of proof" trick,:rolleyes: that is the primary card in the debunkers and sceptics armourer. Not saying you are a debunker or sceptic i may add.I could at the same time demand that you show me evidence and proof that so many ex- military, intelligence and NASA personell are blurry or lying about there experiences, information or evidence they have or are presenting to suggest that UFO craft and indeed its technology have been photographed, caught on film show off world craft.

Credibility of these sources is the key here , not everything is about solid physical proof and is not always the be all and end all.

Who is to say that most UFOs are not in the sense as we understand the term and meaning "physical", its the perception that is crucial here, are these objects made off material we can only dream off, are they inter- dimensional craft that require material that is not physical as we currently understand the term in our present understanding of astro-physics but some where in-between.

Its not that ALL UFO pictures/vids ect show blurry objects that cannot show detail in the sense of its possible shape or size. Radar tracking and vids showing objects travelling at speeds that exceed the boundaries of what human pilots can take in MACKS and the technology these objects display cannot be ignored too.

There are pictures that show real structured craft, not real close up or with the ETsd home number plate on them but non the less they do show discernible objects.Once CGI or models are ruled out then its up to one to discern what these objects could be and the ET possibility should never be ruled out along with other possibilities too. :cool:

There is a danger that falling into the selective scepticism pit, one could transform into a selective sceptic and that can manipulate ones perceptions into believing that to ignore non physical evidence, (creditable sources ect),is justified because of a lack off physical,( what we know of it at the present), evidence or the perceptions of it.:cool:

Burden of proof is not a trick, it is legitimate to ask for evidence for any claim. I do realise this is an Icke forum so evidence is not required but that is why this forum is so amusing.

jamesc

03-02-2010, 09:23 PM

Burden of proof is not a trick, it is legitimate to ask for evidence for any claim. I do realise this is an Icke forum so evidence is not required but that is why this forum is so amusing.

Oh it can be especially as you have totally ignored the points raised in my post that explained why the burden of proof is used by sceptics to avoid answering or explaining non physical evidence that they cannot easily explain away as irrelevant.You have now shown your true colours by this statement of yours below:

" I do realise this is an Icke forum so evidence is not required but that is why this forum is so amusing." :eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::confused:

WHY are you on an ICKE FORUM IF YOU HOLD THESE VIEWS COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR US ALL TO SEE,YOU ARE EITHER A TROLL OR ARE HERE FOR A PISS TAKE.

You say quite ignorantly that evidence is not required, is that a generalisation of all topics on this forum and how far down the rabbit hole have you dared to go or do you want it all handed on a plate for you.You will find evidence if you dig deep enough but you have to sometimes earn it.:D

I would be careful in your remarks pertaining to ICKE as this is a ICKE forum and please show respect for that reality If you really think that about this forum then i see no reason WHY you are on here at all. I see that the majority of your posts are short and are sarcastic in nature and tone , "all crop formations are alien" was one little ditty of yours once on the crop circle origins thread but future posts by you seem to imply contradictionS to that view WHY, care to expand on that.

Your little short sarcastic posts like the one i am responding too are not going unnoticed or their meaning as well.:cool:;) Like i said the "burden of proof" is two fold and its not always wise to demand it on only just the physical proof of evidence.;)

relax

03-02-2010, 11:58 PM

See my avatar, last frame from Russian Phobos 2 mission, do a search for more info.

dmt head

04-02-2010, 12:11 AM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

Aliens live in YOUR Brain! :D

sm1973

04-02-2010, 12:12 AM

See my avatar, last frame from Russian Phobos 2 mission, do a search for more info.

Very good answer!
I would love to see some of the sceptics answer that one :)

Also there is a picture of a large Cigar shaped craft taken on one of the Apollo missions, I think it was posted on here recently?

iwkya

04-02-2010, 12:42 AM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

I am beside myself with confusion at the minute to understand why James bothered with replying to you :), but seeing as he took some time to I will too.

Yes indeed the old prove it trick, it does rattle many of my braincells when people ask this as they are clearly not understanding the concept, reminds me of university and those stupid "creative" students.

Ok the basic psychology goes like this. Suppose I was to see a ufo, and to my naked eye could clearly see that is it something not earthly or something we do not know of, and I whipped out my phone/camera, and tooka shot zoomed in full, so full that the camera has to resort to digital zoom (fake blowing the image up) to allow me to try and get close, but still it comes out blurley as it is too high in the sky. Then i post this, and you reply its too blury ergo it must be fake and you have used the blur to cover up us seeing what it really is.

Case 2 would be, I had a lovley 10 megapixel HD recorder, top spec with telescopic lense and x100000 optical zoom (ie I could clearly see the ppl on the moon), and i saw the same ufo. I took my cam, held it high and took the clearest shot you could possible take, so clear it would be impossible to get any clear as it is as if you are stud 5 yeards away - ok maybe 3. I post the image of the ufo that is clearly a disc shape with windows and a little grey or white alien with gleaming black eyes staring right at me, its obvious what it as its so clear. You reply back to me on the forum after you have studied it in photoshop and say " lol its obviosly a fake"- and when i am confused to why (after all, it was miles in the sky and was no trickery on my half and i know this) you would say this, you say "its obviosuly cgi or something like that.

I have put a little narrrative to this so small minded people can at least try and understand that situation. No matter what image we give in, skeptics have made their mind up before they even seen it. Its either too perfect to be real, or to blury to be real . WtF.

I once saw Bill Nye (really letting the skeptic side down btw) the "science" guy get completly owned on Larry King. He was asked what would he do if he saw a UFO, and of course this little man thought he would be clever and say " i would get a good camera and take a clear good image of it and show it to people" with a smug grin on his face as if this comment was the most intellegent one ever made. Then the guy next to him said " yea, then you would cry when everyone said it was fake". LOL..

Peace out,

audiolink

04-02-2010, 09:33 AM

Here is a pic from the Birmingham ufo video on YT.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4513/frame005aa.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/frame005aa.jpg/)

Has this been verified or not yet?
I haven't heard any more about it. Also, I have it as my desktop background too, and it does not look like something from this earth.

freethinker

04-02-2010, 10:00 AM

have you got a link to the birmingham ufo

audiolink

04-02-2010, 10:12 AM

have you got a link to the birmingham ufo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7p54DAFerg

sm1973

04-02-2010, 10:13 AM

have you got a link to the birmingham ufo

Same here, that looks a good one.

jamesc

04-02-2010, 05:00 PM

The below was taken from a UFO forum and is a response from someone replying to a poster who started a thread claiming the following headlines of his thread;

All UFO's Are Ours, Aliens Haven't Visited Ever, & Believers Are Delusional Phonies.:rolleyes:

The below text is the response i agree with and sums up the need to NOT rule out non physical evidence but to comprehend ALL EVIDENCE.

"Do you realize how much sense that doesn't make? ALL government agencies have always strived to take either a negative stance, or at best, a "completely ignore it" stance towards UFOs. What you said makes absolutely no sense." :D

"Of course, not much else of what you said makes sense either. Unlike baseballs and oranges, UFOs are a much rarer occurance, and happens typically in the sky, where there IS no way to bring solid proof, other than photos, videos, or eyewitness testimony. That IS the proof. What else are you expecting?"

"Ever read Sir Doyle, when he said ""Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.":D

"There are cases like that with UFOs. For example, a case in the 50s, where two jets chased after a UFO that was seen on radar, by the pilots, and by reliable eyewitnesses. One jet followed it out of the area, until the pilot literally said "What am I doing?".. and turned around and went back, as the UFO was easily outpacing him, almost toying with him. We had no jets that could attain this speed. If you KNOW that UFOs are not alien, then I'd appreciate you explaining in detail exactly what that was.":D;)

"If you can't explain those sorts of cases, you can't definitively claim that you KNOW UFOs do not exist (as technology that is not of our own design).";)

"The "it's super-secret technology we are testing" theory is a much too convenient excuse for anything a debunker can't explain. Nor does that excuse make sense in most of these cases, that have a lot going for them. But if you want to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better, knock yourself out.":D

Our Sun = A Star.

A Star = Planets orbiting around .The below Hubble picture , how many suns and planets in this pic, one small part our universe.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/82d1fa79acc5.jpg

Then there is this,
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

AND THIS.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And there is more.;):cool:

dreamweaver

04-02-2010, 05:15 PM

"Ever read Sir Doyle, when he said ""Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.":D

This quote from a leading writer of fiction is a huge "So what?" really.

It is routinely wheeled out as a trump card when people have little evidence to back up what they are saying. It is nothing more than an attempt to absolve oneself from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. declare that "the official account" can't stand scrutiny) and then claim this means that the wild allegation of your choice is therefore the truth.

That being said, I do have a question for the OP:

"What evidence would convince you that alien spacecraft are real?"

consciousness

04-02-2010, 05:31 PM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

Oh god, here we go again.....:rolleyes:

tinyint

04-02-2010, 05:31 PM

Here we go...

http://data5.blog.de/media/065/3231065_7cdf510b60_m.jpeg

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/KO/Nazihaunebu2.jpg

http://www.ufonet.be/UFOLAR/nazi-ufo_vril6.jpg

http://www.top10ufo.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/vril-1jager.jpg

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesf/rfz800.jpg

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesw/vril_symbol.jpg

Time to wake up.

merlincove

04-02-2010, 05:35 PM

The teather incident, youtube vid, lots of UFO's.

lobuk

04-02-2010, 05:38 PM

How about this one

http://www.ufocasebook.com/1989nashvillephotographs.html

http://i49.tinypic.com/ehgmrb.jpg

dreamweaver

04-02-2010, 05:49 PM

Does anyone have any stills or footage from the incidents over Mexico, the ones that were widely featured on TV there? I recall reading about these in the early 1990s.

hirona

04-02-2010, 05:58 PM

The teather incident, youtube vid, lots of UFO's. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I)

Looks like the traffic on 5th avenue NYC to me. :D

Thanks for sharing!

jamesc

04-02-2010, 06:38 PM

This quote from a leading writer of fiction is a huge "So what?" really.

It is routinely wheeled out as a trump card when people have little evidence to back up what they are saying. It is nothing more than an attempt to absolve oneself from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. declare that "the official account" can't stand scrutiny) and then claim this means that the wild allegation of your choice is therefore the truth.

That being said, I do have a question for the OP:

"What evidence would convince you that alien spacecraft are real?"
That quote was said by the poster challenging the OP who started the thread, i think he was implying that just because the OP was either ignoring or rejecting photos that do show UFOs in some detail he was playing him at his own game.The burden off proof was thrown back to the OP.Seems like the OP,(DEBUNKER), was trying to claimed that he has looked at every bit of UFO pictures and deemed them unsatisfactory :rolleyes:

jamesc

04-02-2010, 06:40 PM

How about this one

http://www.ufocasebook.com/1989nashvillephotographs.html

http://i49.tinypic.com/ehgmrb.jpg

Fecking awe sum picture, was this tested for CGI, if that is a real object then its possibly case solved for off world craft.

dreamweaver

04-02-2010, 06:50 PM

Fecking awe sum picture, was this tested for CGI, if that is a real object then its possibly case solved for off world craft.

Who's authenticated that one? Looks a bit "Hollywood" to me, a little too good to be true. It'll be way cool if some serious UFO researchers have verified it though.

jamesc

04-02-2010, 06:57 PM

I think that there is a new form of sceptic , the SELECTIVE SCEPTIC, one who selects pieces of evidence from a case that fit his view point but ignores those bits which do not or are harder to debunk.These bits he selects are then used to discredit or debunk ALL of the evidence including the parts he knows are harder or do not fit the finale explanation.Selective scepticism can and does breed a selective sceptic.:cool:

Love this text below written by a response to UFO sceptics-in general.:D

"When the skeptic asks for evidence it's a joke. They already believe that extraterrestrials and or extradimensional beings don't exist. Many of them will not come out and say this because they know how closed minded it will look. "

"So the skeptic will say, I'm open to the evidence. If anyone believes this, I also own a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn."

"Most skeptics are not open to the evidence. They are hostile to any evidence. This is because they start with the priori that extraterrestrial and or extradimensional beings don't exist."

"For instance, when Edgar Mitchell talked about extraterrestrials, the skeptics didn't say let's examine what he's saying. The skeptics didn't weigh the evidence. The skeptics called him a senile old man and accused him of lying. They were not interested or open to any evidence. They were only interested in trying to muddy the waters and they tried to discredit Edgar Mitchell."

"When evidence is presented, it's a kite, weather balloon, the person was mistaken or they are lying. The skeptic has already made up their mind that there has to be a "natural" explanation for these things."

"This is because they presuppose that extraterrestrial and or extradimensional beings are not "natural" explanations."

"The skeptic is not open to the evidence, they are looking to knock down the evidence."

"It's easy to knock down evidence when you just throw out any possibility and consider it as counter evidence."

"The skeptic will say:"

It's a bird:rolleyes:
It's a weather balloon :rolleyes:
It's a kite:rolleyes:
The person is lying :rolleyes:
The person is mistaken :rolleyes:
There has to be a "natural" explanation:rolleyes:
Its a CHINESE LANTERN,(ADDED BY ME:D).

"Think about how illogical this is. There will never be any evidence for most skeptics. No matter how compelling the evidence is, they can always say,"there has to be a natural explanation."

This is because the debate needs to be focused on probability not any possibility. What's the probable explanation based on the available evidence. It makes no sense to debate against any possibility. This is because any possibility can be thrown out and the skeptic will give more weight to wild speculation over the evidence.

"For instance, I'm skeptical about U.F.O. abduction cases until I examine the evidence and then my skepticism gives way to logic and reason. I then weigh the evidence within reason as to what's most likely and what's less likely."

"Some cases I see as hoaxes and others are solid evidence that supports alien abductions."

"Most skeptics will never weigh the evidence.( ESPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT DO NOT FIT IN WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS OR PENDING EXPLANATIONS), They will remain in possibility land because if all else fails they will say,"there has to be a natural explanation."

jamesc

04-02-2010, 07:01 PM

Who's authenticated that one? Looks a bit "Hollywood" to me, a little too good to be true. It'll be way cool if some serious UFO researchers have verified it though.

Yes we need to find out if it has passed CGI/HOLLYWOOD JOKERS.:D
Think i will dig deeper on this picture and see what i can come up with but you are right it will be very cool if this turns out to be the real deal.:cool:

hirona

04-02-2010, 07:24 PM

lobuk

04-02-2010, 07:26 PM

Fecking awe sum picture, was this tested for CGI, if that is a real object then its possibly case solved for off world craft.

Lots of people claim the Nashville Photo to be a Hoax. It very well could be a fake. The debunkers claimed that the Photo hadnt been tampered with but that the object was probably something in a disco with smoke and lights etc.

I guess we will never know for sure unless we actually see one :)

lyricusmagna

05-02-2010, 05:56 PM

Show me one Alien spacecraft.

Go outside and take a look at the Moon. A good look.

-Before you ask, yes, I'm fucking serious about it.

ufochick

05-02-2010, 06:34 PM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

Why should anyone bother spoon feeding you information? If you want to say no to the proof that is everywhere around you go ahead... who cares....?? I don't....

Have you had your flu shots??? LOL if not better get them quick!

chattanova

05-02-2010, 06:57 PM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

Chew on this then :cool:

N.A.S.A. STS-80 Columbia UFO Formation November 19 1996 - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxr-Os1k-v4

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6jRrxFYkU&feature=related

If you havent already, then you should watch 'Secret Space' where most of the STS UFO's have been captured.
Those are the most obvious we got, also this thread have them http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7546

Here's another classic

STS-48 UFO FOOTAGE - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVvEdPXOXg

more on this

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWnC2YxFX0

mrindigo

05-02-2010, 08:38 PM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

I'm curious as to why you're requesting proof on internet forums, and what you would do if you were presented with irrefutable proof.

A good place to start is folklore, cave paintings, and carvings. Many of the religious Renaissance era paintings have images that look eerily similar to eyewitness account of strange crafts. Some may argue that those images are open to interpretation, and for the most part I agree with that. Still, it makes one wonder where the inspiration came from. ;)

http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art/madona2.jpg

http://drywind.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/feature-ufos-art.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufojesus.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufomoses.jpg

citroen999

05-02-2010, 10:08 PM

relax

05-02-2010, 11:27 PM

Go outside and take a look at the Moon. A good look.

-Before you ask, yes, I'm fucking serious about it.

Good call. Some of the other moons in our solar system also, heres a few blatant examples

http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~astrolab/mirrors/apod_e/image/0502/iapetus_cassini_big.jpg

http://www.alienvideo.net/0805/img/iapetus/iapetus-equalateral-ridge.jpg

Seems they left the seam on show on this one (Iapetus, Saturn)

http://http://www.solarviews.com/thumb/sat/atlas2.jpg

http://jumk.de/astronomie/img/atlas-2.jpg

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/07/saturns_pan_moon.jpg

Flying saucer? Nope that'll be another moon (Atlas, Saturn)

Etc..

mrindigo

05-02-2010, 11:38 PM

Good call. Some of the other moons in our solar system also, heres a few blatant examples

Seems they left the seam on show on this one (Iapetus, Saturn)

It could be a seam, but are you sure it isn't just the remnants of a rift left over from it's early active stages when it likely had some sort of volcanic activity? It doesn't appear to have an atmosphere, so that would significantly, if not out right eliminate any possibility of gradual erosion. In the case of Earth, the process has significant effects on similar formations. I'm not saying you're wrong either, I'm just asking if you've considered alternates like this.

cinder_darkskys

06-02-2010, 12:42 AM

Hey all sup ta-day.

I love this site, its a wonderful place and site, the info here. WOW!!!!, the coolest part is the great peaples of this site.

I think the world would be much smaller place with out this site and others like it.

My name is Steven they call me Skys, Im very pleased to meet you.

Great question

What is the truth
whatistruth[/U];1058606254]Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

I do hope your on site my friend, sorry I have not read this topic posts yet, Its the question, that interested me.

reguardless of if you proved to the member, or not. I will read this post, as I do with every other topic post I write in.

over the next weeks I will reset my IMAGERY, Im sorry if this effects your topic post. I will need the space, for the nexts levels of what I will be showing, and helping other members topic's post's.
however.
I would like to ask the meber and other who have this very same question.

What would be the kind of proof, would you concide, to be kind any court of law in the world, would see as the kind, that say's tis things are facts. I meen short of a body or direct contact.

In other words, what you would concider direct contact, What would you concider as a long lasting relationship, with what you call ALIEN < racist, are we talking about a humans only club,) there is only 1 type of human,
< is it all ready predeturmented,) a intelligent speice. Has to look like a human to be < ET or a BE ). We are color coded < you dont to be a brain surgon to know this ) >Poster< I'm not trying to be meen )

but make points, based on what your asking, and what I'm prepaired to show you. and in the way im going show you.

for me this is the question ?

whatistruth? Show me one Alien spacecraft?

under these types of informations

David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > UFOs / ETs / Anunnaki / Orbs / Crop Circles / Solar System / Space >

Or would you like me to use my own informationial sorces, which would inclue the above. < will not use what you already see. )

I will read the topic fuly tonight.

PeaceLovesALL

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I did make a statment about, not going to Mars unless invited, do not claim to conquering space, Lets say your Et right, what would you be thinking about these words < conquering space ) what next us < Et humm food for mind )

See my avatar, last frame from Russian Phobos 2 mission, do a search for more info.

This need a Topic post in its self Russian Phobos 2 mission. I seen the relested, footage to this. It a warning, a very friendly warning in a very hostial solar system. every image of that mission is vip.

good point

cinder_darkskys

06-02-2010, 01:27 AM

Chew on this then :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxr-Os1k-v4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxr-Os1k-v4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6jRrxFYkU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6jRrxFYkU&feature=related

If you havent already, then you should watch 'Secret Space' where most of the STS UFO's have been captured.
Those are the most obvious we got, also this thread have them http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7546

Here's another classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVvEdPXOXg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVvEdPXOXg

more on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWnC2YxFX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWnC2YxFX0

This is another subject that need to be looked at with very clear eyes.

I would ask the poster of the old art to find biblegirl topic on ufos in history, wow you can really add to her topic, very cool, and if you hit that topic already good for you.

This event I call the teather event. it's the most important video of this time
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I cant watch the video how ever at that time US of A was deep in tp EMP cannon studdies.

If video 1 and 3 contain imagery of a flash falowed by a tailing object, which and incomming object avoids.

The math for and EMP cannon is as such, that an object beening fired, at that time, could travel at abouts, .9 the speed of light, as it was very new, there was no shielding, so the Flash at night would turn a Canadian night to dusk or dawn at 3 am. the effect would last severial second, as he light died down < Make it clearly possable to fire food or equipments to saturn, in about 9 minits.), or you could shoot at in coming Et invading Earth space. or you could shoot particals at the Ice on the sea floor, and study the effects of ice water and land efects, or you could fire this at Yellow stone an incinerate the hole planet in a massive chaineration, with just a few particle

With Emp technology it is possable to fire any size object, in space.

Cool technology uh

keep going.

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Why should anyone bother spoon feeding you information? If you want to say no to the proof that is everywhere around you go ahead... who cares....?? I don't....

Have you had your flu shots??? LOL if not better get them quick!

If we dont take the time to educate now, peaple of the Earth with lesser techno skills wont understand, whats going on.

I do agree with you, its hard to keep explaining at times.

PeaceLovesAll

tinyint

06-02-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.ufologie.net/htm/phob12.htm

Mars mission/phobos 2 - Russian scientists confirmed alien spacecraft (OFFICIAL) - YouTubehttp://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/58

http://www.youtube.com/user/ufohypotheses

Alien moon,Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon,1of3 - YouTubeAlien moon,The UFOs Seen On The Moon,2of3 - YouTubeMOON-Alien moon,Spherical UFOs and Flying Serpents,3of3 - YouTubeYouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Igor Witkowski - Interview Ã¼ber die "Glocke", Teil 1 - YouTubeIgor Witkowski - Interview Ã¼ber die "Glocke", Teil 2 - YouTube
;)

cinder_darkskys

06-02-2010, 02:00 AM

http://www.ufologie.net/htm/phob12.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_x68J3tZjY&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/58

http://www.youtube.com/user/ufohypotheses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn10Of2hPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnnEeIJQ4Wo&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jotdaXX1w2A&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVo_eIg9X3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYtzjxQOPchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUMXyf3kf4&feature=related

;)

The second I have full net access I will be all over those vids.

If you know where the Hubble UFO events are that would be very helpful

Thank you again

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I know that image, since it came out I agree with you on that tinyint:S

Rgr tat ;s bax@u. I know that imagery, it keeps getting bigger, not unusal in its self as most likely commen market.

What puzzels me about the image is the generalized effects in the light and misting, also its dark. Alike the movie is self you refferancing.

The beemer look to the ship

The biblical look to the imagery adanced ufos hunters can relate this imagery to 3 or 4 older well known works.

now the puzzeling part, in my youth, a group of friends and I were walk in the snow in a school yard. No one said they saw anything, ever to my knowage. We just walk by this object as if it was not there. How ever, the whole time the object was there, there were like huge flashing lights, they move out slower then, light dose normaly, like a sweeping sphere effect. It's a very cool effect, I think this image kind of showed this, but there so many lights and colors, it never did seem right to me.

now it hold all the things, that make up, the things I look for, when clasifing ships

Pro's
Bibical times , seen history < ify ), seen history doing these types of things < seems )

I think this image kind of shows this effect

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metacomet I try to fallow his topic and post, I can't post to every topic, just as I cant fight every battle, but I can choise my battles. In his case we seem to be walking the same way.

PeaceLoves all

These things don't have to be seen, if you do your ment to. when they are seen they want to be reconized. what good would an unknown object be.

With the full footage, and pulling images, if its real, could even be ID, and its mission, and much more.

Ranging of shooting whats going on in the full footage could be very telling, it would a lot work.

tinyint

06-02-2010, 02:04 AM

The second I have full net access I will be all over those vids.

If you know where the Hubble UFO events are that would be very helpful

Thank you again

I unfortunately do not know.

I will look out for them.

I highly recommend Igor Witkowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia & J.P.Farrell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Farrell)... the vids of them are just to get into the matter. Their books are the jewels to understand 'UFO'.

You can also go to my youtube channel... you'll find the address in my profile-->contact info ;)

tinyint

06-02-2010, 02:20 AM

How about this one

http://www.ufocasebook.com/1989nashvillephotographs.html

http://i49.tinypic.com/ehgmrb.jpg

http://www.klangundkleid.ch/img/dvd/covers/CDR26501.jpg

:confused:

jesusistruth

06-02-2010, 02:31 AM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95740

tinyint

06-02-2010, 11:05 AM

Jim Marrs : The Rise of the Fourth Reich - IUFOC 2009 - YouTube

Dr. Joseph Farrell : The Bell, Bormann and Bariloche - IUFOC 2009 - YouTube

chattanova

06-02-2010, 02:40 PM

6000 BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/2/6/kennet/f_qcwxisepyvhm_56079d7.jpg

Two cave paintings from Tanzania. Both are estimated to be up to 29,000 years old. The one on the left is located in Itolo and depicts several disc shaped objects. The other painting is from Kolo shows four entities surrounding a women. Notice also the entity looking down from inside some sort of box or object.

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/2/6/kennet/f_qcwxjrybi6vm_960fdb4.jpg

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/2/6/kennet/f_qcwxjrybi6vm_2990cf2.jpg

mrindigo

06-02-2010, 04:12 PM

Good stuff there, chattanova!

majorlee

08-02-2010, 12:25 AM

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

lyricusmagna

08-02-2010, 11:24 AM

Good call. Some of the other moons in our solar system also, heres a few blatant examples

Flying saucer? Nope that'll be another moon (Atlas, Saturn)

Etc..

Well, David Icke's Reppies use moon-like objects to travel around in space. That's why I said he should take a good look at the Moon. The older cultures also talk of a time in the past where there was no Moon at all. So where did it came from? Anyway, nice pictures, thanks for posting.

thirdwave

08-02-2010, 11:59 AM

Not blurry photos like the shots of big foot, show me one video of something that is clearly not from this earth.

Aliens may be real, but I have not seen any evidence of them.

Russian UFO Crash - YouTube

jamesc

08-02-2010, 01:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQH7qJDgcpc

Here is an update on this vid.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Russian Roswell

CLOSE [X]
A UFO crash site allegedly filmed by the Russian KGB in March of 1969 in the Sverdlovsk region of Russia. The footage was later obtained by documentary filmmakers who then published the movie, "The Secret KGB UFO Files" A film expert noted in the documentary that the film came in an old Soviet film can and the numbers on the films header matched the cans they came in. The header of the film has More..the crest of the KGB on it and the term for TOP SECRET. An autopsy of the alleged pilot of the UFO is seen in the documentary film.

Soviet doctors examine the burned torso of the entity and it is revealed that the three doctors died one week later all from cerebral hemorrhages. Death certificates are presented as proof. Several KGB documents are produced to prove the film is authentic. Some have put forth the argument that an American Production crew filmed the footage in March 1998.:rolleyes: These claims are put forth on web sites claiming to know the truth about this footage. To date they have failed to show even one current photo of any of the soldiers in it. Yet no one has produced witnesses verifying this claim.:rolleyes:

comment from someone who watched this vid;

"I was a us army officer for ten years...of this I am totally certain...the soldiers march like real soldiers in a perfect yet relaxed manner! (paid actors either march like shit or like overly stiff robots in the war movies) saucer is very small either only one pilot ...or a crew of munchkins...this was not made by hollywood!/milwaukee".

jamesc

08-02-2010, 01:53 PM

Twelve Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously.
Brilliant summary on the proof that very respected and credible sources within governmental intelligences have and do take this UFO subject very seriously indeed.No one is laughing at these sources, that is the reason these kind of documents and the sources they emanate from are played low key.:cool:

Whenever anyone questions the belief in UFO's I always make sure I raise cases such as these. Quite often it shocks people who have little knowledge of these issues just how serious the Government has taken the issue of UFO's, and they start to question why they have never heard about them before.

I'm sure a lot of you will know of these cases quite well, but this is for those who don't or those who wish to know more.

Since belief in UFOs is a near-professional suicide in most respected circles,:D what would it mean if we discovered that, within the classified world, people have taken it seriously for years?

It just so happens that they have. They do.:cool:

1. The 1947 Twining Memo

For good reason, this is one of the most important UFO documents we have. On September 23, 1947, right at the beginning of the “modern” UFO era, General Nathan Twining, Head of the U.S. Air Material Command (AMC), wrote a classified letter to Air Force General George Schulgen regarding the “flying discs.” He said the objects were “real and not visionary or fictitious.” They may possibly be natural phenomena, he wrote, such as meteors. But:

“the reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted ... lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically, or remotely.”

2. 1949 FBI Memo

In my own opinion, this three-page document is just as extraordinary as the Twining Memo. On January 31, 1949, the FBI issued a memo on UFOs, entitled “Protection of Vital Installations.” The classified document was sent to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, the Army’s G-2, the Office of Naval Intelligence, and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. It mentions a meeting among these groups concerning UFOs.

Here is a key statement of the document:

“Army intelligence has recently said that “the matter of ‘Unidentified Aircraft’ or ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,’ otherwise known as ‘Flying Discs,’ ‘Flying Saucers,’ and ‘Balls of Fire,’ is considered top secret by intelligence officers of both the Army and the Air Forces.”

3. 1951 USAF Intelligence Report

This report describes a rather up-close and personal UFO encounter on July 9, 1951, by the pilot of an F-51 fighter plane from Lawson Air Force Base in Georgia. The pilot, a combat veteran from World War Two, provided quite a bit of detail, which was recorded in the report.

“Object described as flat on top and bottom and appearing from a front view to have rounded edges and slightly beveled. From view as object dived from top of plane was completely round and spinning in clockwise direction.... Object did not appear to be aluminum. Only 1 object observed. Solar white. No vapor trails or exhaust or visible system of propulsion. Described as traveling [at] tremendous speed....Pilot states object was 300 to 400 feet from plane and appeared to be 10 to 15 feet in diameter....Pilot states he felt disturbance in the air described as ‘bump’ when object passed under plane....Pilot is considered by associates to be highly reliable, of mature judgement and a creditable observer.”

4. The Chadwell Memo of December 2, 1952

1952 was an important year in the history of the UFO. Across the United States, the number of sightings skyrocketed, and several of these were well-documented encounters by military personnel. At the end of July, the Air Force held a press conference explaining that, although some of these reports remained unexplained, there was no evidence they were alien craft. Within the classified world, matters were not so serene.

H. Marshall Chadwell was the CIA’s Director of Scientific Intelligence, and very much interested in this problem. In this memo, addressed to the CIA Director, General Walter Bedell Smith, Chadwell wrote:

“At this time, the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention.... Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and travelling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”

5. 1954 Maxwell AFB Emergency Report

Throughout the 1950s, the air space violations kept on coming. This report (headed “Emergency”) originated from the flight service center at Maxwell Air Force Base, and was sent to the Commander of Air Defense Command (ADC) in Colorado.

The report describes the entry into airspace of a “strange stationary object variable in brilliance” which moved rapidly, then returned to its original position. The base sent a helicopter to investigate. The pilot’s assessment: “definitely not a star.” Many people watched this object from the tower, and a civilian tower radioed that it also had it in sight. The object became dimmer, showed a slight red glow, and disappeared.

6. Intrusion at Minot Air Force Base, 1966

A large UFO wave took place across the U.S. during the mid-1960s. This caused a good deal of publicity, congressional interest, and the eventual study of UFOs by the University of Colorado in the hopes of settling the matter once and for all. Although the Colorado Committee was supposed to have full access to classified UFO reports, in practice it received very little to go on, and instead conducted a number of ad hoc investigations of sightings as they became known.

According to the official report:

“When the team was about ten miles from the landing site, static disrupted radio contact with them. Five to eight minutes later, the glow diminished, and the UFO took off. Another UFO was visually sighted and confirmed by radar. The one that was first sighted passed beneath the second. Radar also confirmed this. The first made for altitude toward the north, and the second seemed to disappear with the glow of red.”

7. Malmstrom AFB 1967

Early in the morning on the March 16, 1967 at Malmstrom AFB in Montana, occurred one of the most extraordinary events in the history of military-UFO encounters. Under a clear and dark Montana sky, an airman with the Oscar Flight Launch Control Center (LCC) saw a star-like object zigzagging high above him. Soon, a larger and closer light also appeared, and acted in similar fashion. The airman called his NCO, and the two men watched the lights streak through the sky, maneuvering in impossible ways. The NCO phoned his commander, Lieutenant Robert Salas, who was below ground in the launch control center. “Great,” Salas said. “You just keep watching them and let me know if they get any closer.”

8. Wurtsmith Air Force Base, 1975

During October and November of 1975, another extraordinary series of air space violations took place, this time across the length of the U.S. northern border, involving several military bases from Montana to Maine. Air space incursions also took place through much of 1976. All are unexplained to this day in any conventional sense.

On the evening of October 31, 1975 at Wurtsmith AFB in Michigan, an airman saw what appeared to be running lights of a low flying craft, possibly a helicopter, near the southern perimeter of the base, heading westerly. One light pointed down; two red lights were near the back. The object was either silent or very quiet.

9. The Amazing Encounter over Tehran in 1976

On the night of September 18, 1976, the Iranian Air Force was involved in one of the most dramatic UFO events in modern history. Not only was the case itself extraordinary, but so was the documentation: namely, a four-page U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report.

The strangeness began after 10:30 p.m. on September 18, when the control tower at Mehrabad Airport received calls about an unknown object hovering at 1,000 feet in the northern section of Teheran. The tower supervisor observed the object with binoculars, describing it as rectangular or cylindrical. In his words, “the two ends were pulsating with a whitish blue color. Around the mid-section was this small red light that kept going in a circle.... I was amazed.”

10. The 1981 Halt Memo

The Rendlesham Forest incident remains among the most important UFO cases ever. It involved a landing of an unknown craft near two Air Bases in Britain, was witnessed by many U.S. military personnel, and is supported by military documentation. In addition, the area held a large stock of nuclear weapons, a fact that was denied by authorities for years, then admitted to be true. The case remains controversial, however, because proponents have not agreed on certain key details, and other critics have claimed it has wholly prosaic explanations. Moreover, confusion has plagued the case in matters so simple as the exact dates when it occurred.

thirdwave

08-02-2010, 02:35 PM

Here is an update on this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7AMArf0_Wo

Russian Roswell

CLOSE [X]
A UFO crash site allegedly filmed by the Russian KGB in March of 1969 in the Sverdlovsk region of Russia. The footage was later obtained by documentary filmmakers who then published the movie, "The Secret KGB UFO Files" A film expert noted in the documentary that the film came in an old Soviet film can and the numbers on the films header matched the cans they came in. The header of the film has More..the crest of the KGB on it and the term for TOP SECRET. An autopsy of the alleged pilot of the UFO is seen in the documentary film.

Soviet doctors examine the burned torso of the entity and it is revealed that the three doctors died one week later all from cerebral hemorrhages. Death certificates are presented as proof. Several KGB documents are produced to prove the film is authentic. Some have put forth the argument that an American Production crew filmed the footage in March 1998.:rolleyes: These claims are put forth on web sites claiming to know the truth about this footage. To date they have failed to show even one current photo of any of the soldiers in it. Yet no one has produced witnesses verifying this claim.:rolleyes:

comment from someone who watched this vid;

"I was a us army officer for ten years...of this I am totally certain...the soldiers march like real soldiers in a perfect yet relaxed manner! (paid actors either march like shit or like overly stiff robots in the war movies) saucer is very small either only one pilot ...or a crew of munchkins...this was not made by hollywood!/milwaukee".

It makes me laugh how people think an american crew would all go out and get 60s Russian military suits.... Russian Jeeps, create a fake Crashed UFO, go into the countryside and film it and not even sell it.

Well if these people do exists, then if their aim is to make fun of people, they should take a look at them selves. :)

I think this footage is real... whether it was ETEs flying it or not is another matter... it was proven however that one of the film crew were filming behind the UFO and in some of the wreckage and it was pointed out that this footage has not been released... though it must have existed..

jamesc

08-02-2010, 06:23 PM

It makes me laugh how people think an american crew would all go out and get 60s Russian military suits.... Russian Jeeps, create a fake Crashed UFO, go into the countryside and film it and not even sell it.

Well if these people do exists, then if their aim is to make fun of people, they should take a look at them selves. :)

I think this footage is real... whether it was ETEs flying it or not is another matter... it was proven however that one of the film crew were filming behind the UFO and in some of the wreckage and it was pointed out that this footage has not been released... though it must have existed..

Yes i agree, while scepticism in general can be healthy sometimes and can help or aid investigations to rule out fakes and hoaxes or those that wish to fake and hoax with the sole intention of making money, disinformation tactics or just taking the piss.

Your summary of how people can buy the "American crew would all go out and get 60s Russian military suits" is scepticism in its highly negative and blinkered form.The authenticity of this film has been shown by several researchers to stand up to various scrutiny's and is original footage by the Russian KGB in March of 1969 and not as the debunkers claim footage from 1998.

jamesc

09-02-2010, 01:30 PM

PROJECT 1947

A CATALOGUE OF AUSTRALIAN OBSERVATIONS OF UFOS
FROM AIRCRAFT CREW MEMBERS AND PASSENGERS
Compiled and copyright © 2005 by Keith Basterfield
PO Box 786, North Adelaide, South Australia 5006

Updated 15 May 2005

This catalogue collects, in one place, summaries of reported observations of UFOs by aircraft crews, air traffic controllers or airline passengers within or from Australia. It has been prepared by combing the files of Australian UFO research groups, their magazines and Journals, and the files of the RAAF.
The format for each summary is firstly a catalogue reference number, then date, location and time of event.

The case abstract is followed by a reference section. The original source/investigator of the case is presented first. If there is a widely available published version of the event this may also be given. In some cases a group's case reference number may be given. No attempt has been made to provide all published references to a specific case. Where the case was located in RAAF files and the RAAF cited their explanation, this is provided inside [ ].

If the reader requires further information on a particular case they should contact the original source directly.
Acknowledgement
I would like to acknowledge the work of the large number of Australian UFO researchers, who over the years, have investigated and published details on the reports which are summarised in this catalogue. One or more sources are cited for each report.

THE CATALOGUE

1944 Bass Strait
Mr T. R. H. Royal was piloting a Beaufort bomber over Bass Strait when a dark "shadow" appeared alongside and kept pace for eighteen to twenty minutes. The object seemed to have a flickering light, and belched flames from its rear end. It maintained a distance of thirty to fifty meters from the aircraft before accelerating away. During the event all radio and direction finding equipment is said to have malfunctioned.
(The Australian Saucer Record, 1957. 3(1):16.)

The Disclosure Australia Project's researcher in Canberra went to the National Archives and obtained permission to inspect Mr Royal's personal service records. These records indicated that he was with No 1 O.T.U. (Operational Training Unit) in early February 1944. However, there was no record of his name in the Squadron Dairies or any indication that he had flown over Bass Straight. He was a Non-Commissioned Officer Pilot.

The only mention of his name was when he was with No. 8 SQN in September 1945 where he flew his first sortie on the 30 September 1945 on an unarmed reconnaissance mission over the Sepic River area in Papua New Guinea. This information came from the RAAF Historical Records, Russell Offices in Canberra.
(Disclosure Australia Project Newsletter, 12 April 2004)

7 Feb 1951 East Sale Vic 2330hrs 2.5mins 1M Mackenzie
Air to air visual sighting by Flt lt A E Mackenzie of a brilliant light.
(p168 of RAAF file B5758 5/6/Air part 1)

14 Aug 1952 Townsville Qld 1200hrs 1M Scott
Letter from chief test pilot W. Scott C.A.F. reporting that on 14/8/52 while flying to Townsville at 35,000 feet at 1200hrs. He saw a large incandescent light below him. Six to ten smaller lights came from the large light surrounded it then all lights disappeared. Duration one minute.
(RAAF file B5758 5/6/Air part 1)

Ca. Jul 1952 Near Sydney NSW 2300hrs
Captain Bob Jackson of ANA, with more than 8000 flying hours, was flying near Worinora Dam when he suddenly saw a flash of light. He watched an object with an orange tail flash past towards the coast. Air Traffic Control did not have any radar contact with the object. About two minutes later the object re-appeared, circled the aircraft, and then vanished towards the coast.
(Melbourne Sun, Jan 5, 1954.)

Prior to 1953 Canberra ACT
TAA pilot Gordon Savage and First Officer F.E. Hastilow sighted a very powerful bright white light to the east of their aircraft. At fifteen second intervals it changed to red. Savage climbed the plane to 5000 feet for a better look. Savage later believed they had been observing the planet Venus but Hastilow disagreed.
(Australasian Post, Dec 31 1953. p10.)

1953 Mackay Qld
Captain B. L. Jones is reported to have seen an object over Mackay. His report was confirmed by observers at the Mackay control tower. All described the object as having a transparent "glass dome."
(Melbourne Sun, Jan 5 1954)

14 Oct 1953 Essendon Vic 1910hrs 2mins 1M Taylor
Captain Taylor, ANA pilot based at Essendon reports a visual air to air sighting of a moving white light.
(pp165-166 of RAAF file B5758 5/6/Air part 1)

Jul 1954 Lubek Vic 1 min 1M Roberts
Civilian pilot Roberts while flying to Lubeck saw a bright red light that disappeared to the north. No other aircraft reported in the vicinity.
(RAAF file B5758 5/6/Air part 1 p79.)

31 Aug 1954 Goulburn NSW
Lt O'Farrell was flying a Sea Fury aircraft, and noticed a very bright light closing fast from the "1 o'clock" position. The light crossed ahead of him, and continued to a position on his port beam where it appeared to orbit. At the same time he noticed a second and similar light at "nine o'clock" which made a pass ahead of him and then turned in the position where the first light had been sighted.

The pilot contacted Nowra radar who confirmed they had 3 echoes on screen. The two bright lights reformed at "nine o'clock" and disappeared on a north-easterly heading.
(1. Australian National Archives file number MP926/1 Control Symbol 3079/101/1 titled Unidentified Objects (Flying Saucers sighted by Navy Pilot over Goulburn.)
2. Chalker, W. (1982). APRO Bulletin 30(10):7.)

12 November 1957 Springwood NSW 0100hrs 5mins 1M Griggs NO
RAAF pilot saw apparent vapour trail at 30 degrees W. Apparently going S to N. Object disappeared towards northern horizon. Cloudless sky. Full Moon present. "A 360 degree turn appeared to have been executed towards the north west." No known aircraft in area.
(Pages 40-43 on digital copy of RAAF file 580/1/1 part 1)

12 October 1959 Wonthaggi 1940hrs 1sec 1wit M Jackson NL
Brilliant flash in W sky seen from ANA aircraft on way Launceston to Melbourne. 35 degree elevation decreasing to 25 degrees. Bearing 310 degrees from aircraft, and disappeared at 285 degrees.
(Pages 109-111 on digital copy of RAAF file 580/1/1 part 2)

Just a few reports from this link on AUSTRALIAN OBSERVATIONS OF UFOS
FROM AIRCRAFT CREW MEMBERS AND PASSENGERS.:cool:

http://www.project1947.com/kbcat/kbair0505.htm

Then there are more on the American reports.

link, http://www.narcap.org/reports/008/TR8Bias1.htm

Aviation Safety in America:
Under-Reporting Bias of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Recommended Solutions

Ted Roe
Executive Director

National Aviation Reporting Center
on Anomalous Phenomena

Version 2

July 20, 2004
Copyright NARCAP 2004

[Part 1] [Part 2] [Part 3]

This below statement from this site is to me the smoking gun and WHY so many commercial and military pilots and airline cabin crews do NOT come forward with their sightings.There have been a few commercial airline pilots who have felt concerned enough and with courage to speak out about their sightings who have paid with the loss of their jobs.

"Military pilots are supported by post-mission debriefings as well as specific radars that continually examine their activities and occasionally capture the presence of UAP. In turn, these observations are protected from public scrutiny by secrecy oaths taken by military officers and enlisted men. Even so, through the Freedom of Information Act some of these incidents and observations have become public record. This information seldom travels directly back to the aviation safety planning community." :mad::cool:

cinder_darkskys

10-02-2010, 08:46 AM

Smile

PeaceLovesAll

chocolateharpist

11-02-2010, 05:37 AM

TBF, saying 'Ah! The old 'Burden of Proof' trick' is, in itself, a tricky way out of actually answering.

I don;t think there's anything wrong with asking for 'imperical' proof.

metacomet

11-02-2010, 05:48 AM

The teather incident, youtube vid, lots of UFO's. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I)

Doesn't get any better than NASA footage.

P.S. Nice troll thread :rolleyes:

orage

11-02-2010, 06:06 AM

jamesc

11-02-2010, 10:01 AM

TBF, saying 'Ah! The old 'Burden of Proof' trick' is, in itself, a tricky way out of actually answering.

I don;t think there's anything wrong with asking for 'imperical' proof.

Well taking aside the"tit" for "tat" burden of proof demands the question was "show me proof of an alien space craft", that question in its self is suggesting that ALL photos and some vids that do appear to show unknown objects backed up with freedom of information releases on radar traces and tracking are not proof in some form or another.

There are quite a few pictures of objects that are discernible but if they are shown to be or thought to be not explainable as aircraft,mis- identifications or military air craft or anything terrestrial then the ET explanation has to be included as well.Yes there is nothing wrong in asking for 'imperical' proof but also proof is also a matter of personal view points too.One could look at any picture of anything a not all people will either see or agree what they personally can see.Proof does not always come in the physical form i tend to think.:cool:

thirdwave

11-02-2010, 10:30 AM

Yes i agree, while scepticism in general can be healthy sometimes and can help or aid investigations to rule out fakes and hoaxes or those that wish to fake and hoax with the sole intention of making money, disinformation tactics or just taking the piss.

Your summary of how people can buy the "American crew would all go out and get 60s Russian military suits" is scepticism in its highly negative and blinkered form.The authenticity of this film has been shown by several researchers to stand up to various scrutiny's and is original footage by the Russian KGB in March of 1969 and not as the debunkers claim footage from 1998.

Yes I think you must remain sceptical but also eager to be open minded...

I find with most "sceptics and none believers" they like to point out when people are too easily convinced and in some cases yes they might be right, but they are just as bad on the other side of the coin, in that they are not willing to have an open mind and will only believe if it is put on a plate..

Well if there is a controlled hand behind the UFO/ETE thing then it wont be put on a plate, and if it is then one would be foolish to take everything they then say as gospel anyway.

I think the main mental stumbling block people have with ETE's is why it is so distant.... Why we do not have them land and come and say Hi...... Why over so many years it has been able to be viewed a mythical... why would all ETEs remain so distant and secretive... or not harm us already.... or save us already...

these are the things.

So for me there are answers to this...

First of all we mjst put our selves in the position of them...

Lets say we send off 5 UFOs to another planet outside of this solar system. And they find this planet and see that there is much conflict and war there, the we are not going to want to bomb it down there, to a probable death, We would first try to contact the leaders of the most powerful force and test the waters.... we would then decide if we should come on board, leave, or observe.

If we were more powerful then that planet and could rule it, we would also want to use our intelligence to control it and not create a shit storm, as we would understand the way those people thought and worked... So we would not need to go in gung ho...

point is, is it really easy for another race of being to land in another planet? maybe if that planet were evolved enough or extreamily uninvolved, if not then it would not really be a fruitful exercise,..

Then we can say well why so long? ... why so many thousands of years and still no conclusion.

Well, maybe there has been, there is certain evidence that shows that such visits have come to pass... and we also know that powers through the ages have oppressed much knowledge... There are ancient accounts of UFOs and "gods from the sky" .... all kinds of stories..

Such things like Gods.... Demons.... Devils.... so and son, have very much been seen as real in the past... seeing a "God" was a reality in past times... or seeing a Demon.. so on...

It is only as time as passed and the technological world we live in has grown and become more of the core of society that such things are mythical or unrealistic...

The question is why are we facing a time where such huge focus on this stuff has come about, no its not the first time we have looked to the skys for inspiration and insight.... but there is definitely a huge movement doing so in these times.

I guess those who think we are completely free do find it hard to believe, but those who can see the chains put in place around humanity and see the intense control the elite have of pretty much everything, are more open minded...

deca

11-02-2010, 10:46 AM

TBF, saying 'Ah! The old 'Burden of Proof' trick' is, in itself, a tricky way out of actually answering.

I don;t think there's anything wrong with asking for 'imperical' proof.

that's the difference from believing and knowing , or have i missed something?

tinyint

11-02-2010, 11:07 AM

Looking forward to this one. Babylon’s Banksters: The Alchemy of Deep Physics, High Finance, and Ancient Religion out April 2010
Thanky you, sounds very interesting. :)
Do you know the Author? Ahh... I' google it.
Edit: Author J.P.Farrell :rolleyes::eek::)

The Indologist William Clarendon, who has written down a detailed description of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus, ‘Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in a most marvelous manner.

Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft) develops thunder-power through the mercury. It is also added that this success of an Indian scientist was not liked by the Imperial rulers.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vimanas/esp_vimanas_9.htm
The Bell rings!!! Red Mercury... I find a strange parallel in recent Star Trek (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

The romulans use a red substance to create a black hole, and they time travelled, in short summary.

You know these guys have at least two plans going at the same time, left hand and right hand paths. About 2/3 through with the Bell; it's fascinating reading. The alternate physics model makes so much sense, specially in light of artifacts from across cultures around the world.

Yes, indeed.

In the Vedic literature of India, there are many descriptions of flying machines that are generally called vimanas. These fall into two categories: (l) manmade craft that resemble airplanes and fly with the aid of birdlike wings, and (2) unstreamlined structures that fly in a mysterious manner and are generally not made by human beings. The machines in category (l) are described mainly in medieval, secular Sanskrit works dealing with architecture, automata, military siege engines, and other mechanical contrivances. Those in category (2) are described in ancient works such as the Rg Veda, the Maha-bha-rata, the Rama-yana, and the Pura-nas. In addition, there is one book entitled Vaima-nika-sa-stra that was dictated in trance during this century and purports to be a transcription of an ancient work preserved in the akashic record. This document gives an elaborate description of vimanas of both categories.
In this chapter, I will survey some of the available literature on vimanas, beginning with the texts dating from late antiquity and the medieval period. The latter material is described in some detail by V. Raghavan in an article entitled "Yantras or Mechanical Contrivances in Ancient India." I will begin by discussing the Indian lore regarding machines in general and then turn to flying machines.

http://www.main.org/polycosmos/glxywest/vimanas.htm
Here, some artifacts and remains of hints...

http://uforc.com/genesis/images/Rukma_vimana_vertical2.jpghttp://www.hottnez.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/avionescol02_09.jpghttp://www.ceticismoaberto.com/imagens2/jato1.jpghttp://www.hottnez.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/untitled-15.jpghttp://www.raumbrueder.de/aa-2.jpg

jamesc

11-02-2010, 05:39 PM

Yes I think you must remain sceptical but also eager to be open minded...

I find with most "sceptics and none believers" they like to point out when people are too easily convinced and in some cases yes they might be right, but they are just as bad on the other side of the coin, in that they are not willing to have an open mind and will only believe if it is put on a plate..

Well if there is a controlled hand behind the UFO/ETE thing then it wont be put on a plate, and if it is then one would be foolish to take everything they then say as gospel anyway.

I think the main mental stumbling block people have with ETE's is why it is so distant.... Why we do not have them land and come and say Hi...... Why over so many years it has been able to be viewed a mythical... why would all ETEs remain so distant and secretive... or not harm us already.... or save us already...

these are the things.

So for me there are answers to this...

First of all we mjst put our selves in the position of them...

Lets say we send off 5 UFOs to another planet outside of this solar system. And they find this planet and see that there is much conflict and war there, the we are not going to want to bomb it down there, to a probable death, We would first try to contact the leaders of the most powerful force and test the waters.... we would then decide if we should come on board, leave, or observe.

If we were more powerful then that planet and could rule it, we would also want to use our intelligence to control it and not create a shit storm, as we would understand the way those people thought and worked... So we would not need to go in gung ho...

point is, is it really easy for another race of being to land in another planet? maybe if that planet were evolved enough or extreamily uninvolved, if not then it would not really be a fruitful exercise,..

Then we can say well why so long? ... why so many thousands of years and still no conclusion.

Well, maybe there has been, there is certain evidence that shows that such visits have come to pass... and we also know that powers through the ages have oppressed much knowledge... There are ancient accounts of UFOs and "gods from the sky" .... all kinds of stories..

Such things like Gods.... Demons.... Devils.... so and son, have very much been seen as real in the past... seeing a "God" was a reality in past times... or seeing a Demon.. so on...

It is only as time as passed and the technological world we live in has grown and become more of the core of society that such things are mythical or unrealistic...

The question is why are we facing a time where such huge focus on this stuff has come about, no its not the first time we have looked to the skys for inspiration and insight.... but there is definitely a huge movement doing so in these times.

I guess those who think we are completely free do find it hard to believe, but those who can see the chains put in place around humanity and see the intense control the elite have of pretty much everything, are more open minded...

Totally agree with your above summary Thirdwave, open mindedness is the key here, their are always extremists on both sides of the debate, the trick is i think is to keep the questions open and not be manipulated by both sides of the extremities.Manipulations of our perceptions that form beliefs or opinions can come in many forms, the filter system that can act or aid in the detection of the low frequency and deliberate manipulations can be the open-minded who refuse to be manipulated by either sides of the extremists.

macneil

12-02-2010, 02:45 AM

Hessdalen Project 1 of 5

UFO Hessdalen Norway Clip 1 - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm7YRCXFHVE

chocolateharpist

12-02-2010, 02:51 AM

that's the difference from believing and knowing , or have i missed something?

And there's the rub.

I think the problem faced by a lot of believers is the people who say "This is complete and utter proof that X exists. I know this for a fact"

Unfortunately, these are the people branded as nutters who then drag the rest of us down with them.

Surely, unless a person can provide actual hard evidence that can be examined by independent parties, then saying "I believe that X exists" is the logical and natural way to communicate.

kerttu

12-02-2010, 09:26 PM

Real UFO Landing Canada - YouTube