How did we become awakened and others not ?

[consciousness]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

[passing]

Who is we?
How about you go first...?

[consciousness]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

[blackster]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

I like the way you think :D good theory that :)

[hypha]

You are not awake if you believe your language to be real. you are asleep and under control of every word that goes through your mind. being awake is not about the amount of knowledge you have or wisdom. remembering/awakening is not about memory. it is about letting go and being what is not possible in words or symbols for we are the source of our problems and you will always find the answer in the question, we are the question. x

[armoured_amazon]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

I think we were destined to be before we were born and realised we were.

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

I missed this :o

You put it better than me. +1!

[hypha]

Remember what Einstein said; "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" I know people like their quotes on here. Awakening to realise you will never find the solution from the sounds, images in the mind, dreams, astral projection and or anything we create. you must "be" to realise, only "be". the word be is not enough, it's too much. there must be nothing left inside to realise. there are no words to describe what your experience will be. some might find this odd but thats just your ego complaining x

[hypha]

Being your ego is being asleep. You are awake when you dream because your problems are on the outside and you are aware of them but when you are here your problems are inside you but your refrain to realise they exist so you stay asleep till you dream again. x

[hypha]

All these words spoken are wrong, they will only get you near the edge. you must take the leap of faith to the otherside and see/feel for your self. everything is connected and you don't want another's creation to be your burdon (language) x

[hypha]

You walk around in a haze of another's script. everything we experience is the "past". there is no "future" other than your self, the "now" and the "future" are the same. we experince the "past" in every moment. x

[hypha]

We find it so hard because we use a language which is smaller than our selves in this physical reality, thus we can never explain our selves properly. our real reflection/clean mind expresses the creation from our selves which is greater yet smaller at the same time - we are used to being aware of everything all at once in an omnidirectional instance. here, everything is broken down and keeps breaking down into smaller more complex, more useless manifestations. x

[hypha]

But there is nothing wrong about it, it's up to you. the ones that know this have been able to put themselve in possitions of power. this is how they can easily manipulate you with pleasure and pain. x

[gooseone]

Indeed , the realisation which can sometimes be grasped through saying is the thing that matters. Putting that realisations into words again defeats it's purpose as long as one hasn't realised their logical mind is only a tool.

[veritasvoice]

This question has been on my mind for a while. Look at the incredible amounts of mass brainwashing, dumbing down and propaganda that people are deluged with every single day. Poison for the mind in schools and on TV, poison for the body in food, water and air. You'd think this system would be virtually foolproof, yet millions are to varying degrees awake, and it seems like more are waking up every day - starting on the political level, and progressing from there.

[armoured_amazon]

This question has been on my mind for a while. Look at the incredible amounts of mass brainwashing, dumbing down and propaganda that people are deluged with every single day. Poison for the mind in schools and on TV, poison for the body in food, water and air. You'd think this system would be virtually foolproof, yet millions are to varying degrees awake, and it seems like more are waking up every day - starting on the political level, and progressing from there.

It's a spiritual war; perhaps we're all sleepers, triggered to awaken at set times. We have to digest milk before we can eat meat. I guess people get weaned when they're ready....*sigh*

[aronia]

Who is we?
How about you go first...?

I can only answer for myself.

I was educated by the jesuits from ages 3 to 8. After that 4 years in a very consavartive 1950th protestant boarding school. When i came home i was sent to 2 very political public schools. After only after 1 or 2 years home - my awakening started i starting when i start to ask questions from a conservative perspective. It has taking me 27-28 years to totally get rid my very conservative schooling.

Love & Peace
Aronia

[ref1ect1ons]

Awake, asleep does it really matter. Life is but a dream

[f13ticket]

At one point I wondered if it were DNA. There is Jefferson in my blood and, while I have not yet researched him specifically, many of the founding fathers were freemasons. I am white, blond hair, blue eyed. I fit the bill perfectly for what the reptilians typically like. For some time after getting into this area of information I did wonder if it were my blood that set me apart from others. That allowed me to see what others couldn't. Allowed me to think clearer than others could. It all came so easy to me. From my youngest age I was dissatisfied with christianity. I got tired of begging a vengeful “g/God” to forgive me for doing what I want and or to protect me from malevolent entities.

At an extremely young age I was already asking things like how my arm moved. I was told about synapses, the nervous system, muscles... It just clearly left a taste in my mouth, mind wise, as it wasn't enough. I made my arm move. How? It happened, but what was making all those other things fall into place? I was maybe eight or ten (ball-park) and I already wanted to know about consciousness. I already wanted to know more than the generally accepted answer that was, “good enough,” to much of the masses but was clearly lacking to me.

Upon realizing my homosexuality I began to see the world for the hypocrisy that almost all of it is. (Mainstream anyway.) People could so easily hate another for what some book said circa two thousand years ago without any logical thought to it. I later realized that the book doesn't even condemn homosexuality. It's a mistranslation that people are working off of. All this hate for a mistranslation? They didn't even bother to check another translation than the King James?

So, I realized, the world is piled with a bunch of gullible, lazy, people who just repeat divide and conquer hate without thinking at all. After listening to my friend and researching many sources myself, I came to realize that the core character of said religion, Jesus, is a recast pagan sun-god that had never walked this world as a flesh and blood man. He is the personification of the sun. These people are worshiping the sun, then turning around and condemning pagans for, well, doing the exact same thing. The religion of christianity is no different than the pagan religions before, it's not a re-haul project it's a re-branding project. It's like pok'emon blue and red. They are the same game with minor, cosmetic, differences. Instead of worshiping Ra, they worship Jesus.

I only ever remember being upset once and that is when this journey began. I could not fathom why “g/God” would hate me for loving a different way. I have sense dismantled the religion that had oppressed me and now find it sad that so many others, in so many ways, continue to be oppressed, in accordance with their own Will, to a religion that is a giant re-branding and prison project.

When I saw a brave classmate give a presentation about 911 it inspired me to research further. I found Loose Change and Alex Jones. The walls began to fall like dominoes. Man-made global warming, mainstream media, 911, big pharma; Alex woke me up to so much. I knew from my past experience with researching homosexuality that much of the masses don't bother to research. They define their existence off of a combination of blind faith, the, “norms,” set forth by the mainstream media, and very long family traditions of blind-faith religions and blind faith political party systems that someone in their family got hooked in so long ago and each member sense, until one wakes up, just takes the same stance because that's their family stance. Much of the masses don't think, then they complain because they suffer from what they get; the thing they got because they deserve it for not thinking.

The realization that NAZI ideas, which are clearly way older than just the NAZI party, are still alive and growing on this globe became clear. A dictatorial, very evil and dark, new world order was clearly emerging. But what was my role in this game? So many things, dark, came to me. Freddy Krueger was a key character in my envisioning of spiritual principles before I had learned more. I understood the Quintessential Number concept long before I knew its name. I would go around collapsing numbers I saw on clocks, or other places, because it just felt right to do. It felt like it had a spiritual meaning, but I didn't know then it did. I placed the name of the Japanese moon deity on a piece of paper and placed it onto my kamidana before I knew this was how they have long summoned the deity they wanted to summon into the shrine. And I made a metal casting of an owl that looked very much like the pose used at bohemian grove and kept looking at it, knowing there was something important to it. Later, I found out the importance.

I had grown to detest much of the masses. I had worked in fast food. I was never fast enough for a lot of these people, never accurate enough for a lot of these people. These indecisive people who, many of which, were thankless. They would yell at me if I made a mistake. The problems of their day they would take out on me because I was an easy target for them. I wasn't their boss at the job they sucked at, or the wife or husband who was never home, nor the kid that they wished they never had. I was the guy they could yell at free. And they did, a lot. I remember, long before I heard the number from the new world order, that I had envisioned that about eighty to ninety percent of the people of the world just die. The thankless, ignorant ones. I would get through the day thinking how much better the world could be if the smart people just killed the ignorant ones off and got a clean slate to rebuild the world better. When I began college I would muse myself at how easy it would be to kill the masses. They are ignorant, gullible, I remember specifically thinking that it should almost be done just to teach them a lesson. Just to show them the price of being willfully ignorant.

It was not until rather recently that I discovered David Icke. I heard about him when he was on Alex Jones. I began to watch David Icke's speeches and read his books. When I learned of the new world order it was, at times, like watching the movie Rope from the point of view of the professor. I had seen everything I dreamed of doing to much of the masses already being done. The torture camps, the death of eighty to ninety percept based off intelligence. My darkest dreams, that were only supposed to be dark dreams to get me through the day, were being brought to life in a way that took me back. It somehow felt wrong to see these things really being done. It's fun to think of the thankless people at work being killed NAZI style... but when I realized that they really plan to do it, and soon, it left a bad taste in my mouth, mind wise.

David Icke was the culmination of everything I researched before in pieces coming together and making sense; and so much more also that made sense too and in the most grand way. Oneness made sense to me now. Oneness, the spirit, the nature of reality; it all made sense now. He showed me the way to put the rest of the pieces together.

What allows us to wake up? Why are we here and they aren't? It's not blood alone, or even blood most of all. Blood can make some things easier at times... but it is not the deciding factor. My mom gets almost none of this. If it were blood, this should come easy to her. But she just doesn't want to know the truth. It is Will that decides the awakening. Everything is Will. I had the Will to know the truth. I had the Will to know what's going on around me. I had the Will to be myself, no matter what others thought. I had the Will to know the truth about the most important thing; spirituality itself at the highest. I also had the Will to know how it played out here, new world order, 911, on and on. And the people whp have that Will are goin to find the truth about all of this if they don't know it already. Everyone has the ability to do this, it's just that much of the masses don't want to.

[armoured_amazon]

From my youngest age I was dissatisfied with christianity. I got tired of begging a vengeful “g/God” to forgive me for doing what I want or to protect me from malevolent entities.

Um, that's not Christianity.

[lobuk]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

From my own point of view, even as a child i always had a feeling that something was not right in the world and this feeling grew and grew. The way the world worked always seemed very wrong.

It was only when i was older and the internet became more accessible that i realised just how right i was to feel this way and even though as a child, i knew something wasnt right, i could never have imagined the Rabbit Hole could go as deep as it actually is.

So i guess in my opinion, some people have always been awake or should i say aware even though they may not have realised it.

Having said that, in recent years, i have witnessed many people waking up some of which are the type that i would never have dreamed would actually become aware of things and change their opinions.

[nioz]

awakened people don't come here to discuss at the web, especially not on davidicke.com

[tinkerbell1990]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

I agree with you on that!

[subl1minal]

From my own point of view, even as a child i always had a feeling that something was not right in the world and this feeling grew and grew. The way the world worked always seemed very wrong.

It was only when i was older and the internet became more accessible that i realised just how right i was to feel this way and even though as a child, i knew something wasnt right, i could never have imagined the Rabbit Hole could go as deep as it actually is.

So i guess in my opinion, some people have always been awake or should i say aware even though they may not have realised it.

Having said that, in recent years, i have witnessed many people waking up some of which are the type that i would never have dreamed would actually become aware of things and change their opinions.

Exactly the same here!

Maybe that feeling inside of us, is our pre-decision to come to be in this reality and play a part in this experience?

[decode reality]

I agree with someone who said that our 'awakening' is something that goes back to childood.

Fortunately, there have always been individuals in each generation who question the established norms They're in many different fields; some operate in the field of social & political activism, some are artists, some are in the field of science, some are in religious/spiritual circles and so on. In different ways, they present new ways of thinking/doing that expose the flaws and imbalances which are taken for granted.

Most of us are presented with an alternate view to what's going on, via the work of these awakened individuals. But many people turn their backs ...many times out of fear. Fear of being thought of as loony, radical, extremist, dangerous, paranoid. They may even be the kind of people who bemoan the state of the world and yet they REALLY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH WHAT ARE THE MOST LIKELY ROOT CAUSES OF THE PROBLEMS.

So they stay asleep and stay afraid - and attack anyone who thinks differently.

[mememe]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

I think this could be true in some ways... I´ve never been in the majority on any matter but I´ve always been very true to myself and don´t care what others think (I´m very quiet and moral though). I used to be naive in some ways (like when 9/11 happenend I didn´t want it to be an inside job so I tried to believe it wasn´t) but I was always researching and it has brought me closer to a full understanding of how things are.

[gonzo75]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

Time released decoding of reality. I suspect all of us that accept the idea of the multi dimensional and layered nature of truth and reality, have experienced the feeling of the 'missing pieces' from an early age, probably birth. Despite our differing opinions on the subjects involved, we are all aware that the dots presented to us as 'reality', just dont connect. I think the reason it dosent all happen at once is down to self preservation. Like any other altitude shift, we must first, as humans, acclimatise gradually, or risk suffocation. DNA, in my opinion, does have a lot to answer for where 'awakening' is concerned. For a lot of people however, waking up is not an option, their idea of what is and what is not, is so rigid that their psyche would quite literally snap under the stress of being presented with evidence that contradicts any of the compartments they lock their beleifs in.
Hence the reason some people exibit symptoms of behavioral disorders when made aware that sometimes all is not as it seems.
basically, if you've grown up 'knowing' that the peices dont fit, your quite probably genetically predisposed to not only seeking out YOUR truth, but being better equipped to HANDLE it once you do. peace:).

[gonzo75]

I think this could be true in some ways... I´ve never been in the majority on any matter but I´ve always been very true to myself and don´t care what others think (I´m very quiet and moral though). I used to be naive in some ways (like when 9/11 happenend I didn´t want it to be an inside job so I tried to believe it wasn´t) but I was always researching and it has brought me closer to a full understanding of how things are.

This is exactly what i mean. Incremental genetic awakening. cheers mememe!:)

[lifeofbrian]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

Pain.

[supertzar]

It's all relative. While we pat ourselves on the back we still look a little retarded to those with a far more expanded consciousness.

[gonzo75]

It's all relative. While we pat ourselves on the back we still look a little retarded to those with a far more expanded consciousness.

Well said supertzar:)

[supertzar]

Well said supertzar:)

Thanks!

[gonzo75]

Thanks!

Your welcome dude:) I wish i could make as much sense in as few words, but my tendency to ramble knows no bounds:D peace.

[lakkimakki]

I m not awakened , i would call it , more aware of some things.

Awakened is one giant step. Dont make full of yourself.

[planet murderer]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

Thats a really nice theory. Being awake, what is that? How do you wake up? Do you go on-line and look at a few youtube videos and join this forum? Is being awake knowing that there is allot of corruption going on behind the curtains of our so called leaders?
So before you entered this realm you made a decision to come across and believe some random guys theory's about how the world is ruled?
And how are you are assisting mankind to live in peace??
NIGGA PLEASE!

Calling people that do not know about the NWO is stupid. And calling the peoples who know about the NWO awakened is stupid.

[les_paul_robot]

Thats a really nice theory. Being awake, what is that? How do you wake up? Do you go on-line and look at a few youtube videos and join this forum? Is being awake knowing that there is allot of corruption going on behind the curtains of our so called leaders?
So before you entered this realm you made a decision to come across and believe some random guys theory's about how the world is ruled?
And how are you are assisting mankind to live in peace??
NIGGA PLEASE!

Calling people that do not know about the NWO is stupid. And calling the peoples who know about the NWO awakened is stupid.You've got some issues there. Come back when you've sorted them out. Thanks.

[subl1minal]

I think when you aren't in fear of anything you read anymore and you're enjoying the present, now, right in this moment.

Then you're awakened.

I use to be in serious fear of anything passed Zeitgeist, couldn't stand thinking about it. Never thought I'd end worshipping David Icke's work because I was so afraid of it.

I don't think anyone accepts that they're fully awake when they say they've been awakened. Just think of it like this, when you wake up, you're dazed, confused and all pieces of information/memories come back to you and you're back on track.

That's what's happening to all of us who are on the path to seeking the truth. From my perspective, the more you piece it together the more it becomes clear.

[malandro]

I think when you aren't in fear of anything you read anymore and you're enjoying the present, now, right in this moment.

Then you're awakened.

I use to be in serious fear of anything passed Zeitgeist, couldn't stand thinking about it. Never thought I'd end worshipping David Icke's work because I was so afraid of it.

I don't think anyone accepts that they're fully awake when they say they've been awakened. Just think of it like this, when you wake up, you're dazed, confused and all pieces of information/memories come back to you and you're back on track.

That's what's happening to all of us who are on the path to seeking the truth. From my perspective, the more you piece it together the more it becomes clear.

I agree with you, I could never understand why the world was the way it was as a child and I often thought there had to be more to this world, it was confusing, because I could never understand the behaviour of students and teachers alike, or why I was even there?! Witnessing 9/11 and simply not believing it somehow, either that or I somehow couldn't take it all in, realised things were further gone in the world than they were on my street if you follow my meaning... Undesirable incidents with my father lead the rest of my family to move to another country 2 years later and I felt I could not go with them (it was my choice to stay behind though) I was about 16 at the time, young lad, very lost, looking for answers anywhere, read a book about greys etc. at my friends house and got seriously annoyed that TPTB are witholding this technology that would enable me to visit my family on the other side of the world in a flash! A personal crusade ensued and I then found Infowars and was delighted to realise that the world wasn't supposed to be as it is and others felt the same way too, that's when I realised how many people DO NOT GIVE A SHIT about their environment or anyone else in it as long as they have what they want, and ever since then I've been learning about who/what I really am and trying to let other people know that their life has a far more interesting course to take if they don't get eaten up by fear. I have to say though I get some right old stick for it... I like to think the universe is just egging me on though ;) there was another thread about the feeling that our consciousness is building up to a moment, I feel somewhat similar, studying the Mayan calender helped me relate this phenomena if I can call it that to experiences and the repetition of them until I learn how to get passed them in the 3D, I'm then on to the next experiences, feeling at ease with what I've learnt about myself. I'd say I'm waking up though, I haven't awoken.... yet :rolleyes: lol

[_tzupidity]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

Does it have to be something external and universal? Pre-destination and dna both sound credible, but that's only if you're looking for a reason to cover /everyone/. I'd be interested in people's personal memories of things they experienced that they think may have helped them along. I'll give you an example.

I remember the first time my old man took me to church (catholic). I remember looking at the huge white candles with gold candle sticks and noticing a tiny red glass lamp that looked out of place. I asked the old man what it was for and he said that church is God's house and that lamp is lit to let us know he's there. Fair enough. I was about 5.

A couple of years later when I turned 7, like all good catholic boys, I became an altar boy. I really wanted to put the candles out because they had a cool brass snuffer on the end of a long wooden pole and normally you weren't allowed to mess with it. I kept asking and eventually they let me and much fun was had.
But, I left that red lamp burning and got told to go back and blow it out. I refused because my thinking went:

This is God's house.
If the lamp is lit he's here.
It is lit so he is here.
If I blow it out then it won't bit lit and :eek: omg I've kicked God out of his house. I'm not that powerful.

I walked towards it slowly and genuinely believing that a lightning bolt would come out of the sky to stop me doing it, because I believed it was impossible for me to have that kind of power. I was seven remember =P

Obviously I'm here now so nothing happened. Although in a way it did. The lightning bolt went the other way. I realised on that day that I'd been lied to about /the/ most significant thing in my world at the time. Every time I was naughty at home or at school (run by the church) the big G man in the sky would be the final fall back position in any argument.

That lead me to start looking around and paying attention and looking for other lies and other truths and the rest is history.

[gonzo75]

I think when you aren't in fear of anything you read anymore and you're enjoying the present, now, right in this moment.

Then you're awakened.

I use to be in serious fear of anything passed Zeitgeist, couldn't stand thinking about it. Never thought I'd end worshipping David Icke's work because I was so afraid of it.

I don't think anyone accepts that they're fully awake when they say they've been awakened. Just think of it like this, when you wake up, you're dazed, confused and all pieces of information/memories come back to you and you're back on track.

That's what's happening to all of us who are on the path to seeking the truth. From my perspective, the more you piece it together the more it becomes clear.


spot on subl1minal:cool:

[gallifrey]

I am not sure that I could consider myself 'awakened'...aware, possibly. But awakened, no.

In a manner similar to _tzupidity, I was religious as a child. Chapel 3 times on a Sunday. Though by the time I was 14, my faith had died.

Moving from GCSEs to A-Levels, our Chemistry teacher told us to forget everything we had been taught about atomic structure, as it was far more complex, and not as straightforward as we had been taught previously. And that irked me, somewhat. I lost my faith in Education.

Now, over ten years later, i cannot purport to have seen the world, but I have caught glimpses of lies, that surround us, everyday. Most people don't take a blind bit of notice, only seeing what is on the surface. But I cannot let go.

[innerlight]

don't consider myself to be "more awakened" than anyone else...while choosing to walk a different path of "reality", my path often crosses with other souls who struggle with the same "negative" things that I struggle with. Were I to be in some sort of "Godlike Awakening" that seems to be the motto of many David Icke fans, i'm pretty sure I would have already risen above such behaviours and be in a position to enlighten others to their "perceived follies".....i'm just a part of the interconnectedness of the entire visible/invisible picture....no better than anyone else, no worse....

[subl1minal]

spot on subl1minal:cool:

:D

I agree with you, I could never understand why the world was the way it was as a child and I often thought there had to be more to this world, it was confusing, because I could never understand the behaviour of students and teachers alike, or why I was even there?! Witnessing 9/11 and simply not believing it somehow, either that or I somehow couldn't take it all in, realised things were further gone in the world than they were on my street if you follow my meaning... Undesirable incidents with my father lead the rest of my family to move to another country 2 years later and I felt I could not go with them (it was my choice to stay behind though) I was about 16 at the time, young lad, very lost, looking for answers anywhere, read a book about greys etc. at my friends house and got seriously annoyed that TPTB are witholding this technology that would enable me to visit my family on the other side of the world in a flash! A personal crusade ensued and I then found Infowars and was delighted to realise that the world wasn't supposed to be as it is and others felt the same way too, that's when I realised how many people DO NOT GIVE A SHIT about their environment or anyone else in it as long as they have what they want, and ever since then I've been learning about who/what I really am and trying to let other people know that their life has a far more interesting course to take if they don't get eaten up by fear. I have to say though I get some right old stick for it... I like to think the universe is just egging me on though ;) there was another thread about the feeling that our consciousness is building up to a moment, I feel somewhat similar, studying the Mayan calender helped me relate this phenomena if I can call it that to experiences and the repetition of them until I learn how to get passed them in the 3D, I'm then on to the next experiences, feeling at ease with what I've learnt about myself. I'd say I'm waking up though, I haven't awoken.... yet :rolleyes: lol

I know exactly what you mean. My curiousity or intuition pushed me to be where I am today. All of the songs I listen to and things going on at school/in the world. Something was up and it's funny, the more I understand and the more truth I find for myself. The more the music I listen to speaks to me and makes sense.

Is it no wonder all the mainstream pop artists sing about sex and heartbreak all the time, yet all the other artists who aren't so mainstream or considered 'weird' or whatever in music, are the ones singing and talking about the stuff Icke mentions.

[curtaincat]

I think nobody here is awakened.. just aware of stuff.

If we are/were awakened, we would not be here saying stuff and listening and asking questions.

I haven't seen or noticed anybody in any forum , here or anywhere, that is awakened. Certainly not not, for sure, and nobody else.

There are lots of Seekers , which is great. Love to all of us, the seekers...

at least we are trying , to help.

but otherwise.. nobody is awakened.. not really. :p :)

[conan1040]

awakened people don't come here to discuss at the web

well said ...

[gonzo75]

I think nobody here is awakened.. just aware of stuff.

If we are/were awakened, we would not be here saying stuff and listening and asking questions.

I haven't seen or noticed anybody in any forum , here or anywhere, that is awakened. Certainly not not, for sure, and nobody else.

There are lots of Seekers , which is great. Love to all of us, the seekers...

at least we are trying , to help.

but otherwise.. nobody is awakened.. not really. :p :)

good point curtaincat:)

[gonzo75]

:D



I know exactly what you mean. My curiousity or intuition pushed me to be where I am today. All of the songs I listen to and things going on at school/in the world. Something was up and it's funny, the more I understand and the more truth I find for myself. The more the music I listen to speaks to me and makes sense.

Is it no wonder all the mainstream pop artists sing about sex and heartbreak all the time, yet all the other artists who aren't so mainstream or considered 'weird' or whatever in music, are the ones singing and talking about the stuff Icke mentions.

another point well made subl1minal:) This is turning out to be a very productive thread:cool:

[layzie kidd]

I didnt read the first post, but I read the title. There arent too many people here who are actually aware. Although there is a good amount of positive info, alot of them think they are but are just confused and respresent the mass majority of the world.

That goes for the majority of people here. Intelligence doesnt equal wisdom.

[subl1minal]

another point well made subl1minal:) This is turning out to be a very productive thread:cool:

Thank you :)

I think nobody here is awakened.. just aware of stuff.

If we are/were awakened, we would not be here saying stuff and listening and asking questions.

I haven't seen or noticed anybody in any forum , here or anywhere, that is awakened. Certainly not not, for sure, and nobody else.

There are lots of Seekers , which is great. Love to all of us, the seekers...

at least we are trying , to help.

but otherwise.. nobody is awakened.. not really. :p :)


And I agree! It's hard not to use to the term 'awakened' though cause you do feel that way. But you're right, when we're truly awakened, we won't need to ask questions no longer or seek like minded people to find solace.

[_tzupidity]

Moving from GCSEs to A-Levels, our Chemistry teacher told us to forget everything we had been taught about atomic structure, as it was far more complex, and not as straightforward as we had been taught previously.

I remember being told in GCSE physics that we had to learn that electrons flowed one way, but in fact they flow the opposite way. By the time Scientists realised they were wrong, everyone was used to the wrong way so they don't bother changing it!

[consciousness]

awakened people don't come here to discuss at the web, especially not on davidicke.com

I'm not going to devulge on what i mean by awakened. Quite a few posters got what i posted.

Awakened can mean many things. And thus we can be awakened on all levels.

[malandro]

I remember being told in GCSE physics that we had to learn that electrons flowed one way, but in fact they flow the opposite way. By the time Scientists realised they were wrong, everyone was used to the wrong way so they don't bother changing it!

Imagine what it was like studying history... :confused: haha

Enjoyed chipping in on this thread, made me feel somewhat lighter! Seems fairly unanimous which has to be good!

[azureangel]

And thanks to the posters who shared part of their awakening process. I've been on the planet awhile this time and there's definitely a difference between the folks who are open to at least looking at the totality of what DI has to say, and others who are sticking to the generally accepted version of who is in charge (so to speak). I too have been looking for the real truth since I was a child. Who knows what that really is. I would just say that it's more important to find consensus and support each other than to concern ourselves with semantics. The OP used the term "awakened", not enlightened. Regardless; a great thread and would love to see more of it's type. The more we can nourish each other and the planet, also keep a positive vision, the better a world we can create.
Love, angel

[delamo1999]

I have known intuitively from the start of my current incarnation that something was really messed up. During my childhood and up to my late teens, I basically put up with it because I felt helpless and was sick of being rediculed. However as I became an adult, I made it a point to start looking for answers. Soon one by one, someone would come into my life to talk to me about spiritual things or tell me about real truths, I would be lead to a book, etc. I'd have to say that I have been on a real quest for about 15 years now.

As for the others I have known throughout the years, I guess at this point that if they haven't gotten it, then that is their decision.

:)

[farros]

I dont think you can call yourself awake after reading a few Icke books.

Gopi Krishna probably never read any David icke.

dont fall into an 'us' and 'them' mentality reffering to people who are not 'awake' cos they are happy drinking tap water etc....

Being awake imo is actively pursuing your goals, overcoming your limitations, realising and working towards the idealised version of yourself.

You can still do this knowing nothing of conspiracy theories.

The 'joy of becoming' is what the PTB really want to supress in you.

Being into conspiracy theories definatly does not mean your awake at all. not if your still a slave to your own laziness, bitterness, bad habits etc.. true freedom is freedom from the self.

Sorry to be preachy, but did not like the OP/thread title.

[ufochick]

My awakening began when I went the the school of metaphysics in my early 20's. I learned I was responsible for my life, my thoughts and my actions. Once that happens an awakening occurs on a fundamental level.

Then the second stage began when I recognized that I was being attacked by interdimentional "somethings" which I grew to understand was gov. black opps technology. Then my relationship began with those who now protect me. I began to search for answers only to discover that no answers were to be had from others only hints. I was the one who had to choose my path and decide what my reality and truths are.

I never did understand the stupid shallow human rituals such as greeting another by asking how they are without really wanting to know. Eliminating those in my life as much as possible has helped my growth.

I think once a person realizes they ARE in a box they have a choice, one is to pretend the box is a good place to be, the other more difficult choice is to climb out and see the real world. The second requires a complete change of one's life and thoughts. It's an opening and a huge change/jump for many, and there is no return.

Bujt taking responsibility for ones own life is the base I believe. Blaming others keeps us in the box and held down.

[sine]

I've read everyone's post here regarding 'Awakening', but not one of you refer's to the human dual magnetic polarity Pineal gland or Pitruitry gland; without these gland's fully active, you cannot make the passover between both hemispere's of you're brain like Synaesthesic children do naturally!

[subl1minal]

I've read everyone's post here regarding 'Awakening', but not one of you refer's to the human dual magnetic polarity Pineal gland or Pitruitry gland; without these gland's fully active, you cannot make the passover between both hemispere's of you're brain like Synaesthesic children do naturally!

How do you do that though? I've seen a lot of David Wilcocks work and he mentions it, but I've never come across an explination of awakening your third eye.

[bemore]

I have wrote a massive post before I realised I could some it all up in some simple words. So the post got scrapped for this.

If you accept that this world is being led for other purposes than what you are told then you are FULLY AWAKENED to that possibility.

Only knowing all of the truth in the world, including past history containing this possibility can you be ULTIMATLY AWAKENED (and that aint gonna happen)

Looking within yourself spirituality starts you on a journey inwards, so you again are FULLY AWAKENED to the oncoming journey of self discovery. Since we are not immortal and our race will constantly evolve you will never become ULTIMATLY AWAKENED unless what we consider time and our universe ends and you had maintained full enlightenment too that point.

I consider myself awakened to lots of possiblitys but I will never ever achieve a full awakened state because everything around constantly changes so you would have to compensate by knowing everything all at once to accomadate your state.

[stopthemadness]

The Pisces Era is ending. The shift to a new era often awakens those in a slightly higher vibrational state. Sadly, era changes are often accompanied by mayhem and disaster. The Age of Pisces (Jesus who is associated with fish) is winding down. The new age will be an era of knowledge expansion for about 2000 years.

There is nothing wrong, or for that matter special, about being awakened versus those who are still asleep. It's simply not their time to begin the hard part of the journey.

[armoured_amazon]

I've read everyone's post here regarding 'Awakening', but not one of you refer's to the human dual magnetic polarity Pineal gland or Pitruitry gland; without these gland's fully active, you cannot make the passover between both hemispere's of you're brain like Synaesthesic children do naturally!

Exactly. Children do it without knowing what it is, so learning it isn't important.

[simonb1]

I would like to put another spin to this discussion if I may.

Assuming aliens exist and are more technologically advanced and been around millions more years do you think they would be awake enlightend beings? I think not. All souls human or otherwise are just on a journey of learning as they go. For those souls comming to earth at this time is like getting into harvard university there will be be much to learn here hense the population explosion.

Anyways this discussion is all so deep so I will lighten it up with a link- bob marley who was probably as "awake" as we could ever hope to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJk_Ol4qYzk&feature=related


Peace.:)

[iwant_tobreak_free]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

no, we just decided to read some books, or listened to some radio shows and we believed what was in them, this changed our outlook on the mass media and global events, and every event that occurs now confirms our belief system, when a swine flu pandemic occurs "randomly", we decide it isnt random etc etc.

nothing about our DNA, or our spiritual level, just pure luck, synchronicity if anything

[iwant_tobreak_free]

I would like to put another spin to this discussion if I may.

Assuming aliens exist and are more technologically advanced and been around millions more years do you think they would be awake enlightend beings? I think not. All souls human or otherwise are just on a journey of learning as they go. For those souls comming to earth at this time is like getting into harvard university there will be be much to learn here hense the population explosion.

Anyways this discussion is all so deep so I will lighten it up with a link- bob marley who was probably as "awake" as we could ever hope to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJk_Ol4qYzk&feature=related


Peace.:)

enlightenment is just disassociation, I read in a book on anxiety that we shouldnt fear being disassociated and that buddhist monks spend their entire lives trying to reach that state.

if you consider how much of history taught in schools is manipulated, and that our development as a society is being manipulated..there will probably be states of being that we cant even imagine. anyway, we cant even imagine what an actual alien would look like. as we have never seen one..its completely beyond our understanding. its like trying to have an original thought..impossible. and if anyone would like to debate or argue that..please..go ahead and i reply

[tartan voyager]

I am new to sharing such thoughts with people. However, i have done my best to read this thread so i can grasp the thoughts of you all. Indeed i believe in the awakening and the conscious search for the truth. This search may be long and confusing and take me to places i do not wish to go, therefore i am still asleep. However, i do not expect a switch to suddenly awaken my true nature. Moreover, my journey is not to expect, far from it. Rather i accept the staus quo is truly broken and more people are questioning their reasoning for PERPETUAL discontentment in a monolithic political programming, which serves to divide by it's very incarnation.

I accept we are programmed to think we need our current political system but i also accept the complex nature of individual desire and the fear of letting go of systems through such programming.

I therefore wish to project my thoughts 'the now' as your moment to tinker and wish you all peace and lots of love..
Travel well and unhinged from systems

PEACE BROTHERS AND SISTERS

[ronisron]

I don't think everyone is supposed to wake up. Not everyone can; just as some are meant to, some are meant to not.

[curtaincat]

awakened people don't come here to discuss at the web, especially not on davidicke.com

Probably not, but awakening people do. :)

[curtaincat]

Pain.

brilliant and true answer. :):cool:

[curtaincat]

Great thread and off to bed , night seekers, luv u all :)

[pegcityevolve]

Probably not, but awakening people do. :)Correct.

[sine]

Let's just say for instance, that you're consciouness passed out of you're physical body, and you watched the world stop spinning, and everyone barely moved, no sound, only silence, and the minute you moved, it all fell to dust and disappered; would you be able then to put the particle's of dust back together again to make another world to live in?

Basically, this is what is happening to the world everytime you go to sleep, and because we're all following the same magnetic source, Earth, then we all live upon and within a frequency of existence. Alien's as such don't exist, unless you convince the masses that they do, then somewhere along this collective frequency, an Alien is produced, but only from ourselve's, our own imaginations, a collective frequency, and it's only when fear is subjected to the frequency that the Earth will eventually fall to dust as more and more people jump out of the box, then you'll all be asleep for a very long time until there's enough collective energy's on the right frequency, then you'll know what a Passover mean's!

[siliconpsychosis]

For me it was Lsd

[retro_metro]

Heavy Internet Addiction

[sodi]

For me it was the Madonna "American Life" album lol

I was like 14 when that thing came out and she was all anti-war/anti-bush. It really lifted my spirit and made me a strong little soldier. I know a lot of you guys align Madonna with the Elite ,but it was her that led me into this world of knowledge. Her "American Life" album is just fantastic

Or maybe I was already programmed to like her since I loved "Like A Prayer" as a toddler lol

[nirvana]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?


Why do you think your awake?


All the info that we get has been told to us by someone else. Our thoughts beliefs etc are second hand.

We start to wake up when we realise we have not got a clue whats going on:cool:

[consciousness]

Why do you think your awake?


All the info that we get has been told to us by someone else. Our thoughts beliefs etc are second hand.

We start to wake up when we realise we have not got a clue whats going on:cool:

Yet, the same information relayed to other people, doesn't get through to them, and they stay sheeple.

[nirvana]

Yet, the same information relayed to other people, doesn't get through to them, and they stay sheeple.


Only sleeping people people use the word sheeple:rolleyes:

[consciousness]

Only sleeping people people use the word sheeple:rolleyes:

Pot calling the kettle black.

[mrindigo]

Only sleeping people people use the word sheeple:rolleyes:

Agreed. There is no specific right or wrong way to go about things. It all boils down to perception and opinion. The people who chose to follow what the PTB tell them make that their own reality, and isn't necessarily wrong. The minority who don't just 'see' things a bit different. Those who seek alternative ways and information, often times tread the less traveled roads. Some people are more adventurous and risk taking than others. In the end we're all just trying to make it through life as be as we can personally manage.
The whole 'sheeple' thing is just a different spin on derogatory terms aimed at those who don't agree with aspects of the alternative information community. It's no different than those terms tossed at the folks who seek alternative information. Those terms would be 'nutcase', 'nutter', 'tinfoil hat wearer', etc. It's all the same, just spun from a different angle. Some folks would rather nonchalantly drop negative terms like that than try and empathize with others. It's easier to sway another with petty ridicule than it is to take the time and understand them. If some folks are as spiritually and intellectually advanced as they claim, 'sheeple' wouldn't be a part of their vocabulary.

[mrindigo]

I suppose my definition of what it means to be 'awakened' is a bit different than some of the people in this thread. I don't consider being aware as being awakened. They're two very different things. I would say that many are aware of some of what's going on in the background, behind the public facade. They certainly don't know every little bit of what's going on, and neither do I. Had that been the case, forums like this would have no need.
To me, to be awakened means to go beyond the mere threshold of awareness and speculation. There would be no debates or wondering about why you're here, what you're supposed to be doing, and how to go about obtaining that information, as you would know. Secret societies, conspiracies, etc, would become trivial matters. Do I consider myself 'awakened' according to my own standards, not a chance in hell. :D Will I achieve that heightened state of consciousness ever? I don't care if I do, because the moment I set titles and labels for myself, is the moment I stop growing and learning as a dynamic soul. :)

[bush doctor]

When One focuses on what's hidden in plain sight will the journey begin;)


The Priesthood of Amen-Ra, Liber Oz, and The Eyes of The World - YouTube


The quickening

The Quickening, 2010, and The Symbiotic Holographic Hive Mind - YouTube

[subl1minal]

When One focuses on what's hidden in plain sight will the journey begin;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_3TMc8fT4&feature=player_embedded#


The quickening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBL3LkAyrNU&feature=player_embedded

Brilliant videos, thanks for those! :)

[bush doctor]

Brilliant videos, thanks for those! :)



Pleasure dude:)

I got them from one of my favourite sites at the mo, check it out, it'l keep ya glued for hours, it may not answer all but can certainly help join a few dots;)

http://esotericonline.ning.com/

:cool:

[nirvana]

Pot calling the kettle black.


Well yes we are all sheeple to a certain degree. I dont have a clue whats going on . Few years ago it all seemed straight farward but the deeper you go the deeper you realise ,there is so much dis-info out there ,and many things I believed because other people had told me.


And when you cannot do the research your self we do get into the habit {well I did} of just accepting everything as gospel.

Unless Im a scientist I dont know wether global warming is true or not.

Unless Ive met reptilians how can i know they are real .It dont matter how many books I read.

etc
etc


Peace:)

[nirvana]

When One focuses on what's hidden in plain sight will the journey begin;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_3TMc8fT4&feature=player_embedded#


The quickening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBL3LkAyrNU&feature=player_embedded


But this maybe true or false depending on your belief system. :)

[bush doctor]

Well yes we are all sheeple to a certain degree. I dont have a clue whats going on . Few years ago it all seemed straight farward but the deeper you go the deeper you realise ,there is so much dis-info out there ,and many things I believed because other people had told me.


And when you cannot do the research your self we do get into the habit {well I did} of just accepting everything as gospel.

Unless Im a scientist I dont know wether global warming is true or not.

Unless Ive met reptilians how can i know they are real .It dont matter how many books I read.

etc
etc


Peace:)

You are correct in the depth of the "rabbit hole" a lot will depend on how far down it you are willing to go.

This may help you see through some of the mist.

Dont skip it read it all;)

http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=251

link has been posted before, sorry OP could'nt find the post.

Most people will only read/see what they want to see :rolleyes: if you are genuinely after answers then read read read then read it again.

Then ignore all you'v absorbed :eek: now you are ready to trust your own instincts and make whatever choices you find important in your life.

IMHO Knowledge is empowering but will not always bring wisdom.

Once you are aware of the dis-info tacticts it will become natuaral for you to see through some of the lies and propaganda and there is A GREAT DEAL
but tacticts is what they are, like moves on a chess board with standared openings to play, the un-initiated will blunder and be controlled by the master mason,"oops" player{Freudian slip} the cautious and savy oponent can counter these moves and make the game a little more interesting!!! lifes game is just that a game play'd by MASTERS but with stakes that are very high
indeed.

Trust your instincts my friend and believe NO ONE on face falue as they may be just as confused as you.:)

[subl1minal]

Pleasure dude:)

I got them from one of my favourite sites at the mo, check it out, it'l keep ya glued for hours, it may not answer all but can certainly help join a few dots;)

http://esotericonline.ning.com/

:cool:

Oh gosh, MORE reading, watching and listening. Life really sucks :cool:

Thanks for that also! :)

[bridgeeteyes]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?


I dont know, sometimes it over powers me and I do end up in a heap thinking why is this happening to me? Then I pull myself together and think well it must be for a reason.

[logan 5]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

I think it has a lot to do with personality traits. I think most dominate extroverts aren't awake or care to seek out what's truth and what isn't. I would bet that most of the truth seekers on this message board are introverted intuitives, i.e finding truth is what matters to them.

Dominate extroverts spend their time on myspace, have tons of friends, also talk on the cell phone all the time and need lots of physical stimulus going on around them all the time, because unlike introvert intuitives..they have NO inner life. If you think about it, this whole world's system is controlled by dominate extroverts. That's the main reason this world is so fucked up. It's their way, or no way. Political figures, criminals, conmen, tv personalities, Wall St bankers, lawyers, gang members, Hollywood celebrities, CEO's, rappers, Donald Trumps, Bernie Madoff's, herion and crack users, advertising executives, bullies are the most greediest and most self-centered people on earth. They all happen to be dominate extroverts. They lust for power and status and they will do ANYTHING to get it. They could care less about truth, or expanding their consciousness or connecting with their Inner-Being etc, because they spend all their time on all things physical, the " what's in it for me ! " attitude.

So yeah, it's could be in the dna.

[malandro]

I think it has a lot to do with personality traits. I think most dominate extroverts aren't awake or care to seek out what's truth and what isn't. I would bet that most of the truth seekers on this message board are introverted intuitives, i.e finding truth is what matters to them.

Dominate extroverts spend their time on myspace, have tons of friends, also talk on the cell phone all the time and need lots of physical stimulus going on around them all the time, because unlike introvert intuitives..they have NO inner life. If you think about it, this whole world's system is controlled by dominate extroverts. That's the main reason this world is so fucked up. It's their way, or no way. Political figures, criminals, conmen, tv personalities, Wall St bankers, lawyers, gang members, Hollywood celebrities, CEO's, rappers, Donald Trumps, Bernie Madoff's, herion and crack users, advertising executives, bullies are the most greediest and most self-centered people on earth. They all happen to be dominate extroverts. They lust for power and status and they will do ANYTHING to get it. They could care less about truth, or expanding their consciousness or connecting with their Inner-Being etc, because they spend all their time on all things physical, the " what's in it for me ! " attitude.

So yeah, it's could be in the dna.

Excellent points and very well put. A balance needs to be found, In psychology the phrases used are id, ego and superego, maintaining the ego being the balancing aspect. It might be referred to in a different way now I don't know but it's usually fairly easy to tell when a person drifts too far one way or another.

[gooseone]

Well , if i'd like to be i can be a "go-getter" ( and i have been ) but that' just not for me , i'm more introspective which gives me so much confidence to open up to the outside world i tend to totally forget about my ego. Are there any Freudian slips to be found in that? Or am i being dogmatic saying that ?

[malandro]

Think it's up to you to decide that! I'd advocate being true to yourself, being considerate to others and to be aware of cause and effect, do the right thing and be confident guiding yourself.

ps. I got a terrible grade in psychology I think an E so I'm not that great with those knida terms I just remember that bit and seemed relevant :rolleyes:

[gooseone]

I must apologize for my reaction , i am not a big fan of Freud his psychology
philosophy and therefore tried to ridicule it ....sorry for that.
I can go along with it being in the DNA and going along with that i can also imagine a consious choice for reincarnation...
The term "absolute power absolutely corrupts" also comes to mind.
The generalisation seems to hold true though....luckily there are exceptions.

I can go rant about the greatest conspiracy of all and how everyone seems to be in a high state of conditioning but observing my surroundings it doesn't seem to pay off to be "awake"
A lot of people would first have to come to terms with the concept that the life they are leading isn't as usefull as they have convinced themself it is.
If one comes to that conclusion without a better alternative it is very logical to not want to explore the situation further and just try to be at peace with it........can't blame anyone for that ...

[bush doctor]

I must apologize for my reaction , i am not a big fan of Freud his psychology
philosophy and therefore tried to ridicule it ....sorry for that.
I can go along with it being in the DNA and going along with that i can also imagine a consious choice for reincarnation...
The term "absolute power absolutely corrupts" also comes to mind.
The generalisation seems to hold true though....luckily there are exceptions.

I can go rant about the greatest conspiracy of all and how everyone seems to be in a high state of conditioning but observing my surroundings it doesn't seem to pay off to be "awake"
A lot of people would first have to come to terms with the concept that the life they are leading isn't as usefull as they have convinced themself it is.
If one comes to that conclusion without a better alternative it is very logical to not want to explore the situation further and just try to be at peace with it........can't blame anyone for that ...




The path to true Enlightenment is not for the faint hearted


THE HORROR OF ENLIGHTENMENT :eek:

Wisdom always has its price. Odin had to sacrifice his right eye in order to become the wisest among man and gods, and to learn the secret of the runes he had to sacrifice himself to himself. How great sacrifices are mages willing to do in order to perfect their understanding of the world?

Alienation

As a mage becomes more and more powerful and enlightened, he will also become more alien and remote. The life of newly awakened mages is already beyond comprehension of mortals, and the visions and threats surrounding the Masters is equally incomprehensible to the lesser mages. They perceive the world on a far higher level than anybody else, but this understanding is impossible to explain to anybody who haven’t reached it. This makes the behaviour of the Masters often appear as strangely pointless or downright confused, while the Masters are actually manipulating (or following) reality on a very high level. A riddle said at the exact right moment will grow in the minds of the listeners and make them understand the truth in a few years; a sudden gesture and the web of forces will reverberate across the universe.
This makes enlightened mages somewhat hard to deal with for the unenlightened, and especially the sleepers. Most sleepers can’t understand the problems, powers and limitations mages have, and the mages find the lives of sleepers dreary and limited. From their perspective, most sleepers are truly asleep, unaware and unthinking pawns for greater forces. The mages can see through their shallow personalities to their inner cores, where their real power lies untapped. Many mages (especially those skilled in Mind or Spirit) become so good at predicting how sleepers will behave that they hold no surprises to the mages.

Insanity

On the other hand, are the enlightened mages completely sane? Maybe they are not ascending, but becoming more and more insane; and since madness and inspiration on this level are impossible for lesser minds to distinguish, the Oracles may truly be stark raving mad. Are the Masters really seeing the true nature of the universe, or are they simply deluding themselves (and their students)? Nobody knows, not even the Masters.

Most sleepers would regard mages as insane anyway, not only because of their ludicrous claims of being able to warp reality and their obviously silly conspiracy theories about the “Technocracy” (any psychiatrist could diagnose this as typical paranoid schizophrenia), but because they have outrageously bizarre ideas such as the existence of demons, that computers could become intelligent, that meditation can solve all the problems of the world or that the Earth once was the centre of the universe. Most people are disturbed by such unbalanced people and won’t listen to them.

Many mages also fear insanity, especially in the form of Quiet. They have seen how Masters spend days quietly discussing philosophy with imagined people or fight their own hallucinations. They know that the line between madness and enlightenment is so fine, that it easily lost. Maybe that is what happened to the Marauders? Some mages try to control their own minds and perspective of the world rigorously, to prevent insanity from gaining foothold, but only succeed in avoiding enlightenment. The only way to ascend is to forget the notion that there is any difference between sanity and insanity.

Traps

Another danger on the Path is the many philosophical and practical traps and pitfalls which exist for mages. Beside such dangers as enemy mages, Paradox, the seduction of power and evil, madness and hubris there are other roadblocks on the path hidden within the teachings of the traditions. They are insidious, because they are intimately linked to the philosophies the mages encompass, and in order to circumvent them they must risk confronting the possibility that everything they so far has learned is false.

Mages of the Akashic Brotherhood sometimes become so fixated on keeping harmony, that they become unable to develop further; any change would disturb the sacred pattern or change they embody, and thus they believe they are close to the truth. Some hermetic mages forget they are dealing with the real world and loose their path into clouds of abstractions, where truth is just another concept (this phase is sometimes called “The crossing of the Abyss of Daath”). Certain Euthanatos fall into the trap of carelessly killing anybody they perceived as having lost their possibilities in this incarnation, without listening to their intuition. And many Cultists of Ecstasy mistake hedonism for enlightenment.

The traps and pitfalls on the path to Ascension do not end when the mage goes beyond the simple hinders of his tradition, instead they become more subtle. One problem many mages encounter is the imbalance between the inner and outer world. All sufficiently advanced mages know that there is no real difference between the mind and the physical world, both are mirrors of the other and if one changes the other will change too. Mystics decide to understand the totality of being by understanding and controlling their own minds and souls, while the Oracles decide to understand and control everything by total understanding of the outside world or even a small fragment of it (since all of existence also is reflected in each sphere). Both are completely, yet subtly, wrong as they slowly paint themselves into a corner. They loose the balance between inner and outer, and cannot move further until they realise this. But since they believe they are very close to total understanding, they usually continue to struggle in vain to gain the understanding they would easily get if the stopped struggling to find it.

Potentiation

This is another problem with very enlightened mages, their actions become much more powerful and influential. It is hard to do something badly when you can do it well, and since they see deeper into reality and understands it better, their actions will have much more profound consequences than the same actions done by lesser mages. Usually they are much more controlled too, but that only means that they have the intended effect, not that the effect is good. A Master loosing his temper and cursing somebody will hurt him, and when a powerful mage decides to create something, that thing will be created regardless of the cost or consequences to the rest of reality. The mage is moving through reality (and breaking it) like wet tissue paper.

Another problem is that the mage influences the reality around him very strongly; it resonates with his paradigm whatever it may be. Around an old and wise shaman the spirit world is much closer to reality, and the old signs retain their meaning. In the presence of one of the Cardinals of the Celestial Chorus, everyone feels the reality and power of the Divine. Not only does this enhance the magick of their tradition, it usually disrupts magick of other traditions or even consensus reality. And it also affects other parts of reality; technology tend to break down when confronted with the wild and dirty nature of the Verbena, and many sleepers (including some mages) unknowingly change their personalities just to fit in with the new reality. The most powerful mages change reality so much by simply perceiving it that the strain can erupt into Paradox; the Oracles would cause massive rifts in the Tapestry by simply watching static reality too closely.

Another danger with this influence is that not only the conscious paradigm of the mage becomes real, but also his subconscious fears, psychoses and fantasies. A paranoid mage will influence reality around him so that he really will be hunted. A mage believing in the existence of Nephandi agents will create them. Depressed mages actually cause the world to become a greyer place. This is not just Quiet, but an actual warping of reality. Usually it will take some time for the influence to take effect, but sooner or later it will become real (or at least noticeable).

Beyond Good and Evil

Another effect of enlightenment is that the mage sees beyond the ethics of lesser people, and start to understand the Big Picture. This can be rather chilling to others, as the Master apparently begins to become more and more amoral. In reality, he is just following a much higher ethics which the others cannot understand. Such a mage may break the arm of a student to make a point, knowing that the wound will be healed in a short time, while a very important lesson never will be forgotten. The pain, fear and surprise was just a part of the lesson, and he still have cordial feelings towards the student despite appearances.

Other mages might appear completely ruthless in their quest for Ascension, since they know that Ascension is worth so infinitely much more than any finite amount of pain and suffering. And through their understanding of all possible realities, not even the most kind-hearted Master would hesitate one moment in choosing the less evil alternative. When an Oracle of Time offhandedly remarks that Holocaust was (will be?) a good thing, he really means it; of all possible histories he has seen, it was the least evil alternative and will in the end (after a few thousands of years?) become a source of a greater Good. This of course does nothing to reassure normal mages.

Of course, part of this demoralisation may just be a gradual alienation from lesser beings. Mages are Nietzchean Overmen, able to see through all illusions, break down any hinder and create whatever worlds they want. But the most chilling thing is that they often are right.

The Death of the Ego

The final step is the ultimate sacrifice. The mage must be not only willing to sacrifice his power, his body, his mind, his soul and his individuality to Ascend, he actually has to do it. The final step towards Ascension is the death of the Ego, which will irrevocably vanish forever. Nobody knows what comes afterwards, or even if there is anything but Oblivion after the final step. This fills most mages with total fear, and many won’t undertake the final step, instead proclaiming themselves as Ascended and perfected while they really are incomplete and filled with hidden fear of the unknown. Instead of dying, their egos grow and become perverted with power and understanding, until they are farther from Ascension than even the Sleepers. Only those who boldly dare to risk total annihilation can truly Ascend.
:)

[gooseone]

If the death of the ego isn't first on the list it seems to me the Ascension process is only granted in accordance with the Free Will to be confused ....only on a higher level .
When one is at a point of understanding that words cannot bring over the picture one has and realises words and the mind are only for distraction it becomes completely useless to try and converse with anyone who has not even a slight interest in awakening.
You make some good points Bush doctor , although to much concretely outlined
for my liking, i feel there is a lot of truth to be found in your sayings.

[bush doctor]

If the death of the ego isn't first on the list it seems to me the Ascension process is only granted in accordance with the Free Will to be confused ....only on a higher level .
When one is at a point of understanding that words cannot bring over the picture one has and realises words and the mind are only for distraction it becomes completely useless to try and converse with anyone who has not even a slight interest in awakening.
You make some good points Bush doctor , although to much concretely outlined
for my liking, i feel there is a lot of truth to be found in your sayings.

Not my words to claim, just something I can relate to and felt you may find some relevance in the many levels that make up an ascension experience.
Truly a seat of your pants ride so to speak.

I agree one would assume that to truly ascend the Ego would be the first to go though it clearly isn't that simple as there are a few layer's before that to
understand first.


Freud came to see personality as having three aspects, which work together to produce all of our complex behaviours: the Id, the Ego and the Superego. All 3 components need to be well-balanced in order to have good amount of psychological energy available and to have reasonable mental health.

However, the Ego has a difficult time dealing with the competing demands of the Superego and the Id. According to the psychoanalytic view, this psychological conflict is an intrinsic and pervasive part of human experience. The conflict between the Id and Superego, negotiated by the Ego, is one of the fundamental psychological battles all people face. The way in which a person characteristically resolves the instant gratification vs. longer-term reward dilemma in many ways comes to reflect on their "character".
THE ID (“It”): functions in the irrational and emotional part of the mind. At birth a baby’s mind is all Id - want want want. The Id is the primitive mind. It contains all the basic needs and feelings. It is the source for libido (psychic energy). And it has only one rule --> the “pleasure principle”: “I want it and I want it all now”. In transactional analysis, Id equates to "Child".

Id too strong = bound up in self-gratification and uncaring to others

THE EGO: (“I”): functions with the rational part of the mind. The Ego develops out of growing awareness that you can’t always get what you want. The Ego relates to the real world and operates via the “reality principle”. The Ego realises the need for compromise and negotiates between the Id and the Superego. The Ego's job is to get the Id's pleasures but to be reasonable and bear the long-term consequences in mind. The Ego denies both instant gratification and pious delaying of gratification. The term ego-strength is the term used to refer to how well the ego copes with these conflicting forces. To undertake its work of planning, thinking and controlling the Id, the Ego uses some of the Id's libidinal energy. In transactional analysis, Ego equates to "Adult".

Ego too strong = extremely rational and efficient, but cold, boring and distant

THE SUPEREGO (“Over-I”): The Superego is the last part of the mind to develop. It might be called the moral part of the mind. The Superego becomes an embodiment of parental and societal values. It stores and enforces rules. It constantly strives for perfection, even though this perfection ideal may be quite far from reality or possibility. Its power to enforce rules comes from its ability to create anxiety.

The Superego has two subsystems: Ego Ideal and Conscience. The Ego Ideal provides rules for good behaviour, and standards of excellence towards which the Ego must strive. The Ego ideal is basically what the child’s parents approve of or value. The Conscience is the rules about what constitutes bad behaviour. The Conscience is basically all those things that the child feels mum or dad will disapprove of or punish.

Superego too strong = feels guilty all the time, may even have an insufferably saintly personality


http://wilderdom.com/personality/L8-4StructureMindIdEgoSuperego.html

[gooseone]

I cannot see it that way due to my own experience.
Explaining how i do see it is almost impossible....it is survival instinct to want something which is needed for survival ...ego basically is also a survival instinct to fit in to one's surroundings ...untill the moment of self awareness that is.
It is possible for a person to see that the ego is only a natural tool for the physical body , unfortunately most are so conditioned they think they are their ego.
The complete analytical mind /thinking in words/logical brain part is ego.
You say the superego is a part which has morals and values which in turn are "learned" along the way....as a person sees through the ego it becomes very clear that there's an emotional reaction to certain situations (partly conditioned through how the physical body instincts have developed over the lifecourse) , it is again ego which analysis this emotions and figures out a reaction.
Therefore i would state that i believe there are no "evil" persons , only people who are totally conditioned by their ego and their physical body reactions over their lifetime.
The essence of human beings is conciousness which mostly is just "aware".
When a person thinks , conciousness is "aware" of the thoughtprocess , when born a person is "aware" , lack of developed logical mind makes it impossible to analyse later on and therefore there usually is no recollection.
Conciousness is not only aware at this 3d physical plane , this explains why certain thoughts/feelings/experiences can arise which are not from within the physical body. Simply stated we are just a tool for concious to experience
(a mighty fine tool at that).
The problem is that when one doesn't see for themself beyond their analytical mind the concept is almost impossible to understand , after that realisation everything starts becoming clearer.....ascension seems to go from that point towards being conciously aware in concious..or something :)

[motokeiru]

This thread doesn't make much sense each poster has it's own notion of what being awake is.

[bush doctor]

This thread doesn't make much sense each poster has it's own notion of what being awake is.

Yep that's the Ego in each person controlling or dictating one's views of there world.

There would appear to be a great divide to being awakened than to the reality of finally ascending to inner bliss.

An Interesting viewpoint below.:)


Top 10 Causes of Enlightenment
by Jafree Ozwald
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Enlightenment is a process of peeling back the layers of your mind/ego to reveal the true and divine infinite Self that you are. It is the "Grand Opening" of your being so that you may totally experience the Universe in all its beauty and dimensions. It is abiding in the spiritual center of your being throughout this turbulent cyclone of life, while finding a deep stillness is perpetually there beneath the surface. Enlightenment is the constant realization of true spiritual knowledge and inner peace is at your very center and core of your innermost being. By continuously resting in the quiet peaceful still center in the heart of your being, you will eventually have a spiritual awakening. Abide in this center and you will find yourself manifesting a rich life, full of meaning, clarity, depth and bliss.

Spiritual Enlightenment is a continuous realization that you are an eternal being who will never die. It comes from a deeper knowing that YOU are beyond body and behind the mind. It is celebrating every moment of the day with the feeling of being intimately connected to the entire Universe, as if it is a living, breathing, conscious intelligence that loves you unconditionally. It is surrendering to this truth everywhere you are.

The following 10 steps will take you closer to having an experience of spiritual enlightenment. You will begin to feel more spiritually awake and alive the more you apply one or more of these steps below. Go easy on yourself. You may have been trying to experience these for a long time, possibly for lifetimes... enjoy!

1. Releasing the illusion that you're separate from an Infinite Source of love, energy and consciousness. Feeling separate and disconnected from our Universe is how we create failure after failure in life. This habitual illusion that we are NOT connected to the divine stems from the mind's attachment (and avoidance) of our EGO. Once we untangle ourselves form these deep internal beliefs, we remember that we were always ONE, connected to our Source. All experiences of suffering are created by the mind's lack of awareness in seeing your own divinity. Once we stop forgetting our eternal abundant nature, we are stepping forward into life as divine unlimited nature.

2. Quieting the incessant chattering and repetitive mind. The Ego is the thought program. Like a computer, it is un-aware. It just spits out information and computes ideas that are about the past and future. The mind/ego is a limited construct of ideas and beliefs about who we think we are. The more we can silence the chattering mind, the less we are trapped in this Ego. You could say that E. G. O. really is an acronym for Excluding God's Omnipresence. Only through the constant release of the Ego can we live in the true spiritually enlightened reality. We become aligned with the bigger Truth that are infinite Spiritual beings AND do also exist this physical third dimensional world.

3. Embracing and Releasing all your Fears. As you may have heard, F.E.A.R. really stands for False Evidence Appearing Real. To discover what you are afraid of open yourself up to another intimately in conversation. Let them see into you. Sooner or later YOU will be able to see into YOURSELF again and understand truly what you are running from. Once you know what you are running away from, run towards it and embrace it. It will dissolve and be released from your life at the perfect time.

4. Embracing and Releasing all mental, emotional and physical attachments or aversions to everyone and everything in your life. As humans we tend to get attached to people, and what they say, do or think about us. This occurs because we have this automatic habit of trying to avoid what is painful and stay with what is full of pleasure. The problem arises when we become attached to having to HAVE what is pleasurable all the time, or desperately need to get rid of something painful. Pain and suffering is just the Universe telling you to, "LET GO!" The purpose of pain is not to create more suffering upon you, it is to create CHANGE! This change is necessary for us to drop our ego-trip and return to our spiritual source again. Allowing yourself to genuinely enjoy your life is communicating to the Universe that YOU are connecting to this Infinite Source inside!

We experience pain because of one thing...Ignorance. Think of the word "ignore", add a little dance to it and you get ignorance. When we ignore the Truth of our infinite being, our Ignorance transmits into suffering. To transcend this ignorance and find spiritual enlightenment again, a deep awareness is needed. With this profound state of consciousness we can LET GO of anything that would create a belief saying we are not connected to this Source. Nothing more is needed to transcend this illusion and re-discover the truth of who you are.

5. Freedom from others' stories of separation. When you were 7 years old, what were you told you were not enough of? What was your "standard" story of failure or separation? Usually whatever we heard our parents and siblings having problems with, we attached ourselves to it and The Separation began. Since our parents never weren't fully Enlightened Beings who constantly lived in wonder and amazement of the bills they had to pay, we got the idea we were limited. If they contacted this Infinite Source, then they teach you. Yet they had to send you off to an "education system" which worked about 15% of your brain's potentiality and capacity, thus churning you through the grinder. Society never taught us how to be still inside, quiet our mind and emotions, meditate, focus on who we are or how to achieve inner bliss. They believed it was "illegal" to teach a connection with your Infinite Source in school. Society is hypnotized with a "thinking program" that success and truth is all about status, money and career. The reality is "Success" is defined by how fulfilled you are as a human being. That's something you cannot get from the right job, income, marriage, proper diplomas and P.H.D's.etc...

6. Stop believing that "Thinking" is a means to success. "Think-aholics" have become the societal norm. It has become abnormal in society to sit and be silent alone. Most people run from meditation because they cannot quiet their mind and feel they lose control of it. The ironic thing is that ALL of the suffering, chaos and illness in life is caused by a lack of control and awareness of the mind. Practicing "being" and sitting still, we naturally realize the Infinite Self inside. Instead of tuning into our silence more we are taught to think more and know more to achieve what we want. We are not taught the secrets of the Universe are discovered by simply being in the here now. This is by far the greatest success we can ever achieve. It is being at ONE with the infinite, all-powerful and omniscient Universal-God force. Is this enough for you to re-define your definition of success?

7. Stop hiding from your true power in your comfort zone. Thoughts are safe, while experiences are real and unsafe. We find it easier not to take the risk of getting hurt by diving into the ocean of experiences in life. We stay safe, comfy (and basically dead) inside our little comfortable fishbowls of "habitually doing" things and thinking things that once gave a sense of confidence and security. Life is a natural chaos that has a cosmic structure. It is like an uncontrollable rollercoaster ride because we don't know the exact future ALL the time and know how to respond to each experience that occurs outside our little fishbowl. Instead, we think about an experience without even having one. Through T.V. movies, books we hide from our powerful omniscient Infinite spirit and pretend to be completely trapped in a mental spin-cycle of thoughts about "Reality". Don't understand yet? Rent the wild movie The Matrix.

8. Letting go of the need to be right. Being right can be the hardest EGO trip to get off of. To get off of it, basically means that you need to be WRONG about your entire life. If everyone tells you from birth to death that Life is a struggle, that it's hard, painful and unfair, and you believe them, then how can you ever relax, let go, trust and surrender to Existence. We think we must fight to get what we want. If life is serious, we're probably going to gain love, success and freedom by stepping on or over others. The world is a community of beings. It is a playground, a play and comical stage where we can choose any role we desire.

9. Replace playing "The Victim" role with inspired actions. Through lack of awareness (ignorance) of our ever-present connection with the Infinite Source, we all have been participating in an inner victimization programming. This stems from a lack of inner peace, power and playfulness, which can later create a dis-ease (a severe lack of ease) in the body. The Victim role we get caught in gets good strokes from others who feel sorry for our pain and send us love. Thus we stay hooked and asleep to our ever-present Infinite Source inside. When we don't respond with awareness, we just react unconsciously from past habits of being victimized and thus create more experiences of being a victim. Many human beings on the planet are really " human programings". The same thoughts day after day after day. This creates a seriously deep rut in life, which the only way out is through being responsible for your thoughts and choosing more empowering and freeing ones.

10. Choosing to remain conscious and alive in the mystery. Our society abhors people who step out of line. The people around us often criticize us the moment we try to break out of the societal "norm" of unconscious living. The unconscious way is more accepted, it's even advertised by the T.V., movies, news media, radio, newspapers, etc... which all agree on one thing. That everything you need to end your suffering is outside of you, not inside you! That's how they sell you stuff! Many of us are caught in this ridiculous Rat Race to reach a certain monetary status and level of luxury we think will rid of our suffering. This never works. The cheese we rats are after just gets bigger, and bigger and bigger. Many refuse to understand the basis, that suffering comes from this constant desire! When we are desire-less, we remember again how infinitely connected we are to the Infinite Source which is inside us all.

Choosing to be conscious, means waking up from the Rat Race. It takes much effort to go against all our friends and families beliefs to awaken. The great part however is that the Universe won't let us sleep forever. She loves us much too much to let us forget our true nature. If you don't choose to wake up while you're alive (in your body), she'll let you know when your physical journey on Earth is over. Then you will definitely know how she could love you more than ways than you could imagine

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=4926082&blogId=324324198

[gooseone]

This thread doesn't make much sense each poster has it's own notion of what being awake is.

Indeed , i must apologize for trying to bring over my point of view and thereby
confusing others.
I can agree with the above from Bush Doctor.
One can wake up to the ways how we are being "enslaved" in the sense of recognising TPTB and how they are controlling things , one can try to fight that
or one can try to contemplate how it comes that people are so easily "enslaved"
I am not a big fan of fear so i'd rather go for the latter then the former.
When a plain is dumping chemicals would you rather shoot it down with an RPG
from the bush with some guerilla friends or would you rather try and make an environment where there are no PTB who would let that plane do it's thing ?.
Although the former seems the most effective for the short term , the latter can be done by everyone theirself and is more productive on the long run.

[mr stoppitall]

Even when you walk your own path, you will find others that walk with you.
:)

[morethanatheory]

Everyones view of awakened is different. For to be 'awakened' as explained in previous posts, you would need to be documenting your journey, as the above posts are so well staged like a process, this process may just be another illusion completely. How would people know this if they are awake? What is awake? Your definition of awake is different to everyone elses, atleast it should be. This just shows that we must all found our individual truth to be awake.

You must find your OWN truth, if you follow a path someone else took to become 'awake' you are doing nothing but pursuing a life you told yourself you had escaped.

Either way, this is just my view, it doesn't make a difference. Find your own truth.

:)

I dont think you can call yourself awake after reading a few Icke books.

Gopi Krishna probably never read any David icke.

dont fall into an 'us' and 'them' mentality reffering to people who are not 'awake' cos they are happy drinking tap water etc....

Being awake imo is actively pursuing your goals, overcoming your limitations, realising and working towards the idealised version of yourself.

You can still do this knowing nothing of conspiracy theories.

The 'joy of becoming' is what the PTB really want to supress in you.

Being into conspiracy theories definatly does not mean your awake at all. not if your still a slave to your own laziness, bitterness, bad habits etc.. true freedom is freedom from the self.

Sorry to be preachy, but did not like the OP/thread title.

+1

[measle_weasel]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?
Good question, and good theories.

[subl1minal]

Yep that's the Ego in each person controlling or dictating one's views of there world.

There would appear to be a great divide to being awakened than to the reality of finally ascending to inner bliss.

An Interesting viewpoint below.:)


Top 10 Causes of Enlightenment
by Jafree Ozwald
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Enlightenment is a process of peeling back the layers of your mind/ego to reveal the true and divine infinite Self that you are. It is the "Grand Opening" of your being so that you may totally experience the Universe in all its beauty and dimensions. It is abiding in the spiritual center of your being throughout this turbulent cyclone of life, while finding a deep stillness is perpetually there beneath the surface. Enlightenment is the constant realization of true spiritual knowledge and inner peace is at your very center and core of your innermost being. By continuously resting in the quiet peaceful still center in the heart of your being, you will eventually have a spiritual awakening. Abide in this center and you will find yourself manifesting a rich life, full of meaning, clarity, depth and bliss.

Spiritual Enlightenment is a continuous realization that you are an eternal being who will never die. It comes from a deeper knowing that YOU are beyond body and behind the mind. It is celebrating every moment of the day with the feeling of being intimately connected to the entire Universe, as if it is a living, breathing, conscious intelligence that loves you unconditionally. It is surrendering to this truth everywhere you are.

The following 10 steps will take you closer to having an experience of spiritual enlightenment. You will begin to feel more spiritually awake and alive the more you apply one or more of these steps below. Go easy on yourself. You may have been trying to experience these for a long time, possibly for lifetimes... enjoy!

1. Releasing the illusion that you're separate from an Infinite Source of love, energy and consciousness. Feeling separate and disconnected from our Universe is how we create failure after failure in life. This habitual illusion that we are NOT connected to the divine stems from the mind's attachment (and avoidance) of our EGO. Once we untangle ourselves form these deep internal beliefs, we remember that we were always ONE, connected to our Source. All experiences of suffering are created by the mind's lack of awareness in seeing your own divinity. Once we stop forgetting our eternal abundant nature, we are stepping forward into life as divine unlimited nature.

2. Quieting the incessant chattering and repetitive mind. The Ego is the thought program. Like a computer, it is un-aware. It just spits out information and computes ideas that are about the past and future. The mind/ego is a limited construct of ideas and beliefs about who we think we are. The more we can silence the chattering mind, the less we are trapped in this Ego. You could say that E. G. O. really is an acronym for Excluding God's Omnipresence. Only through the constant release of the Ego can we live in the true spiritually enlightened reality. We become aligned with the bigger Truth that are infinite Spiritual beings AND do also exist this physical third dimensional world.

3. Embracing and Releasing all your Fears. As you may have heard, F.E.A.R. really stands for False Evidence Appearing Real. To discover what you are afraid of open yourself up to another intimately in conversation. Let them see into you. Sooner or later YOU will be able to see into YOURSELF again and understand truly what you are running from. Once you know what you are running away from, run towards it and embrace it. It will dissolve and be released from your life at the perfect time.

4. Embracing and Releasing all mental, emotional and physical attachments or aversions to everyone and everything in your life. As humans we tend to get attached to people, and what they say, do or think about us. This occurs because we have this automatic habit of trying to avoid what is painful and stay with what is full of pleasure. The problem arises when we become attached to having to HAVE what is pleasurable all the time, or desperately need to get rid of something painful. Pain and suffering is just the Universe telling you to, "LET GO!" The purpose of pain is not to create more suffering upon you, it is to create CHANGE! This change is necessary for us to drop our ego-trip and return to our spiritual source again. Allowing yourself to genuinely enjoy your life is communicating to the Universe that YOU are connecting to this Infinite Source inside!

We experience pain because of one thing...Ignorance. Think of the word "ignore", add a little dance to it and you get ignorance. When we ignore the Truth of our infinite being, our Ignorance transmits into suffering. To transcend this ignorance and find spiritual enlightenment again, a deep awareness is needed. With this profound state of consciousness we can LET GO of anything that would create a belief saying we are not connected to this Source. Nothing more is needed to transcend this illusion and re-discover the truth of who you are.

5. Freedom from others' stories of separation. When you were 7 years old, what were you told you were not enough of? What was your "standard" story of failure or separation? Usually whatever we heard our parents and siblings having problems with, we attached ourselves to it and The Separation began. Since our parents never weren't fully Enlightened Beings who constantly lived in wonder and amazement of the bills they had to pay, we got the idea we were limited. If they contacted this Infinite Source, then they teach you. Yet they had to send you off to an "education system" which worked about 15% of your brain's potentiality and capacity, thus churning you through the grinder. Society never taught us how to be still inside, quiet our mind and emotions, meditate, focus on who we are or how to achieve inner bliss. They believed it was "illegal" to teach a connection with your Infinite Source in school. Society is hypnotized with a "thinking program" that success and truth is all about status, money and career. The reality is "Success" is defined by how fulfilled you are as a human being. That's something you cannot get from the right job, income, marriage, proper diplomas and P.H.D's.etc...

6. Stop believing that "Thinking" is a means to success. "Think-aholics" have become the societal norm. It has become abnormal in society to sit and be silent alone. Most people run from meditation because they cannot quiet their mind and feel they lose control of it. The ironic thing is that ALL of the suffering, chaos and illness in life is caused by a lack of control and awareness of the mind. Practicing "being" and sitting still, we naturally realize the Infinite Self inside. Instead of tuning into our silence more we are taught to think more and know more to achieve what we want. We are not taught the secrets of the Universe are discovered by simply being in the here now. This is by far the greatest success we can ever achieve. It is being at ONE with the infinite, all-powerful and omniscient Universal-God force. Is this enough for you to re-define your definition of success?

7. Stop hiding from your true power in your comfort zone. Thoughts are safe, while experiences are real and unsafe. We find it easier not to take the risk of getting hurt by diving into the ocean of experiences in life. We stay safe, comfy (and basically dead) inside our little comfortable fishbowls of "habitually doing" things and thinking things that once gave a sense of confidence and security. Life is a natural chaos that has a cosmic structure. It is like an uncontrollable rollercoaster ride because we don't know the exact future ALL the time and know how to respond to each experience that occurs outside our little fishbowl. Instead, we think about an experience without even having one. Through T.V. movies, books we hide from our powerful omniscient Infinite spirit and pretend to be completely trapped in a mental spin-cycle of thoughts about "Reality". Don't understand yet? Rent the wild movie The Matrix.

8. Letting go of the need to be right. Being right can be the hardest EGO trip to get off of. To get off of it, basically means that you need to be WRONG about your entire life. If everyone tells you from birth to death that Life is a struggle, that it's hard, painful and unfair, and you believe them, then how can you ever relax, let go, trust and surrender to Existence. We think we must fight to get what we want. If life is serious, we're probably going to gain love, success and freedom by stepping on or over others. The world is a community of beings. It is a playground, a play and comical stage where we can choose any role we desire.

9. Replace playing "The Victim" role with inspired actions. Through lack of awareness (ignorance) of our ever-present connection with the Infinite Source, we all have been participating in an inner victimization programming. This stems from a lack of inner peace, power and playfulness, which can later create a dis-ease (a severe lack of ease) in the body. The Victim role we get caught in gets good strokes from others who feel sorry for our pain and send us love. Thus we stay hooked and asleep to our ever-present Infinite Source inside. When we don't respond with awareness, we just react unconsciously from past habits of being victimized and thus create more experiences of being a victim. Many human beings on the planet are really " human programings". The same thoughts day after day after day. This creates a seriously deep rut in life, which the only way out is through being responsible for your thoughts and choosing more empowering and freeing ones.

10. Choosing to remain conscious and alive in the mystery. Our society abhors people who step out of line. The people around us often criticize us the moment we try to break out of the societal "norm" of unconscious living. The unconscious way is more accepted, it's even advertised by the T.V., movies, news media, radio, newspapers, etc... which all agree on one thing. That everything you need to end your suffering is outside of you, not inside you! That's how they sell you stuff! Many of us are caught in this ridiculous Rat Race to reach a certain monetary status and level of luxury we think will rid of our suffering. This never works. The cheese we rats are after just gets bigger, and bigger and bigger. Many refuse to understand the basis, that suffering comes from this constant desire! When we are desire-less, we remember again how infinitely connected we are to the Infinite Source which is inside us all.

Choosing to be conscious, means waking up from the Rat Race. It takes much effort to go against all our friends and families beliefs to awaken. The great part however is that the Universe won't let us sleep forever. She loves us much too much to let us forget our true nature. If you don't choose to wake up while you're alive (in your body), she'll let you know when your physical journey on Earth is over. Then you will definitely know how she could love you more than ways than you could imagine

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=4926082&blogId=324324198


I love you Bush Doctor, was a fantastic read. You always post gold :)

[fidokrab]

Very good question, OP (consciousness). One way that I look at it was simply I ran into the right videos and people on the internet to awaken me. But, there has to be a higher reason why I ran into the right information on the web. Before I woke up, I wasn't anybody special. I was like any other kid. I think, the people here posting and myself, were meant to come across this knowledge for a reason.

[gooseone]

Has not everyone at one point asked themself why they are here on this planet ? Seems to me we are here to learn , and everything we tend to do learn is spoonfed without giving it much critical thought..so in fact we are taught not to learn.
The internet has been a great tool for people to come along to conclusions made by critical thinkers , resonating with certain info is not a coincedence.
a Lot of people who have an internet connection are at a point in their life where there are sufficient means to survive so it's no longer necessary to be in a "fight or flight" mode to survive.
And we have a certain amount of freedom which makes for an environment where there is no need for the ego as a survival tool (i.e. people who think differently don't get burned on the stack like the witches of old time).
To me it is so obvious that many people come to the same conclusions when they start wondering about what they really are.(everybody colours their own truth so there are slight alterations in perspective).
If one looks back at our written history there has never been a time where there was so much potential , yet clips like the borg agenda also show how media is used to make people think in terms of conformity.It can go both ways but evolution is in progress for sure.
As soon as the majority of people realise they can just love one another and try to make a productive way of living without caring so much what others think there is no need for people to be governed anymore because they understand their responsibility towards each other and therefore there is no need for a select few which the majority themself place above them.
:)

[bush doctor]

I love you Bush Doctor, was a fantastic read. You always post gold :)


Thanks for the kind words my friend :), I do strike it lucky sometimes with my searches, but havent alway's posted with forethought, I have done some silly's especially after a bottle of vino :o now I dont touch it at all and feel much better for it.

There are some great characters on the forum,some with so much knowledge it is astounding, I'm sure we can all learn something from them as we go along this roller-coaster ride.

Thanks again for your nice words, it show's you are an open and honest person in your opinion's, a rare quality these day's:)

[morethanatheory]

The only wisdom is knowing you know nothing at all. :)

[lakkimakki]

Help me , i want to awake is anyone ging to help me?:(

[morethanatheory]

Help me , i want to awake is anyone ging to help me?:(

Find your own truth

It's at the bottom of that beer can in your avatar! :p

[lakkimakki]

:D Believe me that beer can never empties.:D

[newworldengineer]

:D Believe me that beer can never empties.:D

We all know your avatars direct from your webcam and in realtime, this is an intervention man, lay off the endless beer can, then your awakening will ensue ;)

[subl1minal]

Thanks for the kind words my friend :), I do strike it lucky sometimes with my searches, but havent alway's posted with forethought, I have done some silly's especially after a bottle of vino :o now I dont touch it at all and feel much better for it.

There are some great characters on the forum,some with so much knowledge it is astounding, I'm sure we can all learn something from them as we go along this roller-coaster ride.

Thanks again for your nice words, it show's you are an open and honest person in your opinion's, a rare quality these day's:)

Anytime man :) I haven't been on the forums for that long, but everytime I've caught your posts they've always been mega informative, at least for me. As you said, there's some great characters on here who have tons of knowledge we can learn from, I see you as one of of those characters my friend! :cool:

[j35p3r4d0]

Spiritual progression has nothing to do with your Dna.

It also has (in its preliminary stages) little to do with extra-individual soul patterns (past lives etc), although later on that is a factor.


I am repeatedly incensed by the notion that simply because you accept to some degree a level of mysticism about your life and reality, that somehow it can be assumed that you have "Awakened" miraculously to the neglected facets of human experience.


I am of the school of hard knocks, and it leads me to take trial by fire seriously, even though I am a man of the waters, and I can't help but pose the question:

Do any of you really know jack shit?

Do you ask yourselves that question seriously? Are you really up to the task of periodically and rationally questioning the basis for human reasoning, and finding that which resides within the soul-right of each of us?

Because for most people, that's just a silly role-play fantasy, or at best a personal association.

I must stress, for the love of true progression: No amount of talking will see you take up the drive and determination to smash the personal boundaries that ensnare us all like blithering morons within out own ineptitude.

Truth is not bestowed from an outside source, and you have forgotten your feet if you are serious in asking the question "why me and not others".

[j35p3r4d0]

is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?


both of these rationale's neglect personal individual involvement

[lakkimakki]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058599541
We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

Red Bull gives you wings:)

[morethanatheory]

Truth is not bestowed from an outside source, and you have forgotten your feet if you are serious in asking the question "why me and not others".

Hit the nail on the head there.

Fantastic post +1

[dragon fang]

Pretty much something in our DNA, We felt something was wrong in the world, So we eventually went to seek the truth.

[dusthead]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

I have no idea how you feel or think. These are your personal perceptions of reality. It is not possible to prove someone is 'asleep' either.

If I say to a room full of people Hands up who is a sheep? I would wager the response would be somewhat minimal. Bizarrely, if I shout Who is enlightened? the response would be slightly better but still minimal.

These are tags we place on others. Few are willing to place these tags on themselves.

[lakkimakki]

We all know your avatars direct from your webcam and in realtime, this is an intervention man, lay off the endless beer can, then your awakening will ensue ;)

Yeah your right, i think ill ley off andless beer can , and take endless Vodka bottle.

[psychick]

You are not awake if you believe your language to be real. you are asleep and under control of every word that goes through your mind. being awake is not about the amount of knowledge you have or wisdom. remembering/awakening is not about memory. it is about letting go and being what is not possible in words or symbols for we are the source of our problems and you will always find the answer in the question, we are the question. x

THIS is the most profound and intelligent post i've read so far on Icke Ville.

Rock on hypha :cool:

May i add that memory is a 'trap' to keep you from seeing yourself! :D

[psychick]

I think when you aren't in fear of anything you read anymore and you're enjoying the present, now, right in this moment.

Then you're awakened.



YAY! I agree :)

Living a life of not fearing is just so amazing; it puts you right in the now, automatically !!!

"Having no limitation as limitation; using no way as way"
Bruce Lee

[psychick]

The final step is the ultimate sacrifice. The mage must be not only willing to sacrifice his power, his body, his mind, his soul and his individuality to Ascend, he actually has to do it. The final step towards Ascension is the death of the Ego, which will irrevocably vanish forever. Nobody knows what comes afterwards, or even if there is anything but Oblivion after the final step. This fills most mages with total fear, and many won’t undertake the final step, instead proclaiming themselves as Ascended and perfected while they really are incomplete and filled with hidden fear of the unknown. Instead of dying, their egos grow and become perverted with power and understanding, until they are farther from Ascension than even the Sleepers. Only those who boldly dare to risk total annihilation can truly Ascend.
:)

This post speaks volumes Bush Doctor :)
It is as you say: "only those who boldly dare to risk total annihilation can truly Ascend". I have been in this place for a while now. I have no fear and i am ascending into oblivion. I love it because i have nothing to fear, and i don't think about it at all. I have cut myself off from the normality of the world. I watch no tv, read no news, have few friends whom i see, immerse myself into my kids. I have cut off from most of my family and it's all my choice. I feel freer than i ever have done. I am stripped bare and my fate is no longer important. Nothing is important and my thoughts are minimal. I listen to others and i release. I find it easier and easier to stay in the 'now' and just be nothing!
I am not yet Ascended. I have no idea how far i have to go or how long the road. It is irrelevant. I can only see a few feet in front of me and i don't wish to turn around.
Peace and love to you for your insightful posts spoken in truth and love.

Many blessings to all.

PS you can see my thoughts on ego in my signature! ;)

[mauviene]

Yea..good question..


I fail to provide any valuable answer..

[bush doctor]

This post speaks volumes Bush Doctor :)
It is as you say: "only those who boldly dare to risk total annihilation can truly Ascend". I have been in this place for a while now. I have no fear and i am ascending into oblivion. I love it because i have nothing to fear, and i don't think about it at all. I have cut myself off from the normality of the world. I watch no tv, read no news, have few friends whom i see, immerse myself into my kids. I have cut off from most of my family and it's all my choice. I feel freer than i ever have done. I am stripped bare and my fate is no longer important. Nothing is important and my thoughts are minimal. I listen to others and i release. I find it easier and easier to stay in the 'now' and just be nothing!
I am not yet Ascended. I have no idea how far i have to go or how long the road. It is irrelevant. I can only see a few feet in front of me and i don't wish to turn around.
Peace and love to you for your insightful posts spoken in truth and love.

Many blessings to all.

PS you can see my thoughts on ego in my signature! ;)

Hooray!!! smeone else that gets it:) It's warming to know that another has been able to turn from the Ego and be able to smile at life.

You are fortunate to have your children to distract one's self from the inner turmoil's that many accept as normal living,for me I have my dogs and a tree-house to keep me grounded if that's not a contradiction :confused::D

The journey has only just begun;) Enjoy

Live free of ego with love in the heart and peace will be in the now:)

[psychick]

Hooray!

Yes, a true smile is an ego-less smile :)

Tree house and dogs sounds just great! I envisage a rain forest when i think of tree houses... do you have an amazing view?

I have a dog and cat... i am pondering adding another dog, just not sure which breed i want to go for now.

"Out beyond ideas of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I will meet you there."

Enjoy your weekend bush doctor.

[j35p3r4d0]

This thread stinks.

Badly.

[1964]

Hooray!!! smeone else that gets it:) It's warming to know that another has been able to turn from the Ego and be able to smile at life.

You are fortunate to have your children to distract one's self from the inner turmoil's that many accept as normal living,for me I have my dogs and a tree-house to keep me grounded if that's not a contradiction :confused::D

The journey has only just begun;) Enjoy

Live free of ego with love in the heart and peace will be in the now:)

I hope you won't mind my interjecting. I've been reading through the thread, trying to understand. For example, you said to this person that she is fortunate to have children to distract her from the inner turmoils that many accept as normal living. I don't understand how distraction from turmoil can be a good, positive thing. I only understand solution and resolution of turmoil to be a good thing - while distraction sounds like avoidance and denial, which then presents the obvious danger that the source of turmoil might only increase and worsen - in turn, increasing the turmoil itself. In which case, the person will eventually be trapped, needing to find greater and greater distraction as the turmoil increases. Now if, in my mind, I follow that path to its end, then the natural conclusion seems to be that there will eventually be no recourse left except for the annihilation of the ego. Once there is nothing but turmoil and distraction, and then there is finally no distraction great enough, then what can remain after that but for madness and self-destruction? It would be a horror beyond almost all horrors, to realize only at this point that the path you travelled turned out to be the false one.

[1964]

The path to true Enlightenment is not for the faint hearted

The Death of the Ego

The final step is the ultimate sacrifice. The mage must be not only willing to sacrifice his power, his body, his mind, his soul and his individuality to Ascend, he actually has to do it. The final step towards Ascension is the death of the Ego, which will irrevocably vanish forever. Nobody knows what comes afterwards, or even if there is anything but Oblivion after the final step. This fills most mages with total fear, and many won’t undertake the final step, instead proclaiming themselves as Ascended and perfected while they really are incomplete and filled with hidden fear of the unknown. Instead of dying, their egos grow and become perverted with power and understanding, until they are farther from Ascension than even the Sleepers. Only those who boldly dare to risk total annihilation can truly Ascend.
:)

This is something else I wondered while I was reading through all the material. You posted, here, that you feel you must be willing to sacrifice (among other things) even your body in order to ascend. Do you mean by this that you hope to have the courage one day to kill your own body? Or perhaps allow your body to be killed by someone else?

And the other thing is this. You also said that the final step to ascension is the death of the ego. How were you able to verify that the death of the ego is greater than the death of the body? How were you able to measure this, to know which is greater, or that the two are or are not equal?

[lgeorge]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

I think it's a numbers game as well. We're 6.6 billion people.

Imagine a large population of ants: if a few of them find an extremely easy way of carrying resources, for instance (I'm no ant expert so this might be an exaggeration - that ants can figure out better ways of doing things), not all of them will find out at once, but more and more will, as time goes by.

This is not to say we're ants, either :)

[psychick]

I hope you won't mind my interjecting. I've been reading through the thread, trying to understand. For example, you said to this person that she is fortunate to have children to distract her from the inner turmoils that many accept as normal living. I don't understand how distraction from turmoil can be a good, positive thing. I only understand solution and resolution of turmoil to be a good thing - while distraction sounds like avoidance and denial, which then presents the obvious danger that the source of turmoil might only increase and worsen - in turn, increasing the turmoil itself. In which case, the person will eventually be trapped, needing to find greater and greater distraction as the turmoil increases. Now if, in my mind, I follow that path to its end, then the natural conclusion seems to be that there will eventually be no recourse left except for the annihilation of the ego. Once there is nothing but turmoil and distraction, and then there is finally no distraction great enough, then what can remain after that but for madness and self-destruction? It would be a horror beyond almost all horrors, to realize only at this point that the path you travelled turned out to be the false one.


1964, may i say that i feel you are thinking about this too much.
I find your post confusing. It sounds like you wish to be in turmoil?

If you cease to think and start to feel your way through life; your life will increase in quality. There is no denial or avoidance, life becomes a conscious choice. Denial and Avoidance are EGO words.

No path is false; every moment and step of the path is perfect in its timing for each individual so you cannot really compare one to another.

[kingkong]

How did we become awakened and others not ?

In the modern day, we have high living standards. It's easy to get by without any struggle. Like being on a constant drug high.

I would assume most of us saw or felt something quite shocking from a young age. We saw the bottom. And so, we were more open to the idea of a conspiracy.

Most people only think in the short term. They think of being indulged. So if they still have their TV and their beer, nothing has changed, for them. World events are meaningless.

[newworldengineer]

How did we become awakened and others not ?

In the modern day, we have high living standards. It's easy to get by without any struggle. Like being on a constant drug high.

I would assume most of us saw or felt something quite shocking from a young age. We saw the bottom. And so, we were more open to the idea of a conspiracy.

Most people only think in the short term. They think of being indulged. So if they still have their TV and their beer, nothing has changed, for them. World events are meaningless.

well said.

[bush doctor]

I hope you won't mind my interjecting. I've been reading through the thread, trying to understand. For example, you said to this person that she is fortunate to have children to distract her from the inner turmoils that many accept as normal living. I don't understand how distraction from turmoil can be a good, positive thing. I only understand solution and resolution of turmoil to be a good thing - while distraction sounds like avoidance and denial, which then presents the obvious danger that the source of turmoil might only increase and worsen - in turn, increasing the turmoil itself. In which case, the person will eventually be trapped, needing to find greater and greater distraction as the turmoil increases. Now if, in my mind, I follow that path to its end, then the natural conclusion seems to be that there will eventually be no recourse left except for the annihilation of the ego. Once there is nothing but turmoil and distraction, and then there is finally no distraction great enough, then what can remain after that but for madness and self-destruction? It would be a horror beyond almost all horrors, to realize only at this point that the path you travelled turned out to be the false one.

Existing in this plain one has a constant barrage of distraction's you are one of them for me,,they will always be present, everybody else is demanding there share of ones input via ego, be it expectation or satisfaction.

Clearly you seek satisfaction. accept some are content to just be and exist in the now with no time given to fear of future possibilities.

Writing of inner turmoil's and distractions were generated for psychick This person has realised there is nothing to fear but fear itself and has found some bliss in her children,this can not be used for general consummption as it was directed to her alone,she has chosen to steer a new path and to trust her intuition:) spirituality is from within and not from some others ideology.

"Feel the force luke"

Remember when you was a child of the earliest memories you understood naddar even the Language you uttered first was not there at one time and you clearly were not dead you just were your mind was open and trusting no concept of death or injury, you just were.

I feel that you will benefit from re-acquiring the trust of your instincts and just be.

To be like a child again would require the death of ego, embrace love and hold out a hand for those that dwell in the dark, some will always be content with the devil they know and refuse to leave the cave.

Your path is yours alone learn to embrace its distractions and turmoil's, not to dwell on them, yet acknowledge "they" like you are there.

see my sig:rolleyes:



The Allegory of the Cave - YouTube

[1964]

Existing in this plain one has a constant barrage of distraction's you are one of them for me,,they will always be present, everybody else is demanding there share of ones input via ego, be it expectation or satisfaction.

Clearly you seek satisfaction. accept some are content to just be and exist in the now with no time given to fear of future possibilities.

Writing of inner turmoil's and distractions were generated for psychick This person has realised there is nothing to fear but fear itself and has found some bliss in her children,this can not be used for general consummption as it was directed to her alone,she has chosen to steer a new path and to trust her intuition:) spirituality is from within and not from some others ideology.

"Feel the force luke"

Remember when you was a child of the earliest memories you understood naddar even the Language you uttered first was not there at one time and you clearly were not dead you just were your mind was open and trusting no concept of death or injury, you just were.

I feel that you will benefit from re-acquiring the trust of your instincts and just be.

To be like a child again would require the death of ego, embrace love and hold out a hand for those that dwell in the dark, some will always be content with the devil they know and refuse to leave the cave.

Your path is yours alone learn to embrace its distractions and turmoil's, not to dwell on them, yet acknowledge "they" like you are there.

see my sig:rolleyes:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ei7LqbYb8M

But you said that as a part of your beliefs, you "must risk confronting the possibility that everything they so far has learned is false". Those are your exact words - I copied them over to be accurate.

But yet when I challenged your beliefs, and explained to you why I think they're wrong and dangerous, you merely dismissed me as another distraction in your life. Which only acts as more evidence that there's something terribly wrong, and false, about what you've come to believe.

Edit: Hi bush doctor, I had also written you another post, with a couple of other questions that I'm most curious about. But you didn't respond to that post. I'll copy it here, below, in case you lost it somewhere in the shuffle.

"This is something else I wondered while I was reading through all the material. You posted, here, that you feel you must be willing to sacrifice (among other things) even your body in order to ascend. Do you mean by this that you hope to have the courage one day to kill your own body? Or perhaps allow your body to be killed by someone else? And the other thing is this. You also said that the final step to ascension is the death of the ego. How were you able to verify that the death of the ego is greater than the death of the body? How were you able to measure this, to know which is greater, or that the two are or are not equal?"

[1964]

1964, may i say that i feel you are thinking about this too much.
I find your post confusing. It sounds like you wish to be in turmoil?

If you cease to think and start to feel your way through life; your life will increase in quality. There is no denial or avoidance, life becomes a conscious choice. Denial and Avoidance are EGO words.

No path is false; every moment and step of the path is perfect in its timing for each individual so you cannot really compare one to another.

According to my beliefs, the source of turmoil must be resolved in order for the turmoil to be resolved. And this brings true peace.

According to your beliefs, however, you "resolve" your turmoil by distracting yourself from it.

I thought my question was a valid one. I still do. But I can accept that this is your answer.

[psychick]

According to my beliefs, the source of turmoil must be resolved in order for the turmoil to be resolved. And this brings true peace.

According to your beliefs, however, you "resolve" your turmoil by distracting yourself from it.

I thought my question was a valid one. I still do. But I can accept that this is your answer.

"turmoil" is what our ego and our mind concocts to keep us 'engaged'.
It is unnecessary to be engaged so by cutting off the life supply to the ego and mind, we disengage and no more turmoil.

Is that a fair answer, bush doctor? :)

[wolfhead]

All this awakening stuff is a bit spiritual for the likes of me! personally, I was never asleep. Growing up on a rough council estate, being constantly abused by coppers, having a pedo local vicar, seeing all my mates (inc me) being dragged up by hopeless, skint, single parents, running wild while surrounded by robbing pikeys, burglers, joy-riders, blaggers, shoplifters, scrappers, drunks, potheads, crackheads, post-op transexuals, the mentally ill, kiddy fidders, illegal immigrants and anyone else the local establishment wanted to dump on us - I was never not of the opinion that something was very, very wrong. I just hope to fuck that I can foment some change for the good before I drop dead from exhaustion!

I know one thing FOR SURE - there ain't no god.

[psychick]

All this awakening stuff is a bit spiritual for the likes of me! personally, I was never asleep. Growing up on a rough council estate, being constantly abused by coppers, having a pedo local vicar, seeing all my mates (inc me) being dragged up by hopeless, skint, single parents, running wild while surrounded by robbing pikeys, crackheads, the mentally ill, kiddy fidders and anyone else the local establishment wanted to dump on us - I was never not of the opinion that something was very, very wrong. I just hope to fuck that I can foment some change for the good before I drop dead from exhaustion!

:(
I have sons of my own Wolfhead and i feel such sadness when i read this about your childhood. I feel so angry and ashamed that you had to be subjected to all of this that i am lost for words except to say that it makes me hate people more than i did before.
*sigh*

I really hope you get a break now. I don't know how old you are or where you are but i wish you good health, wealth and love.

[willnotbesilenced]

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/2-thessalonians/2.html)

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish ; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved . 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.




Sounds spot on to me.
Surely we must have wondered why so many people just do NOT appear
to be able to see beyond all the lies.
Well its not perhaps a case of them not wanting to, but rather they now
genuinely CAN`T..... and WON`T no matter how much we try and tell
them.

Trouble is, imho, many are spouting what THEY believe to be truth
and which are only `new age doctorines` and therefore they too
unknowingly are under that same strong delusion.

We were forwarned about FALSE teachers. 2 Peter 2:1 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/2-peter/2-1.html)

We can see plenty of FALSE teachers at every turn. Plenty on the
internet, and just as many in the pulpits too.

If people would only walk away from those, and away from that
little concept which is called `religions` - and just concentrate
instead on the Word of God then maybe they`d arrive at the Truth
and none would need to ask why others were not awakened, whilst
they would know, HAVING ALREADY BEEN TOLD THE REASON FOR
THE BLINDNESS WE ARE SEEING.

[bush doctor]

But you said that as a part of your beliefs, you "must risk confronting the possibility that everything they so far has learned is false". Those are your exact words - I copied them over to be accurate.

But yet when I challenged your beliefs, and explained to you why I think they're wrong and dangerous, you merely dismissed me as another distraction in your life. Which only acts as more evidence that there's something terribly wrong, and false, about what you've come to believe.

Edit: Hi bush doctor, I had also written you another post, with a couple of other questions that I'm most curious about. But you didn't respond to that post. I'll copy it here, below, in case you lost it somewhere in the shuffle.

"This is something else I wondered while I was reading through all the material. You posted, here, that you feel you must be willing to sacrifice (among other things) even your body in order to ascend. Do you mean by this that you hope to have the courage one day to kill your own body? Or perhaps allow your body to be killed by someone else? And the other thing is this. You also said that the final step to ascension is the death of the ego. How were you able to verify that the death of the ego is greater than the death of the body? How were you able to measure this, to know which is greater, or that the two are or are not equal?"


I have never said these are my be lie fs or they are my words though my last post as this are all my own words, You say you had read the thread yet seem to have deliberately missed the bit when I do say NOT MY WORDS TO CLAIM JUST SOMETHING I CAN RELATE TOO.

This clearly showes you are either being Pedantic for some attention or have an agenda that will soon ermerge;) though by some of your posts I'v gone through you are what I would call a RELIGIUOS ZEALOT something I aborre with gusto:p

People are very low in my expectations and most don't deserve to have my attention let alone a place on the planet, I set my trust in firstly myself then animals held together with love and light:) rather than humans and there books on the words of God:rolleyes: all shite to me especially the new testament an agenda for the controllers of humans if there ever was one and very young in its creation, its all arse about face and should be imo read last as a context of how the first testament has been bastardised to yet further the agenda of elitists, if any its the first testament that offers real revelations about our past and possible future.

For the record I believe we are creations of a master alien race that has and still visit this planet:eek: if you get the allegory of the bible its there for you on a plate;) my soul is infinite oneness and will never die:cool: but knowledge is time consuming and wisdom is deep, to sift through all the BS and disinfo is a life time of learning, and thats just one book and one viewpoint.

That's one reason why I have learned to trust my intuition and tell the ego to piss off


The bible and its allegory are some I take on board and can relate too, just as I do with Buddha, Krishna, and a plethora of other man ethics and guides to live life on earth, indoctrinations and getting shot of core belief systems will empower you like nothing ever experienced.


There are very few that I would call a friend,some I know in the flesh and some I correspond with in syber space.
I go on instinct and gut feelings not what someone has led me to believe.

However I always never show any distrust or bitternes to my fellow human that come in to my life for the first time, I am open open open they will always get the benefit of the doubt as they may become my very best friend ever ever, this I do with ease and naturally, people who are indoctrinated by a specific religion are one thing and people who try to convert are another indeed, I have my doubts to there sanity tbh:rolleyes: they put all there spiritual eggs in one narrow blinkered basket and the Zealot tries to comfort there own private misgivings and fears by getting as many aboard there ship of salvation as possible just so if they are wrong they don't fail alone.

We are all singular in this world be it part of a family group or not when you sleep you like your thoughts and dreams are what you percieve and they are very most defiantly alone in the head, along with ones god.

Jesus was a man who new the score my friend and was persecuted for trying to enlighten the masses. watch the video again.


Now this typing is time consuming as I had a very basic education "thank God for that" the answers for you are in the posts for you to take as you will.

I'm off down the beach to try for some lobsters or crabs among the rocks at mean low water springs.

Thanks psychick a wise viewpoint, I couldn't have said it better myself.:)

[soon]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

I would say that most of it it's chosen by us because we need this experience . What we do with it it is up to us.

Whatever happens to you at some level you have had to agree with it beforehand

[soon]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

very good point . I would add only " to help people realize what is going on "

I do lots of name analisys. Many, almost all chose to overcome certain patterns and terach others how to do so from their own experience ( in the name you have ingrained your whole self symbolically ...also what you came here to do )

[soon]

awaken means being in full control of your own mind

[1964]

I have never said these are my be lie fs or they are my words though my last post as this are all my own words, You say you had read the thread yet seem to have deliberately missed the bit when I do say NOT MY WORDS TO CLAIM JUST SOMETHING I CAN RELATE TOO.

This clearly showes you are either being Pedantic for some attention or have an agenda that will soon ermerge;) though by some of your posts I'v gone through you are what I would call a RELIGIUOS ZEALOT something I aborre with gusto:p

People are very low in my expectations and most don't deserve to have my attention let alone a place on the planet, I set my trust in firstly myself then animals held together with love and light:) rather than humans and there books on the words of God:rolleyes: all shite to me especially the new testament an agenda for the controllers of humans if there ever was one and very young in its creation, its all arse about face and should be imo read last as a context of how the first testament has been bastardised to yet further the agenda of elitists, if any its the first testament that offers real revelations about our past and possible future.

For the record I believe we are creations of a master alien race that has and still visit this planet:eek: if you get the allegory of the bible its there for you on a plate;) my soul is infinite oneness and will never die:cool: but knowledge is time consuming and wisdom is deep, to sift through all the BS and disinfo is a life time of learning, and thats just one book and one viewpoint.

That's one reason why I have learned to trust my intuition and tell the ego to piss off


The bible and its allegory are some I take on board and can relate too, just as I do with Buddha, Krishna, and a plethora of other man ethics and guides to live life on earth, indoctrinations and getting shot of core belief systems will empower you like nothing ever experienced.


There are very few that I would call a friend,some I know in the flesh and some I correspond with in syber space.
I go on instinct and gut feelings not what someone has led me to believe.

However I always never show any distrust or bitternes to my fellow human that come in to my life for the first time, I am open open open they will always get the benefit of the doubt as they may become my very best friend ever ever, this I do with ease and naturally, people who are indoctrinated by a specific religion are one thing and people who try to convert are another indeed, I have my doubts to there sanity tbh:rolleyes: they put all there spiritual eggs in one narrow blinkered basket and the Zealot tries to comfort there own private misgivings and fears by getting as many aboard there ship of salvation as possible just so if they are wrong they don't fail alone.

We are all singular in this world be it part of a family group or not when you sleep you like your thoughts and dreams are what you percieve and they are very most defiantly alone in the head, along with ones god.

Jesus was a man who new the score my friend and was persecuted for trying to enlighten the masses. watch the video again.


Now this typing is time consuming as I had a very basic education "thank God for that" the answers for you are in the posts for you to take as you will.

I'm off down the beach to try for some lobsters or crabs among the rocks at mean low water springs.

Thanks psychick a wise viewpoint, I couldn't have said it better myself.:)

That is such a strange response. For the second time, you would not answer my questions. Instead, you responded by challenging my own beliefs. As a believer in Jesus Christ, I welcome questions regarding my faith, even if they come in the form of a challenge; or a debate. It gives me the opportunity to explain what I believe, and why I believe. But for the 2nd or 3rd time now, you've made it very clear that you're not comfortable having your own beliefs challenged. That's ok. I can accept that. I'll not bother you anymore.

[jiffy]

Personally I tend to stay clear of the self proclaimed "awoken" I have no

idea what it is or indeed when you define the point of passing over the

threshold of "ignorance" to "awoken"

To claim the title "awoken" is to imply that your now free of ignorance, which is

rather a bold claim even from the wisest of souls;)

In my experience, it is rather like many self proclaimed Religious people I

know, most of them are the largest sinners.

Just read vast swaths of the replies on the "today news" section, most of

which claim to be "awoken" :eek:

[onourwayto2012]

I've been "awakened/awoken for over 10 yrs now since i first heard DI speak......and have seen him live twice.......yet I am now a drug addicted alcoholic bastard......I read the forums every day..... and for the most part really enjoy them.....I learn all sorts of cool shit but remain in my quagmire....oh well.....I'll sort it out some day.....if not sooner

[bush doctor]

I've been "awakened/awoken for over 10 yrs now since i first heard DI speak......and have seen him live twice.......yet I am now a drug addicted alcoholic bastard......I read the forums every day..... and for the most part really enjoy them.....I learn all sorts of cool shit but remain in my quagmire....oh well.....I'll sort it out some day.....if not sooner

Finding a solid reason to quit certain paths is a trauma on its own :eek: if it wont come naturally by will alone there are ways to help free the mind of distraction and turmoil, some use religion some use drugs and alcohol. Increasingly it would appear that many are using meditation and in return get an understanding of the essence of consciences:confused:

yep its easy to get confused by all the new age guff that gets posted or presented by whatever media.

I have found for me that to meditate or just to try enriches the perception of your self and expands conciousness, this will lead to greater personal control and deny whatever is holding you back from being at peace with your self.

Once an accepted form of mind emptying is found it's a case of practice to make it perfect.

Yoga and Thai chi, are just two that I have touched on but need a lot of commitment.

or it could be just sitting in a tree house staring at the sun and focusing on the Chakra's:cool: that's what works for me now.

Especially after little talk with Jack Herer :D

Hope you find your way dude......vids not bad


Merkabah, The Chariot of Ascension - YouTube

[octopusrex]

Love for one another.:(

[bush doctor]

For me it was Lsd




Nice dreams :D:D

Timothy Leary - Nice Dreams - YouTube

[fork]

We are not awakened; apparently we are a bunch of nutty conspiracy fucks that have some kind of psychosis. :rolleyes:

[lakkimakki]

porn

[armoured_amazon]

We are not awakened; apparently we are a bunch of nutty conspiracy fucks that have some kind of psychosis. :rolleyes:

That made me laugh out loud :D

[badass]

very good question !
means you are already searching what is your life all about ...

look at my thread "why is the wake-up call not working ?"
I gave here the reason why a human cannot perceive higher truth or deeper insights. The reason is not your education, not your book reading ...

First stop drinking alcohol or narcotics, this is the main cause of not beeing able to penetrate the veils. The next steps you can find yourself if you really want to enter this path .... But be assured: for getting a sharper mind no pill or no injection and no external help exists

[j35p3r4d0]

porn



bravo!

[bush doctor]

porn

Was that as a star or just as a pud Puller:D

[franky000]

'Awakening' is realising that there's nobody here to be awakened, not that our government is corrupt

[newworldengineer]

Sometimes I think this place is hell and wonder what the hell I did in my previous life that was sooo bad. :p

[bush doctor]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?


Back on topic:

I think we should consider the aspect of Fluoride poisoning it has been found to seriously impair the function of the PINEAL GLAND by calcification. This seems to be a deliberate act by the PTB, many here know already that the Pineal gland along with its other roles is our physical key that opens extra dimensional gateway's to a higher level of understanding, maybe the reason some are more awakened than others is simply being exposed to less fluoride in there life before now.


The effects of Fluoride on the Pineal Gland.
Not a lot of people know the effects of fluoride on the Pineal gland and its implications on the individual. Having read through quite a few articles I couldn’t sit back knowing that this is happening. It is all makes sense once you read up on the effects of fluoride on the Pineal Gland and why its there in the water

Because there was so much information out there and I guess some people will ask for “proof” or “evidence” as this is something that some people just do not want to believe! I have listed the links to these resources for your information and I guess peace of mind.

This pineal gland controls the various bio-rhythms of the body. It works in harmony with the hypothalamus gland which directs the body's thirst, hunger, sexual desire and the biological clock that determines our aging process. The pineal gland acts in two ways to inhibit the action of the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland is responsible for activating adolescence and the beginning of sexuality. The pineal gland checks the pituitary gland to prevent premature sexual awakening (Disney anyone?). Human thought is regarded as a result of suspended action, and the pineal gland inhibits the immediate discharging of thoughts into action, also it is worth noting here the pineal gland and the major hormone it produces, melatonin, seem to play a role in modulating the immune system (Hmmm..).

Now the weird thing is apparently fluoride (which happens to be put in our water) actually builds up in the pineal gland....Calcifying it causing a possible divorce or limited response on the pineals glands part, or the individuals inability to experience any spiritual connection or awareness.

Fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland leads to generations such as atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....Its not simply the indolence of many of these people, but an actual inability to perceive such things...due to the pineal gland being swamped with a chemical that interferes with a spiritual awareness.

In a nutshell Fluoride calcifies the pineal gland and turns it into a rock. Calcification in the pineal gland affects our brain's ability to function. Increased calcification impairs our sense of direction and explains how we can become disoriented and miss a turn off on a road we've driven a 100 times. The effects of disturbed sleep on memory are well documented. Studies have shown increased pineal calcification is significantly related to sleep disturbance and day time tiredness.

Good news though. Frequent exposure to outdoor sunshine, 20 minutes or so at a time, will help stimulate a fluoride calcified pineal gland. Just make sure you take off your hat. This is more important than most realize, because the pineal gland affects so much other enzyme and endocrine activity, including melatonin production.

http://www.wakeupproject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=6374

This video is OUTSTANDING the visuals alone will blow your mind.


Opening the Crown Chakra: DVD 08-02 Portal Guidance / The Grand Illumination - YouTube

[ozpixie]

I always felt like I was born in the wrong time or place or something like that. A square peg in a round hole. I've always felt like something was wrong and missing but couldn't work it out, largely I still can't. Nothing to do with intellect or giftedness. It's always been like, well why can't we just fly or make things appear, or go back in time and so on...? In some ways Matrix was like a breath of fresh air because I thought that at least one other person thought along the same lines as me. Challenging the sense of normality. Strange, and wierd but still on the journey of discovery.

[ignoranto_bliss]

very good question !
means you are already searching what is your life all about ...

look at my thread "why is the wake-up call not working ?"
I gave here the reason why a human cannot perceive higher truth or deeper insights. The reason is not your education, not your book reading ...

First stop drinking alcohol or narcotics, this is the main cause of not beeing able to penetrate the veils. The next steps you can find yourself if you really want to enter this path .... But be assured: for getting a sharper mind no pill or no injection and no external help exists

Narcotics enabled me to see through more things than everything else all together and taught me to be even better bullshitter than i was before and good luck bullshitting the bullshitter.
Alcohol enabled me to see the bullshit in truth movement and dragged me through hours of tube videos :) .

But yes its harms you badly at the end of the day .
But you dont care cause you high and drunk anyways :D

[bush doctor]

Back on topic:

I think we should consider the aspect of Fluoride poisoning it has been found to seriously impair the function of the PINEAL GLAND by calcification. This seems to be a deliberate act by the PTB, many here know already that the Pineal gland along with its other roles is our physical key that opens extra dimensional gateway's to a higher level of understanding, maybe the reason some are more awakened than others is simply being exposed to less fluoride in there life before now.


The effects of Fluoride on the Pineal Gland.
Not a lot of people know the effects of fluoride on the Pineal gland and its implications on the individual. Having read through quite a few articles I couldn’t sit back knowing that this is happening. It is all makes sense once you read up on the effects of fluoride on the Pineal Gland and why its there in the water

Because there was so much information out there and I guess some people will ask for “proof” or “evidence” as this is something that some people just do not want to believe! I have listed the links to these resources for your information and I guess peace of mind.

This pineal gland controls the various bio-rhythms of the body. It works in harmony with the hypothalamus gland which directs the body's thirst, hunger, sexual desire and the biological clock that determines our aging process. The pineal gland acts in two ways to inhibit the action of the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland is responsible for activating adolescence and the beginning of sexuality. The pineal gland checks the pituitary gland to prevent premature sexual awakening (Disney anyone?). Human thought is regarded as a result of suspended action, and the pineal gland inhibits the immediate discharging of thoughts into action, also it is worth noting here the pineal gland and the major hormone it produces, melatonin, seem to play a role in modulating the immune system (Hmmm..).

Now the weird thing is apparently fluoride (which happens to be put in our water) actually builds up in the pineal gland....Calcifying it causing a possible divorce or limited response on the pineals glands part, or the individuals inability to experience any spiritual connection or awareness.

Fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland leads to generations such as atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....Its not simply the indolence of many of these people, but an actual inability to perceive such things...due to the pineal gland being swamped with a chemical that interferes with a spiritual awareness.

In a nutshell Fluoride calcifies the pineal gland and turns it into a rock. Calcification in the pineal gland affects our brain's ability to function. Increased calcification impairs our sense of direction and explains how we can become disoriented and miss a turn off on a road we've driven a 100 times. The effects of disturbed sleep on memory are well documented. Studies have shown increased pineal calcification is significantly related to sleep disturbance and day time tiredness.

Good news though. Frequent exposure to outdoor sunshine, 20 minutes or so at a time, will help stimulate a fluoride calcified pineal gland. Just make sure you take off your hat. This is more important than most realize, because the pineal gland affects so much other enzyme and endocrine activity, including melatonin production.

http://www.wakeupproject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=6374

This video is OUTSTANDING the visuals alone will blow your mind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYWLWaQknSk


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[pessi_optimist]

bump

There is no link to a video though... :confused:

[pessi_optimist]

oh now it's appeared no problem

[verndewd]

in my theory these things preceed globally effecting events, that energy affecting us is due to the energy that is headed our way, and the result is people getting past their inner viels to infinite realities while others simply become increasingly aware of their immediate settings.

These energy waves have been coming to us for a very long time, what they fortell I cant say definitively. I can only say I have lived through 3 of these waves, born in 68, then one in the 90's and now again. I read somewhere this is a 30 year cycle of energy.

Perhaps its actually generated by our earth, some kind of undetectable energy, or its universal. I really dont know.

[_tzupidity]

Is there any way to de-calcify your pineal gland?

[verndewd]

Is there any way to de-calcify your pineal gland?

Thats a great question, I dont know if its possible to just increase the energy to the gland and possibly dissolve the calcium. There are illicit drugs which dissolve calcium, but the trade off isnt worth it. Such as meth,k it weakens bones and teeth, I havent had kidney stones since I did meth but after ruining my teeth i can say authoritatively that its not the right path.

[ambler1980]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

i think alot of people who have awaken are ET souls or indigo children or what have you....souls that chose to come here to wake other people up.

[ambler1980]

Is there any way to de-calcify your pineal gland?

youtube search is your friend :)

[_tzupidity]

Thats a great question, I dont know if its possible to just increase the energy to the gland and possibly dissolve the calcium. There are illicit drugs which dissolve calcium, but the trade off isnt worth it. Such as meth,k it weakens bones and teeth, I havent had kidney stones since I did meth but after ruining my teeth i can say authoritatively that its not the right path.

Good point. I don't want to melt my teeth and bones. =/

youtube search is your friend :)

Another good point. I'll go have a look!

[_tzupidity]

There's some guy beating the heavenly drum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHLv44KqXw

[verndewd]

There's some guy beating the heavenly drum.

May as well try that one, i think I will.:D

[pegcityevolve]

Is there any way to de-calcify your pineal gland?Meditation, brain entrainment. Cubenise mushrooms. Iodine.

[_tzupidity]

May as well try that one, i think I will.:D

I've seen buddhists do that before. I don't know how it's meant to work though. Easy enough to try out and see though. I'll be beating my drum before I go to sleep.

Meditation, brain entrainment. Cubenise mushrooms. Iodine.

Is that where you play diferent tones through each ear and the diference creates a resonance? I remember having a computer program that did it. Was quite popular around the start of the century.
Sounds weird saying start of the century but until someone comes up with an Eighties, Nineties type word for 2000-2009 that doesn't sound stupid, I'm sticking with it. Actually, make that til 2019.

[verndewd]

Was quite popular around the start of the century.
.

you dont plan on copyrighting that do you? I might start using that too :D

[_tzupidity]

you dont plan on copyrighting that do you? I might start using that too :D

Nah, I think everyone should use it. Naughties is stupid. I don't know what this decade is called. The tennies or teenies?

[1964]

We is us awakened folk. I think it's a decision taken before our incarnation into this physical realm, in order to assist the rest of mankind to live in peace.

You are still not awake. Having you believe you're awake is just another part of the deception. It's not difficult to prove. For example, I know this couple who are in their 60s. They have no Internet access, and don't even know how to use a computer. And even they are familiar with a lot of the things that are talked about in the David Icke forum, by self professed truthers. How are they familiar with these things? Because these things are being put out there by mainstream media - news, television, theatre, Hollywood, music. You are being manipulated and directed to think about and believe in these things, as the second to last effort to keep you from the actual truth.

[pegcityevolve]

You are still not awake. Having you believe you're awake is just another part of the deception. It's not difficult to prove. For example, I know this couple who are in their 60s. They have no Internet access, and don't even know how to use a computer. And even they are familiar with a lot of the things that are talked about in the David Icke forum, by self professed truthers. How are they familiar with these things? Because these things are being put out there by mainstream media - news, television, theatre, Hollywood, music. You are being manipulated and directed to think about and believe in these things, as the second to last effort to keep you from the actual truth.What is the actual truth?

[orb27]

What has made us awaken ? Is it something in our dna ? Is it a pre-reincarnation descision ?

We have changed, because we have awakened. So, something inside of us, activated this change/awakening.

What is it ? Any idea ?

^ If you're asking questions like this then why are you so sure you're awake? An awakened person wouldn't ask these type of questions, (s)he has no need of them.

[orb27]

You are still not awake. Having you believe you're awake is just another part of the deception. It's not difficult to prove. For example, I know this couple who are in their 60s. They have no Internet access, and don't even know how to use a computer. And even they are familiar with a lot of the things that are talked about in the David Icke forum, by self professed truthers. How are they familiar with these things? Because these things are being put out there by mainstream media - news, television, theatre, Hollywood, music. You are being manipulated and directed to think about and believe in these things, as the second to last effort to keep you from the actual truth.


Excellent post.

[verndewd]

What is the actual truth?

The actual truth is that there is a very angry god bent on destroying that which he creates if it doesnt fall into his tyrannical system of thought; I think, at least thats what I percive zealouts trying to get across.

[verndewd]

You are still not awake. Having you believe you're awake is just another part of the deception. It's not difficult to prove. For example, I know this couple who are in their 60s. They have no Internet access, and don't even know how to use a computer. And even they are familiar with a lot of the things that are talked about in the David Icke forum, by self professed truthers. How are they familiar with these things? Because these things are being put out there by mainstream media - news, television, theatre, Hollywood, music. You are being manipulated and directed to think about and believe in these things, as the second to last effort to keep you from the actual truth.

Rubbish :D

I have always hated TV , since childhood and rarely been into watching it at all. What I know from realizations and visions and research is that many people seeking an awakened state of being are doing a very apt job, and the condemnatory accuser against it all is religion.

If the word of god is written on our hearts and we seek it and find condemnation from mans secular idiots; how right are they for thinking that infinity is not written within but on paper designed to do everything but wake mankind up.

there isnt a religious fanatic alive today That I can say is awake. I havent met that person ever. I dont think that person exists within religion and if he does he is likely accused of having demons in him.

[justin_pushka]

Forgeting all the arguments over what awake means and, just assuming it means: awareness of the agenda or that somethings not right and you suspect its a conspiracy or have an open mind enough to look at it, Then there is one man I owe a dept of gratitute.

That man is .........Terry Wogan. I watched his show and the way David was treated. I never forgot it. I entertained the Idea that what David said was not totally impossible and felt that the audience laughter was so herd like it was almost like hearing canned laughter on a bad sitcom.

Later I saw the Truth Vibrations at my local library and read it and found out about all the interesting stuff some few people dont want you to know. From that time Ive met all sorts of interesting people and heard interesting ideas. As a result ive been enlivened and done interesting stuff with my life. Ive been able to flex my mind around all sorts of ideas some proove to be true others not so but my mind was excercised just the same and im glad.

Terry stood as a cheerleader for those who would stop you from flexing the mind and drew my attention to all polar opposites of this view. Nothing much compares to walking out on stage and playing music but seeing david comeback and put that fuckwit in his place and talk about the new american century document was fuckin really close. Its not good to hold gruges So Terry, thanks for helping rather than hindering the global awakening and thanks to david who willingly incarnated to suffer this fool infront of millions.

[displayname22]

The others choose to stay in the Matrix.

[verndewd]

being awakened means realizing there is an infinite source within.

being fully awake is having learned to utilize that as your gifts define.

So unfortunately none of us are fully awake but we are mostly in the awakening stage.

take waking up in the every day, it starts with the alarm clock. Well we are inundated with alarms, most think its time to pay attention to the news or get politically active, but a few of us realize after going through all of that that were missing the big pool inside our spirits, and when we see it we realize , yes this is what I was looking for.

[justin_pushka]

being awakened means realizing there is an infinite source within.

being fully awake is having learned to utilize that as your gifts define.

So unfortunately none of us are fully awake but we are mostly in the awakening stage.

take waking up in the every day, it starts with the alarm clock. Well we are inundated with alarms, most think its time to pay attention to the news or get politically active, but a few of us realize after going through all of that that were missing the big pool inside our spirits, and when we see it we realize , yes this is what I was looking for.

Yep and when you put it like that it makes me realise how much bloody work is ahead.

[orb27]

being awakened means realizing there is an infinite source within.

being fully awake is having learned to utilize that as your gifts define.

So unfortunately none of us are fully awake but we are mostly in the awakening stage.

take waking up in the every day, it starts with the alarm clock. Well we are inundated with alarms, most think its time to pay attention to the news or get politically active, but a few of us realize after going through all of that that were missing the big pool inside our spirits, and when we see it we realize , yes this is what I was looking for.


Yep and when you put it like that it makes me realise how much bloody work is ahead.


Utter rubbish! :eek:

[01cobravortech]

The others choose to stay in the Matrix.

I think you watch too many movies and are still playing Nintendo in the basement of your parent's home.

[verndewd]

Utter rubbish! :eek:

:mad: i see your rubbish and raise you ten bullox :eek:

[1964]

Rubbish :D

I have always hated TV , since childhood and rarely been into watching it at all. What I know from realizations and visions and research is that many people seeking an awakened state of being are doing a very apt job, and the condemnatory accuser against it all is religion.

If the word of god is written on our hearts and we seek it and find condemnation from mans secular idiots; how right are they for thinking that infinity is not written within but on paper designed to do everything but wake mankind up.

there isnt a religious fanatic alive today That I can say is awake. I havent met that person ever. I dont think that person exists within religion and if he does he is likely accused of having demons in him.

By saying you hate television, you only prove the point even further. By condemning religion, you only prove the point even further again. How so? I'm someone who meets, and talks with a lot of people. And I can tell you right now that people who love television, and who love their religions, are learning and repeating the identical things that you are. You sound no different than a lot of Catholics, and Protestants; and atheists whose altars have become their television sets. How is that possible? Simple. It's because at the very top of the pyramid, your ultimate source of truth and information is no different than that of my neighbour's who attends Catholic mass every Sunday, and thinks David Icke is a loon; or the retired couple who doesn't know how to use a computer, but who thinks CNN is an honest source of news. You are all being fed the same lies, and it's not a difficult thing for me to determine, since you all repeat the identical lies over and over again. That would no be possible, unless you were all being fed these lies by the same ultimate source of lies.

[displayname22]

I think you watch too many movies and are still playing Nintendo in the basement of your parent's home.

I think you want my ass.

[groupofone]

Hello happy people :)

[01cobravortech]

I think you want my ass.

IMHO you aren't a very attractive guy. But I'm sure some guy out there thinks so.

[verndewd]

By saying you hate television, you only prove the point even further. By condemning religion, you only prove the point even further again.


How so? I'm someone who meets, and talks with a lot of people. And I can tell you right now that people who love television, and who love their religions, are learning and repeating the identical things that you are.

using your religiosity here " the word of god is written on all hearts" You think good people gravitate to knowledge because of the television? This is insulting and I think you intended it to be so, I think you truly believe that your view is correct above all views and further more you may even have a natural knack for reverse psychology that you know you have been prostituting out in the name of sunday tithe receptions. I think you are a very manipulative person and you know it.



You sound no different than a lot of Catholics, and Protestants; and atheists whose altars have become their television sets. How is that possible? Simple. It's because at the very top of the pyramid, your ultimate source of truth and information is no different than that of my neighbour's who attends Catholic mass every Sunday, and thinks David Icke is a loon; or the retired couple who doesn't know how to use a computer, but who thinks CNN is an honest source of news.
Heres the deal mr I know what is true and not; Youre wrong. You sound like inquisitors dressed as sheep. You sit there in some false religiosity euphoria pretending to be christ like when you wouldnt know christ like from a supository or a barium enema. Its a tool for manipulation for you to get converts and followers and to be a dead man that you assume is who you think he is.
Riddle me this , how is it you can know so much more than anyone else when your sources are limited to a few chapters of "cannonized bullshit" and the perscribed transliteral accoutriments? You might know jack my friend but you dont know shit.



You are all being fed the same lies, and it's not a difficult thing for me to determine, since you all repeat the identical lies over and over again. That would no be possible, unless you were all being fed these lies by the same ultimate source of lies.

All of this accusation from a benign and docile mindfuck agent but its you pointing the finger with three pointing back, and I dont like displacement so if you want to remove the log from your eye, ill keep removing the specks from mine as I have been doing all my life.

When I am inspired to know something and I come to know it and you say its from the television you are a liar.


I think you have proven alot right there. You call that duplicitous idiocy reasoning? Aside from being horrendously hypocritical thats the most ridiculous attack I have had here to date.

Good job! you have earned the title of head mind fuck of the day.

You read a few replies in a post and can get all that intimate knowledge about me from it? And I am being fed lies? boy you are deluded. You can blow that smoke up any 5th graders ass you want to but it rates for absolute garbage in my book. See I have spoken to alot of people as well and the ones not involved in that abomination called religiosity or television seem to be alot more genuine and more organic in a sense that they abide in their persuits in spirit and creation and learn from nature as well as sensibility.

By comparison it seems as trhough youre ready to join the inquisition, your scope of realization couldnt be any narrower. And you dont have shit pegged on me , you couldnt be more off about what you just typed.

[ignoranto_bliss]

The others choose to stay in the Matrix.

May i ask , are you homosexual by any chance ? :o

[displayname22]

IMHO you aren't a very attractive guy. But I'm sure some guy out there thinks so.

Neither is your mom but I'm sure somebody wants her to? :eek:

[displayname22]

May i ask , are you homosexual by any chance ? :o

People choose to stay in the dream world because the truth is too much to handle? Would that answer have been better or are you just bitter? Is that answer not good for you? So sorry. :confused:

[ignoranto_bliss]

People choose to stay in the dream world because the truth is too much to handle? Would that answer have been better or are you just bitter? Is that answer not good for you? So sorry. :confused:

ITs all good :) . You take it as if i was against you , im not . Im against truthers-liars/moneymakers , that is only thing im against , make it two :)

[1964]

using your religiosity here " the word of god is written on all hearts" You think good people gravitate to knowledge because of the television? This is insulting and I think you intended it to be so, I think you truly believe that your view is correct above all views and further more you may even have a natural knack for reverse psychology that you know you have been prostituting out in the name of sunday tithe receptions. I think you are a very manipulative person and you know it.



Heres the deal mr I know what is true and not; Youre wrong. You sound like inquisitors dressed as sheep. You sit there in some false religiosity euphoria pretending to be christ like when you wouldnt know christ like from a supository or a barium enema. Its a tool for manipulation for you to get converts and followers and to be a dead man that you assume is who you think he is.
Riddle me this , how is it you can know so much more than anyone else when your sources are limited to a few chapters of "cannonized bullshit" and the perscribed transliteral accoutriments? You might know jack my friend but you dont know shit.




All of this accusation from a benign and docile mindfuck agent but its you pointing the finger with three pointing back, and I dont like displacement so if you want to remove the log from your eye, ill keep removing the specks from mine as I have been doing all my life.

When I am inspired to know something and I come to know it and you say its from the television you are a liar.


I think you have proven alot right there. You call that duplicitous idiocy reasoning? Aside from being horrendously hypocritical thats the most ridiculous attack I have had here to date.

Good job! you have earned the title of head mind fuck of the day.

You read a few replies in a post and can get all that intimate knowledge about me from it? And I am being fed lies? boy you are deluded. You can blow that smoke up any 5th graders ass you want to but it rates for absolute garbage in my book. See I have spoken to alot of people as well and the ones not involved in that abomination called religiosity or television seem to be alot more genuine and more organic in a sense that they abide in their persuits in spirit and creation and learn from nature as well as sensibility.

By comparison it seems as trhough youre ready to join the inquisition, your scope of realization couldnt be any narrower. And you dont have shit pegged on me , you couldnt be more off about what you just typed.

My personal view of truth and reality was as false as your own is still. I was as convinced as you are right now that I knew the truth. It was only when Christ lifted the veil of blindness from my mind that I finally understood. I finally understood that the deception is so powerful, no human being possesses any power of his own to be able to see through it. This is one of the ways I can tell now when I'm talking with someone who isn't truly awake. When Christ lifted that veil from my mind, the break from this false reality was so extreme, I thought my mind itself was going to break from suddenly being able to see the real world. If you had been through it, you wouldn't be filled with so much pride, arrogance, and anger. Like me, you too would realize that we have no power of our own to see through the deception. And you would finally understand, like I finally understand, that this leaves us with nothing to brag about.

I'm pretending to be Christ, you say? Then you're really not listening, are you? If I were pretending to be Christ, then I could take credit for removing the veil from my own mind. But in truth, I can take no credit for it at all.

How do I know so much? Again, that's nothing I can brag about. To put in a way that might make sense to you, I took the path that you're still on. But I travelled the path hard, and fast - very fast. Meaning, I reached the end of it before you, and saw what's at the end of it. At first, I didn't understand where I was because I still couldn't see. I could sense something was seriously wrong, but I was still blind. But when I asked Christ to please show me what this place was, He showed me. I was hanging over the lake of fire by this rope, and when I looked up, I could see that the rope was on fire.

I don't have to know you to know whether what you say is the truth, or lies. I only need to know the truth. And you can rant and rave if that's what you feel you need to do, but it doesn't change the fact that the religious folk who you condemn are learning the identical lies that you are from sitting in their churches; and that others are again learning the identical lies by merely believing their television sets. There is nothing special about the lies that you've been told - the identical lies are global, they ARE the religion of the New World Order. And you are a member, trapped in the same revolving door as billions of others, because you continue to reject the Only One Who can set you free.

[1964]

being awakened means realizing there is an infinite source within.

being fully awake is having learned to utilize that as your gifts define.

So unfortunately none of us are fully awake but we are mostly in the awakening stage.

take waking up in the every day, it starts with the alarm clock. Well we are inundated with alarms, most think its time to pay attention to the news or get politically active, but a few of us realize after going through all of that that were missing the big pool inside our spirits, and when we see it we realize , yes this is what I was looking for.

"Infinite source within". What does that mean, seriously? Power within; source within; look within. I know Who it is I believe in. I've stood in Christ's presence, I've heard His voice, I continue to witness His miracles, He answers my prayers daily, He saves me, He heals me, He protects me, He comforts me. But what proof do you have of the things you've been led to believe? Are you so indifferent to the truth that really couldn't be bothered to ask for proof from the people who told you these lies? Because in that case, how are you any different from the good Catholic who obeys his priests and popes as though they were God? How are you any different from the masses of Protestants who all follow their pastors in different directions? You're as deceived as they are. And why? Because like them, you've trusted other mere human beings as your ultimate source of truth. Human beings who are as sure to be deceived as any of us who walk apart from Jesus Christ.

"Infinite source within". To do what? To halt the NWO in its tracks? To evade your own death? To save the world?

[verndewd]

My personal view of truth and reality was as false as your own is still. I was as convinced as you are right now that I knew the truth. ever hear of science? I generally stick to whats provable and hope for what hasnt been proven; you see in in reality ideas of god and science are one in the same


It was only when Christ lifted the veil of blindness from my mind that I finally understood. I finally understood that the deception is so powerful, no human being possesses any power of his own to be able to see through it. This is one of the ways I can tell now when I'm talking with someone who isn't truly awake. When Christ lifted that veil from my mind, the break from this false reality was so extreme, I thought my mind itself was going to break from suddenly being able to see the real world. If you had been through it, you wouldn't be filled with so much pride, arrogance, and anger. Like me, you too would realize that we have no power of our own to see through the deception. And you would finally understand, like I finally understand, that this leaves us with nothing to brag about.

So your own rationalization did nothing? I dont like talking christ with religiousity based so called christians because they dont understand the concept even though its very clearly illuminated by jesus.


I'm pretending to be Christ, you say? Then you're really not listening, are you? If I were pretending to be Christ, then I could take credit for removing the veil from my own mind. But in truth, I can take no credit for it at all. No I said youre trying to be a dead man. huge difference. If you were trying to be christ youd understand what I was talking about.


How do I know so much? You only perceive what is known and you perceive a small part of what is known as reality. Like the rest of those you call athiests and pagans and catholics. :eek:

Again, that's nothing I can brag about. To put in a way that might make sense to you, I took the path that you're still on. But I travelled the path hard, and fast - very fast. Meaning, I reached the end of it before you, and saw what's at the end of it. At first, I didn't understand where I was because I still couldn't see. I could sense something was seriously wrong, but I was still blind. But when I asked Christ to please show me what this place was, He showed me. I was hanging over the lake of fire by this rope, and when I looked up, I could see that the rope was on fire.

I bet god gave you all the ego in the family :rolleyes: reached the path before me, dewd your ego is out there as much as any fanatic like jones or manson. You presumptuous twit !!! youre so filled with your dogma it has blinded you. You make judgements on my life not even knowing me? Fuck dewd bring in the ironmaidens and let the inquisition begin.
To be honest youre so yesteryear for me and so convinced youre right its not even worthwhile to combat this point for point on your failings and misconceptions because youd refuse to see them anyway.


I don't have to know you to know whether what you say is the truth, or lies. I only need to know the truth. And you can rant and rave if that's what you feel you need to do, but it doesn't change the fact that the religious folk who you condemn are learning the identical lies that you are from sitting in their churches; and that others are again learning the identical lies by merely believing their television sets. There is nothing special about the lies that you've been told - the identical lies are global, they ARE the religion of the New World Order. And you are a member, trapped in the same revolving door as billions of others, because you continue to reject the Only One Who can set you free.

sounds like that israeli dicksuckin hagee. dewd dont talk to me anymore man you have a long road ahead and i dont have the patience for your milk only diet plan. Youre a newb you dont realize shit about adulthood in christ and I cant lead you to waters you think is sand.

I hope you get it some day, but if you dont there is the area beneath the throne, have fun with that.

[energi]

Sounds weird saying start of the century but until someone comes up with an Eighties, Nineties type word for 2000-2009 that doesn't sound stupid, I'm sticking with it. Actually, make that til 2019.

Double-zeros, early 2000's? (The 00's)

I believe there are some linguistic rules actually about how you say those decades in relation to what time you're living in yeself... At least I remember reading about that last year, somewhere :eek:

[lt72]

I put my awakening down to not taking any notice of teachers at school and basically staying away from classes. I've never watched much television either, always bored the shit out of me. I was always asking questions about who we are and why we are here, the answers I'd get back never stood with me.

[shampa]

The awakening of people differs with respect to where they live , what kind of work they do,what kind of person the individual is,What accept of life the person thinks of changing etc.
First of all the awakening is need to done on basic ground level issuses like Global warming.which is a great concern for our future.we could contribute our part by taking care of simple things at home.
Less use of Plastic,Less use of Paper,Shorting n disposing our garbage.
On the other hand helping mankind by social services is another kind of Awakening.
Its all upto us,how when and where we do our part for this beautiful World and for us.

[verndewd]

The awakening of people differs with respect to where they live , what kind of work they do,what kind of person the individual is,What accept of life the person thinks of changing etc.
First of all the awakening is need to done on basic ground level issuses like Global warming.which is a great concern for our future.we could contribute our part by taking care of simple things at home.
Less use of Plastic,Less use of Paper,Shorting n disposing our garbage.
On the other hand helping mankind by social services is another kind of Awakening.
Its all upto us,how when and where we do our part for this beautiful World and for us.

I have said as much already.

[anonymous240610]

You must find your OWN truth, if you follow a path someone else took to become 'awake' you are doing nothing but pursuing a life you told yourself you had escaped.


I believe this to be true. I don't believe anyone to be awake around me if they are just believing what I say. That is why even though there was people around me who "believed" me I still felt alone because I felt as though they weren't awake. But I was guided by spirit to find someone like me that is awake and woke up on their own, and then I no longer felt alone.

I woke up because I haven't watched TV in over 10 years and have never watched the news because inside of me I always felt it was propoganda even though I could not explain it.

Even after this though, I only woke up because spirit was throwing things at me to make me see the truth and eventually I listened. So, basically I woke up because of 2 things:

1) I am not influenced by TV
2) I am able to recognise when spirit is guiding me and able to follow that guidance

As more and more of us wake up however, it will be easier for others so they will not need to be able to recognise when spirit is guiding them, they will see the truth for themselves.

I wouldn't have woken up by reading David Icke... how do I know this?

I was told ALL of this information about the illuminati and tv mind control 10 years ago, all at the same time that I was abducted by greys and saw my friends features blend into a reptilian, but still it was only 2 weeks ago that I woke up. Its as if all of this information that I had meant NOTHING until 2 weeks ago, and then I don't know why, but suddenly I understood. It was VERY hard to come to terms with, but I'm getting better at it.

Yes I describe it as awake because for me it very much feels as though I have been asleep all of my life and have now only woken up to the truth of the world

If you aren't fully awake but you are AWARE then you are heading in the right direction.

I tell EVERYONE NOT TO believe me. I tell them only to take what I say, and find the truth in themselves and from their own experiences, don't try and wake up from my experiences, cause it won't work.