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jagalman
22-09-2007, 10:59 PM
Islam has nothing to do with terrorism period!

By Abdullah Celt Islam

Whosoever kills an innocent human being, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. ( Al Quraan - 5:32)

Asalaamualaykum [peace be upon to you ]

Most Muslims stand against terroism and are very out spoken about it , but what you can see is that the media tends to brush them aside in order to justify the war on a so called noun {terrorism }.

I have no doubt in my mind that terrorism is used by people for political gains as in the case of USA UK and Iraqi insurgents , but when you hear nothing but words like Islamist ,Islamism, Islamic fundamentalist, Islamic terrorism,or Islamic radical it does beg one to think what is the real message here.

So as far as I am concerned, "radical Islam" or " Islamic terrorist" is a contradiction in terms.

It is not possible to be a true Muslim and simultaneously a violent terrorist. The Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said that a Muslim is the one from whose tongue and whose hand you are safe.

It is absolutely necessary to scrutinise the terminology and words we use: As you must be well aware of a certain fact , "spectrum of radicalization" is not an Islamic concept. It is a concept which is alien to Islam and the existence view of Muslims.

The Qur'an does not talk of "moderates" and "radicals", but of "muminun" { belivers } and "kafirun" { disbelivers } – of those who accept and those who reject divine guidance.

The Qur'an identifies the kafirun { disbelivers } as "the people of the left" and the muminun { belivers } as "the people of the right".

The term "radicalization" derives from the word "radical" which used to refer to the root or source of a matter, but which is now usually used to identify some form or other of extremism. It is usually the concept or label used by those who wish to target or isolate specific groups, whether Muslims or non-Muslims, who are perceived as imagined or potential threats to the currently dominant status quo which endorses and supports the disguised, unelected and therefore undeniably undemocratic, ruling banking elite, the 200 or 300 or so families who control 90% of the world's wealth.

Since the original revelations of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, may Allah bless them and grant them peace, all categorically forbid the practice of usury and interest based economy, anyone who wishes to abide by this divine prohibition is automatically labelled as "radical" both by the bankers and by the politicians and organisations who support them.

Ask yourself this? what kind of person spends his or her life trying to come up with the most efficient technological means of exterminating large numbers of people as swiftly as possible? What kind of person makes their living not only by producing these weapons but also by selling them to both sides of any conflict?

What kind of person is prepared not only to buy these weapons but also to use them? What kind of person does not care who they kill or how they kill or why they kill? Can they be described as real human beings? I think not.

It has long been apparent, however, at least to those who are not taken in by the politicians' predictably scripted misleading rhetoric, that the current offensive in the Middle East is not simply concerned with securing control of oil reserves in the region.

The invasions, occupations and annihilation of local populations only fully make sense in the context of what practical measures have to be taken in order to fulfil the Zionist dream of a Greater Eretz that stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates, since if this dream is to be realised then it follows that all those opposed to it or who might be opposed to it have to be neutralised.

Lets look at the current radical and terrifying so called "war on terror" is that if there is a radical response to this offensive, whether in the region itself or further afield, then this is the direct result of the current implementation of American Zionist foreign policy in the Middle East .

When a people come under attack, fighting back in self-defence is a natural response. Every legal system recognises this. Those who identify with the attackers assist the attackers. Those who identify with the attacked assist the attacked. That's life. How people actually behave, how they act and react in this chain reaction is another matter.

What we can see now is that in the course of this so-called "war on terror" countless innocent non-combatant civilians have been caught up in the conflict and have suffered as a result, losing their liberty, their property, their well being and almost as often as not their lives, to such an extent that the repercussions have been felt far beyond the theatre of war.

Look, for example, at what has happened in the United States since the twin towers attack in 2001, at how many innocent Arabs and Muslims and even people who look like Arabs or Muslims have had their basic human rights violated simply on the basis of "suspicion" which under current legislation does not even have to be reasonable. Of course when the authorities are criticised for these injustices, the blame is laid at the feet of "the radicals", but for whom it is alleged, these draconian measures would not have been necessary.

The Sufi's say , "If you persist in anything, you will arrive at the truth of the matter." – May you persist in your research until you do, remembering always that the ocean of existence is a mirror in which you see your self – and that whoever knows their self, knows their Lord. Peace

Ma salaam, Abdullah Celt Islam.

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lifeofbrian
22-09-2007, 11:16 PM
It doesn't matter anymore, jagalman. It doesn't matter what you, james777, bigus dickus, Mr Snoop, or anybody else with in-depth knowledge says anymore. I can say the Yahweh Myth started in Sumeria, way before anyone ever thought of or imagined something called 'Yahweh' - will that change the mind of Mr Snoop? Hardly. Same with all the religious sheople. It is called brainwashing.

The Powers That Be understood that some would wake up to the scam. So they gave us 'alternative faiths'. Same crap. Saviours, aliens, Gods.

The real New Poison says: Stop Thinking For Yourself.

Human beings have two options:

Give up your ego/religion - and live. Find love with and in other people.

Keep up the ego-game/religion - and die. Try to be more than you are and rot in hell.



Religions have poisoned this wonderful planet for eons.

When will the thirst for blood/£ be quenched?


Replace religion with politics, teaching, dogma, doctrine, faith, anything carved in stone by a massive ego on a crusade against his/any hurt on demand.

Turn away, shut your doors, close your ears and open your eyes.

Shamans worldwide say it best: People dance hypnotized to the tune of their own death. The tune is called speech.

megafish33
22-09-2007, 11:36 PM
Neither does Judaism or Christianity. They write nice stuff in their books too... oh wait...

adimon
23-09-2007, 01:23 AM
It doesn't matter anymore, jagalman. It doesn't matter what you, james777, bigus dickus, Mr Snoop, or anybody else with in-depth knowledge says anymore. I can say the Yahweh Myth started in Sumeria, way before anyone ever thought of or imagined something called 'Yahweh' - will that change the mind of Mr Snoop? Hardly. Same with all the religious sheople. It is called brainwashing.

The Powers That Be understood that some would wake up to the scam. So they gave us 'alternative faiths'. Same crap. Saviours, aliens, Gods.

The real New Poison says: Stop Thinking For Yourself.

Human beings have two options:

Give up your ego/religion - and live. Find love with and in other people.

Keep up the ego-game/religion - and die. Try to be more than you are and rot in hell.



Religions have poisoned this wonderful planet for eons.

When will the thirst for blood/£ be quenched?


Replace religion with politics, teaching, dogma, doctrine, faith, anything carved in stone by a massive ego on a crusade against his/any hurt on demand.

Turn away, shut your doors, close your ears and open your eyes.

Shamans worldwide say it best: People dance hypnotized to the tune of their own death. The tune is called speech.

Wow, I have to say that's probably the single best post I've read.

If you haven't thought about it before, you should write something. Epic.

My fullest gratitude. :)

horus21
23-09-2007, 01:55 AM
Really - I Thought It Was A Religion For Terrorism
?????

i_am
23-09-2007, 02:11 AM
Really - I Thought It Was A Religion For Terrorism
?????


There are fanatics in every religion.


I would call what is happening in Iraq, by so-called Christians, terrorism.

freedomnonfighter
23-09-2007, 02:18 AM
I saw a bumper sticker on the way to the UF protest that read:
"The Taliban lives inside every kind of Fundamentalist"
Or was it fanatic? Either one, can't remember.

herebynightfall
23-09-2007, 02:30 AM
Muslim = Conformity to Practice Love
Judaism + Christianity(+ branches) = Conformity to Practice Love
Buddhism = Conformity to Practice Love

But what's with the worship?
And the fact that religious law is not to be fucked with.
Or changed!

Just accept our world as a nice place.
Don't praise what's here and physical.
Understand the nature of this, minus the television set.

Get off your lazy butts and get fit yall.
Pump the blood around your body, so it can accomidate what is tryng to squeeze in (your entire soul) , but there is not enough capacity until you stretch, and allow your body to flow with water based blood.

And know.

somewarez
23-09-2007, 02:38 AM
Jagalman!

Perfect in every word and thought

couldnt say it any better or any more understood than what you said , Thank you :)

horus21
23-09-2007, 02:47 AM
Muslim = Conformity to Practice Love
Judaism + Christianity(+ branches) = Conformity to Practice Love
Buddhism = Conformity to Practice Love

But what's with the worship?
And the fact that religious law is not to be fucked with.
Or changed!

Just accept our world as a nice place.
Don't praise what's here and physical.
Understand the nature of this, minus the television set.

Get off your lazy butts and get fit yall.
Pump the blood around your body, so it can accomidate what is tryng to squeeze in (your entire soul) , but there is not enough capacity until you stretch, and allow your body to flow with water based blood.

And know.

Religion in its simplest form, is the only human divider which is subconsciously accepted by man, by which in reality... Does not exist at all.
Copyright Horus 2007

megafish33
23-09-2007, 05:04 AM
Religion in its simplest form, is the only human divider which is subconsciously accepted by man, by which in reality... Does not exist at all.
Copyright Horus 2007

I like it! Too bad it's copyright lol :D

father ted
23-09-2007, 08:53 AM
Just a quick mention to all the non-american speaking readers, period means full stop.

megafish33
23-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Just a quick mention to all the non-american speaking readers, period means full stop.

:D Preach father, preach!

(but american isn't a language)

father ted
23-09-2007, 11:35 AM
:D Preach father, preach!

(but american isn't a language)


I shall preach. They are making american a language; NAU, ect.

Did you know, when americans say: I'm "pissed", they actually mean: I'm "angry"...?

Jagalman, you are right, Islam has to do with mind controll. Why can't they have a war on mind controll.

ilponn
23-09-2007, 01:19 PM
Drinkkkkk :)

eternal_spirit
23-09-2007, 01:53 PM
I shall preach. They are making american a language; NAU, ect

Did you know, when americans say: I'm "pissed", they actually mean: I'm "angry"...?

Jagalman, you are right, Islam has to do with mind controll. Why can't they have a war on mind controll.

.............

Why do Americans twist the English Language it's the way they spell some words. Pissed is slang = means drunk as in alcohol But isn't that illegal in some muslim countries.

Religion is the cause of much suffering, division, waste of time. It's a bit of a statement saying there are no Muslim terrorists. They can't all be innocent surely?

eternal_spirit
23-09-2007, 01:55 PM
Watching American films when I was a kid used to wonder why one of the actors would say I'm pissed no I'm really pissed.

father ted
23-09-2007, 02:20 PM
I used to wonder why they said period all the time, I mean, what's that got to do with a dot. <

I'm sure there are Islam terrorists, but that was all planned somewhere along the line.

horus21
23-09-2007, 02:39 PM
I used to wonder why they said period all the time, I mean, what's that got to do with a dot. <

I'm sure there are Islam terrorists, but that was all planned somewhere along the line.

No teddy bear, Islam is a beautiful religion which is an art of submission to God.

No where in Islam, is there anything apart from loving, understanding, respect, faith and peace of mind.

You should either accept this fact and in turn RESPECT Islam as a beautiful creation for the guidance of mankind, or never mention and think about it again. For somebody who tarnishes the name of something which is all beautiful like the practices and foundations of Islam has no place nor right to be in the presence of even the term used to describe such submission and devotion to OUR creator, Allah.

blue
10-10-2007, 10:46 AM
well, yes islam has nothing to do with terrorism. but with the emergence of taliban, al qaeda, osama being linked to 9/11, militants in pakistan & srinagar people think that terrorism and islam go hand in hand. media has done a good job in projecting islam as a religion which encourages terror. people who watch these news channels are left to believe this. they see that a muslim suicide bomber blew himself, which makes their belief even stronger. the biggest problem this religion is facing now is TERRORISM. its causing a bad name and muslims all over the world are trying so hard to tell that "islam has nothing to do with terrorism period".

lottie
10-10-2007, 11:15 AM
All terrorism is to do with is....THE GOVERNMENT!

megafish33
11-10-2007, 05:27 AM
All terrorism is to do with is....THE GOVERNMENT!

lottie, what do the most powerful nation's governments use to collect the herds and incite what they want at will? "Terrorism," or, "freedom-fighting." They use religion do they not? I live in the "West" and can see the extremist attitude of the majority of people, because they believe in a cult developed by a Jewish Palestinian thousands of years ago. In the mid-east, same story, trust me, been there. You're correct about the government being the controlling arm of terrorism world wide, but you cannot deny the use of the violent aspects of, so-called peaceful religions, as one of their key players in the brainwashing dept.

lottie
11-10-2007, 06:13 AM
lottie, what do the most powerful nation's governments use to collect the herds and incite what they want at will? "Terrorism," or, "freedom-fighting." They use religion do they not? I live in the "West" and can see the extremist attitude of the majority of people, because they believe in a cult developed by a Jewish Palestinian thousands of years ago. In the mid-east, same story, trust me, been there. You're correct about the government being the controlling arm of terrorism world wide, but you cannot deny the use of the violent aspects of, so-called peaceful religions, as one of their key players in the brainwashing dept.

Oh yes i concur my dear fellow!! ;)

Just behind all that....at the top....the hidden hand....infact religion is probably far more powerful than the gov!! :)

real6
12-10-2007, 03:25 PM
Religion is a brainwash machine they use to control the masses!!!
People with low self esteem believe in religion because they cant believe in themselves!!!

SIMPLE AS THAT!!!

herebynightfall
12-10-2007, 05:53 PM
Religion is a brainwash machine they use to control the masses!!!
People with low self esteem believe in religion because they cant believe in themselves!!!

SIMPLE AS THAT!!!

mhm and people just have to deal with that fact.

not that there aren't great practices out there.
meditation, mysticism (parts), yoga, faith in oneself, and faith in the earth and sun, faith in humanity (and all nature)

adimon
13-10-2007, 03:16 AM
Re: Islam has nothing to do with terrorism period

Hmmm....who were the guys being so nice to Israeli athletes in 1972 then?

megafish33
13-10-2007, 09:41 AM
Re: Islam has nothing to do with terrorism period

Hmmm....who were the guys being so nice to Israeli athletes in 1972 then?

Hmmmm... can you say Fatah? (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_munich.php) ;)

Praise be to allah... :rolleyes:

real6
15-10-2007, 03:16 PM
mhm and people just have to deal with that fact.

not that there aren't great practices out there.
meditation, mysticism (parts), yoga, faith in oneself, and faith in the earth and sun, faith in humanity (and all nature)

I totally agree with you there. like yoga and all that stuff. u know what i mean, but religion in general. i dont count meditation, mysticism (parts), yoga, faith in oneself, and faith in the earth and sun, faith in humanity (and all nature) because i see that as a life lesson.