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the apprentice
01-02-2010, 12:39 PM
Vote UKIP and get rid of the police state

Nigel Farage warns of euro meltdown - YouTube

And a year on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPrlQv8qwtI&feature=PlayList&p=E9D38FFB28B8976C&index=0&playnext=1

bluefeather
01-02-2010, 01:04 PM
I already had it in mind to vote ukip; they appear to be more pro democracy than the usual 3 contenders, problem is getting people out there out of their comfort zones.:(

flox
01-02-2010, 01:09 PM
I would vote, but I have no confidence in the system actually acknowledging my vote.

Also, Hillary Clinton was joking with David Milliband when she said that he would have to do it before May when asked if she would like to visit his Foreign Secretary residence (Daily Mail). It's all one big game.

uksecretcourts
01-02-2010, 01:11 PM
I did vote UKIP last time.
And now we've got mostly independents and UKIP councillors. :D

Our govt is possessed with control. CCTV in school rooms to monitor children.

The head of police forensics reckons they can identify criminals at age 5 years.
So if a 5 year gets into a fight over finger-paints, their DNA is taken and logged for future use.

Imagine getting a speeding ticket. "Your honour, this criminal was identified as a suspect in a confrontation over finger paints. He's a bad 'un".

bluefeather
01-02-2010, 01:17 PM
I would vote, but I have no confidence in the system actually acknowledging my vote.

Also, Hillary Clinton was joking with David Milliband when she said that he would have to do it before May when asked if she would like to visit his Foreign Secretary residence (Daily Mail). It's all one big game.


your vote cannot be acknowledged if you do not vote. ;)
ANY vote against the main 3 villians reduces their overall impact, whilst no vote essentially gives those in power a free vote.

flox
01-02-2010, 01:23 PM
your vote cannot be acknowledged if you do not vote. ;)
ANY vote against the main 3 villians reduces their overall impact, whilst no vote essentially gives those in power a free vote.

But how can I be sure it's not a fixed game, with illusions of democracy?

the apprentice
01-02-2010, 01:25 PM
There are times when we get too big before a collapse, we all need to be independant and look after our own, this is my greatest belief which I would die to protect, what we are seeing is like the excerpt from Braveheart where he says.

Braveheart In Defiance Of The English Tyranny! BRAVO - YouTube

Its not about violence its about respect for the whole, if we are not one we are nothing.

subl1minal
01-02-2010, 01:25 PM
But how can I be sure it's not a fixed game, with illusions of democracy?

I'm shocked anyone thinks any votes against Labour/Tories will make any kind of difference.

rydeon
01-02-2010, 01:31 PM
UKIP are the fluffly bunny party and want to remain in the NWO UN and NATO and offered to disband in order to get a referendum on the Lisburn treaty.
They won't respond to any detail on their policies for the UK industry or the big picture on what direction the UK should take.

Voted UKIP for the Euro MEPs back 05 but they haven't achieved anything.

They are a blow-off valve for any nationalist vote and suck away votes from the BNP.

the apprentice
01-02-2010, 01:33 PM
But how can I be sure it's not a fixed game, with illusions of democracy?

We cannot, but what we can see is the changes if any have been made initially,we need a system like the Swiss or similar to that where we can vote them out in sharp time if they do not hold their promisses firm, this kind of system breeds better more loyal subjects, I say subject because they are ours not us theirs, we all need to the changes we want to see.

The only government that was worth its weight in gold was the 1939 party of capitulation during not after WW2, every government since has renaged on its promises, how much longer are we going to be treated this way, if you have a shirker in your company you would get rid of them.

We always try to make things much more difficult than we need, its not down to who wins, its the fact that we all need to works as one or as close to this traight as possible.

the apprentice
01-02-2010, 01:36 PM
UKIP are the fluffly bunny party and want to remain in the NWO UN and NATO and offered to disband in order to get a referendum on the Lisburn treaty.
They won't respond to any detail on their policies for the UK industry or the big picture on what direction the UK should take.

Voted UKIP for the Euro MEPs back 05 but they haven't achieved anything.

They are a blow-off valve for any nationalist vote and suck away votes from the BNP.

They are the funny bunny party in the making but people could do no worse than any other party on the market, if we cannot get the answers we need, then we need to ask those questions before we vote, we need to start doing some of our own work and research before we do so.

That's why I say we need to come home, its not for the want of trying, if you listen to Farage and the interview you can see that they are against him, blocking everything he puts forward and no one is listening over there and its not working, we are throwing funny money at nothing, it will not work like the climategate issue it will all end in either war or nought.

We need a common rule here and now not in the annals of Brussels.

spragga_benz
01-02-2010, 01:49 PM
I did vote UKIP last time.
And now we've got mostly independents and UKIP councillors. :D

Our govt is possessed with control. CCTV in school rooms to monitor children.

The head of police forensics reckons they can identify criminals at age 5 years.
So if a 5 year gets into a fight over finger-paints, their DNA is taken and logged for future use.

Imagine getting a speeding ticket. "Your honour, this criminal was identified as a suspect in a confrontation over finger paints. He's a bad 'un".

Some of the violence that went on at my primary school, they could probably have done with CCTV in the classroom. That's what happens when your parents are drunks, drug addicts and gangsters.

the apprentice
01-02-2010, 01:56 PM
Some of the violence that went on at my primary school, they could probably have done with CCTV in the classroom. That's what happens when your parents are drunks, drug addicts and gangsters.

One day we might just have to stop the rot from within ourselves, when things have been exhausted we always turn back to the law of the jungle, when the state is seen to be protecting those doing the crimes the system in my eyes has failed the people and needs to be ammended for the beterment of mankind until we find a happy medium.

bornfree
01-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Excellent news that Lord Monckton has joined UKIP.

I remember Nigel "doing a number" on Blair a few years ago.

Tony Blair gets busted - YouTube

Priceless

snapdragon
01-02-2010, 03:44 PM
Voting is rigged in the UK. Only where it matters. Only in a minority of places, as that is all that's required. I have seen it with my own eyes, and the Police and returning officers couldn't care less and they just tend to smirk sheepishly. Probably Common Purpose operatives. The counting is held on council premises which are riddled with CP agents.

the apprentice
01-02-2010, 03:46 PM
Excellent news that Lord Monckton has joined UKIP.

I remember Nigel "doing a number" on Blair a few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grLmZGlzBW8&

Priceless

I really like what I hear from this guy and in many ways he is right, we need to start looking out for our own, how the hell are we supposed to carry on buying our votes through Europe because that's what's happening.

Take a look at a few statisticts.

75 % of our motor vehicle sales are forein, France has something like 75 % home made cars, same goes for many of the other countries in europe.

And the list goes on with our utilities most are now owned by either French or one of a many other, we are fast breaking appart if not totally already.

We need to change the lot, laws, voting techniques to come in line with many European systems but be independant, we are an island and have alweays been at a dissadvantage trade wise, the land is unevenly shared out and has over the millenia been stolen from the hard working peoples of ths isle.

We are being led round in circles for greed and money and its never going to end unless we are given back or take back our voices.

bluefeather
01-02-2010, 03:51 PM
Excellent news :cool:


Monckton joins UKIP
Thursday, 10th December 2009

Viscount Monckton, better known as Christopher Monckton, the journalist and author has today joined the UK Independence Party.

At a press conference in Copenhagen he said: "For some years I have been concerned that the democracy into which I was born has become a bureaucratic centralist state run by commissars who we, the people, do not elect, cannot question, cannot hold to account, cannot remove and cannot replace.

"Moreover, due to our membership of the European Union, most of the laws we cannot now rescind.

"People, through their elected politicians no longer have the right to propose law or decide on legislation and its amendments. Everything is now merely subject to the agreement of the unelected bureaucrats.

"No other party except the UK Independence Party believes that Britain should remain a self governing country. I have long been a friend and admirer of Lord Pearson of Rannoch. Now that he has become the leader of UKIP, the nation will take our party very seriously indeed."

UKIP Leader Malcolm Pearson said, "I am delighted that Lord Monckton has accepted my invitation to join UKIP as our chief spokesman on Climate Change.

"He was Margaret Thatcher's Special Adviser in Downing Street on a number of areas, including science. He is now perhaps the world's leading expert on the case against Man-made Global Warming, and as such is a household name in the United States and elsewhere.

"To have another heavyweight join us at this time shows how the party is continuing to grow".

djhooker
01-02-2010, 04:03 PM
would be interesting to see how many votes swing in their direction now monkton's on board.

the apprentice
01-02-2010, 04:31 PM
We now have a level headed duo in the UKIP, one for change and up front and one for good science, all they need now is a few new faces of unknowns in a few other categories, people who will have to proove themselves and we could have the beginings of a new ruling party for the hard times ahead, its in situations like this where an energetic party were to suceed now it could any time or situation in history.

If you look at what is happening today we are not under attack directly by an enemy but we at at war the world over and the money is draining fast from the people in order to supply the anger tank.

If we as a people just said no to our part in the war it would end, public oppinion is the weakest today than it has ever been, we need to rouse ourselves and tell the boys what we want instead of wasting a good vote for bad, its going to happen if we simply stood and and made every voice heard, the time will be this summer.

A party of members without alterior motives in outside intrests is what we need heading the country right now, not moonlighters.