Coming of the Antichrist

[ilatif]

THIS IS NOT AN ADVERT BUT A WARNING TO ALL MANKIND REGARDING CURRENT EVENTS

PLEASE DOWNLOAD THIS E-BOOK, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND REVEALING AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD TODAY!!! THE VATICAN HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY OPUS DEI AND THE P-2 MASONS AND THEY ARE SILENTLY USHERING IN THE ANTICHRIST!!!

Free e-book for all from the link below!!

http://www.waroftheangels.org/orderpagewota.html

In this book you will read how the author was guided by Jesus to write the book and how satan threatened him and his family should he write the books and then how he finally defeated the devil one night as he was attacked.

You will also learn of the coming rapture and how the devil is going to try and take over the throne of God here on Earth. This book was written 30 years ago and is COMING TRUE today, it is all backed up by FACT.

It proclaims that King Juan Carlos of Spain will most likely sign a 7 year peace treaty between Israel and Palestine a treaty that will cause WW 3, and that after the war, he will be hailed as the savior of the world, it also says that Russia will side with the muslim nations in order to allow the muslim nations to attack Israel, whilst Russia attacks the defender of Israel (the US) with a nuclear attack. Oil will play a key part in this deal with the muslim nations and Russia.
And that a few years after the war, microchips will be made mandatory that hold all your personal information (most likely voluntary at first), the microchip will have to be inserted within the right hand or the forehead, - it is the mark of the beast - NEVER ACCEPT IT, YOU WILL GO TO HELL IF YOU DO!

This microchip will contain all personal information such as passport info, bank details, etc, you will not be able to buy or sell without the mark in what will become a cashless society, that includes food, drink and essentials you need to live, to accept the mark is worshipping satan, and this is what he wants.

All people in the world will be forced to take the mark if they want to live, rich or poor, it will be very short lived however as those that accepted the mark will be condemned to hell after the second coming of Lord Jesus Christ.

Juan carlos has been actively seeking a peace treaty for the Palestine / Israel problem since as early as 2000, last year he won the coveted Mercury prize in Germany for creating a blueprint for the perfect peace plan for Israel and Palestine, in 2002 he met with the Ayatollah of Iran to discuss possible peace in the region. He co-hosted in July at a conference about world peace and accepting all religions sponsored by the muslim league, after having secured several lucrative trade contracts for muslim countries in Madrid, he also claim to be a "DIRECT DECENDANT" of Lord Jesus Christ, and has the title of "King of Jerusalem" after Opus Dei lobbied the Israeli parliament for restoration of an ancient rite, he is looked upon favourably by both muslim and jews and is in the perfect position to sign a peace treaty. He also is attending a conference in New York in November about interfaith relations, he also won the "Medal of Honour" from the newly formed European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation a couple of months ago, The King of Jerusalem, they say, is the most respected man in the world in the eyes of all nations for making peace, and the new Euro coin will have the face of King Juan Carlos of Spain. A one world government and one world religion is on the agenda.

In addition to this he fits all the Bible prophesies that point to the identity of the antichrist, such as his name adding up to 666 in 10 different languages, being born in Rome, the city that destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD, and also he is the "leader of the 11th nation to join the Revived roman empire" who (paraphrased from the Bible) will be the antichrist.

The Bible also states the whoever signs the 7 years treaty with Israel and Palestine will be the antichrist, and the world will see him as man of peace, (as you have read from above, he is already advocating world peace in a major way winning all sorts of awards)

Microchips have already been introduced to people, with people in Spain among the first to accept chips (it’s a yuppie thing). Now the Beijing Olympics are also introducing microchips into the tickets that will store personal information such as passport information, e-mail address, home addresses, etc in order to combat fraud.

Last year you saw the Russian president Putin siding with Iran, much to the fury of the US, and giving Iran full backing. Russia is also bragging how it could beat the US in a thermonuclear war, and there is much friction between the US and Russia these days for a large number of reasons.

Oil is being heavily sought after these days, the price of oil is going up and up, the world economy is a mess, whoever has the most oil has power, and that is why Russia will back the muslim nation to attack the US.

The EU is proclaiming the US is no longer a superpower as Obama is too weak to lead.

Spain now has the EU presidency and is aiming to get a peace treaty within 6 months. The EU is pushing hard for this. They tried to force a peace treaty on the two countries last year but Isael opposed it saying it would lead to war.

All this was predicated in the book "War of the Angels" This book is true and could save your life, and is FREE for a limited amount of time, to get your own free copy of this extraordinary book, click the link directly below, this book is being sold for at least $22 in shops paperback, but the author pastor Michael J Mullen is allowing the distributation of this book free in an e-book version.

The download link is

http://www.waroftheangels.org/orderpagewota.html

Simply save it to your desktop and register it over the Internet, simple!

Proof of Juan Carlos winning the Gold Mercury Prize in 2006 for “Peace and Security”

http://www.eligo.net/aboutus-management-ndesantis.htm

Proof of Spain (Juan Carlos) strengthening ties with muslim nations

http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=20730&t=1&c=38&cg=4&mset=1011

http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=10919&t=1

Proof of peace conference on interfaith relations held by Juan Carlos, sponsored by the Muslim League,

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/royal_family/King+Carlos-51504.html

If you need more proof let me know!!!

[amaralsright]

There is no anti-christ.

End of story.

There may however be wish-fulfilment because many many christians seem to be gagging for one.

[ilatif]

You can believe that tilll the cows come home, this book based on the Bible prophesies that is coming true dictates otherwise

[sodi]

how about you just summarize the best parts for us non religious folks.

[mikel84]

Beware of False Prophets (WORKING WITH ILLIMUNATI/NWO):
-Maitreya
-Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
-St Germaine/Galactic Federation of Light
-Obama/Antichrist/Lucifer

[pi3141]

Something very wrong with this, I tried to download the book but its ans exe file which you obviously must install on PC, not an ebook like a pdf file. I looked at the site and read the first part of the book on HTML. Not very impressive, its a fictional work and not very good at that IMO.

It advertises - you too can see the face of chirst - the Turin Shroud and you can see the face of the devil - a crude drawing taken from another source.

I looked at the forum and read a few posts, the OP poster here is a Pastor in the ministry ordained by the author. Not many other threads there.

Read some of the views on Amazon if you can be bothered, most are 6 or 7 years old (except this OP author who reviewed it lasst year) before that the latest review is 3 years old. They are talking about it being made into a movie but it doesn't seem to have happened.

They seem to be jumping on the bandwagon with 911 and other conspiracies.

To be honest - it gives me the eebie jeebies!!

Very weird - stay away.(my opinion)

I could say more but I'll refrain.

[ginge51]

You flot who believe in god.
Jesus christ (pardon the pun).
What has god done for you brainwashed, weak, people.
Have you ever seen god?
I know i certainly have not.
You lot are just simply brainwashed.
Brought up in a cult.
You need to snap out of it.
Seriously.

[rhydra]

Do FSM believers predict the coming of the Anti-Pasta? :p

[pi3141]

Do FSM believers predict the coming of the Anti-Pasta? :p

Is the Anti-Pasta the stuff that doesn't stick to walls when properly cooked?

'And ye shall know it because it won't stick to the wall when cooked'

[ilatif]

Thanks for all your replies, actually I'm the guy who reviewed it on AMAZON last year, if it is a book of fiction then why are ALL the prophesies coming true?

Also the e-book is copyrighted protected in e-book software that is why it is a .exe fle, but if you do not want to download it, you can just read it online for free, it gives you that option also. (where it says READ ONLINE FOR FREE)

The Prologue is boring, I'll be the first to admit that, but the rest of the book is much more juicy and goes into detal regarding Opus Dei, the death of Pope John Paul the 1st the day after revealing to the press he had uncovered a "Unholy Mafia" within the vatican who where embezelling teh chruch funds.

He is trasported to a dark world many times where God's angels and fallen angels are at war, he comes face to face and fights these angels, as well as satan who overpowers him, and he has to be save by the Lord. He also visits the "bottomless" pit mentioned in Revelations, and comes face to face with Jesus Christ.

DON'T buy the book, just get your copy free, as it contains two missing chapters. (The book was edited in 2005 with two chapters being omitted to make way for a film).

The face of the devil was drawn by as instructed by a member of the forum called Comorter who is an ordained minister in deliverence having excorsised thousands of people. It is NOT from another source.

The movie did not go ahead because of the authors beliefs (which is that being gay is an abomination to the Lord). contracts were signed and over half of the funding was raised, it look like the company was simply looking for a way out of filming it.

If you have a good look at all teh reviews on Amazon, including mine, you will see that out of 19 reviews something like 14 or 15 gives the book 4 or 5 stars, whilst the rest give it one or two.

Also a lot of the people writing the reviews BELIEVE!!

[logos880]

You flot who believe in god.
Jesus christ (pardon the pun).
What has god done for you brainwashed, weak, people.
Have you ever seen god?
I know i certainly have not.
You lot are just simply brainwashed.
Brought up in a cult.
You need to snap out of it.
Seriously.

I've never personally seen Pluto so I have concluded that it does not exist. :rolleyes:

[motleyhoo]

Because something is a "Biblical prophecy" does not make it true. People have been making these "the end is near" predictions for a thousand years, showing how this or that prophecy matched the current events of the time. You can take any one of the so called prophecies, and even the Book of Revelations, and make them apply to any time period in man's history. Human beings are a flawed and irrational species by their very nature, so it's easy for them to get swept up in these kinds of things looking for explanations of the unexplainable or in order to explain why humanity is so cruel and destructive.

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[ilatif]

You ought to read the book, and then look at the evidence, facts dictate thatthis book is coming true, the author was commanded to write it by Jesus, and as a result the authors family was threatened and attacked bt satan and his minions when the author preceeded to do so.

I used to be an athiest before I read it!!

[arthurlydiard]

This website is becoming more and more hilarious with each passing day.

[infidelyork]

SO, let me get this straight. This Mullins bloke writes three letters to President Gerald Ford, then allegedly "rushes" the Presidents motorcade a little while later and is floored by secret service agents, but let off as he told them "It's Top Secret business!" and two months later,

the President of the United States declassified all secret documents pertaining to the U.S.S. Indianapolis, several thousand papers, and ordered them delivered to my house.

I really couldn't be bothered to read any more after that.

[ilatif]

He actually had several publishing companies calling him to make deals with him regarding the book he was going to write, the said book got written by someone else and was a bestseller, he was eventually sent a letter by George Bush Snr to congratulate him for being a success story from being homeless to being one of the top computer analysts in the country.

God is SUPERNATURAL, with GOD behind you anything could happen.

Thanks for taking the time to at least give the book a shot though.

[infidelyork]

he was eventually sent a letter by George Bush Snr to congratulate him for being a success story from being homeless to being one of the top computer analysts in the country.

With respect, what has THAT got to do with anything? Besides, the book states he was "recognized as the top computer analyst in professional basketball."
I know little about the sport, but are you sure the award wasn't for being the ONLY computer analyst in professional basketball?

[pi3141]

He actually had several publishing companies calling him to make deals with him regarding the book he was going to write,


I'm not surprised, that would have been an extremely interesting book, shame for him he did not end up writing it and getting credit if the story about that is true.


God is SUPERNATURAL, with GOD behind you anything could happen.

I'm sure every believer understands that.


Thanks for taking the time to at least give the book a shot though.

Thank you for that comment. Very decent of you.


The face of the devil was drawn by as instructed by a member of the forum called Comorter who is an ordained minister in deliverence having excorsised thousands of people. It is NOT from another source.

I stand corrected, maybe that drawing which I have seen elsewhere is accredited to your forum member.


actually I'm the guy who reviewed it on AMAZON last year

I know, that is what I said in my post.


You ought to read the book, and then look at the evidence

It seems people on this thread are not convinced enough to read it. Maybe you could take the advice of one of the other posters (sodi) and present a summary and some of the facts here for people to read. If the book is free then your not giving anything away. I'm sure it would be appreciated by some.

I note one of the reviewers on Amazon likened the book and the authour to a cult, hope you are not being deceived and involved in something you can not get out of.

[pi3141]

the book states he was "recognized as the top computer analyst in professional basketball."


I noticed that too.

[ilatif]

That was supposed to be a summary of the book, if you want though I can post chapters of the book. Many people say that it is a cult, but I asure you that it is not, It is simply an online church based on the prohesies in the book.

We have a "Newspaper" that subscribes to several different sources such as papers in other countries and news regarding the EU, NWO, Juan Carlos, etc that keeps us up to date with what is going on, We also have a video section and a forum and THATS IT!!

No secret meetings, exclusion from family members or anything like that, it it simply an online ministry.

Basically the author was going to write a book about the USS Indianapolis and spent a lot of time and effort in researching it, he comes across one of the survivors who he interviews, who claims that Jesus (more or less) protected him in shark infested waters whilst other died horrible deaths around him.

After meeting the survivor, the author is subjected to a number of trips to a "dark world", his "spirit / soul" is pulled out of his body. The first trip his head is filled with thoughts of Pope John Paul the 1st and hears the voice saying "murder". The vatican has been taken over by Opus Dei and the P-2 Masons who killed the pope after he uncovered a group embezzeling funds from the vatican. A detailed history of Opus Dei is given..

On subsequent trips he faces fallen angels, the devil, and a visit to the bottomless pit mentioned in revelations. His family gets attacked all in one day by satans minions after he recieved a warning not to write the book which he ignored. Below is a segment from near the ending of the book, I hope that you get a good understanding of it.

I was asleep at 4:13 a.m. when my subconscience (spirit) warned me that I had stopped breathing. My spirit went into action, while my body remained asleep. The Beast was weaving a black shroud over my face, causing me to suffocate to death. It was not a finished cloth that was pushed into my face, but rather it was being woven around my head as I lay on my back. I watched the thin threads increasingly dim my view, as if I was being buried alive within this black shroud.

I knew I would be dead if I allowed the Beast to finish weaving my burial shroud, so I reached up with one arm and pulled a handful of the black web off of my face until I could breathe. As soon as I dropped my hand back to my side, the weaving continued. I saw the thin veil of threads thicken over my face, and as it did, my breathing stopped again. This time when I tried to reach up with my hand, the Beast pinned both arms to my sides, and I helplessly watched the black shroud nearly come to completion.


But instead of being fearful of the Beast trying to kill me, I suddenly became angry. I'd had enough. He had messed with my life for too long, and it had to stop. For some reason unbeknownst to me, I screamed (either aloud or in my spirit, I don't know which), "By the Power of His Blood!" My hands suddenly broke free from my sides, and I pulled every last thread of webbing from my face.

I saw the Beast directly in front of me. His body was that of a dragon, and his face was that of a swamp-monster with a cross-shaped tattoo stamped in the center. He was expressionless now, as if bewildered that I had attacked him. I did not fight him in the manner that angels fought, but rather as a simple man who'd had enough. I grabbed him with both my human arms, and although I felt his awesome strength, I lifted him into the air and slammed him down.

I felt him flex his powerful muscles beneath the scales of his skin, and I screamed, "By the Power of His Blood!" His muscles went limp and I pinned him to the ground. I was so very, very angry. I grabbed the back of his head and pushed his face into the ground. I recalled how he had once stepped on my back and gloated, "I Beat You! I Beat You!" as his tail dragged back and forth across me. This time, however, I was the one who stood and put my foot on his back. I pressed him further into the ground. I screamed over and again, "By the Power of His Blood! By the Power of His Blood!" It was like a magical phrase that made him frail.

Then the Shroud Man appeared and pulled me from behind and took me away, as a parent would pull a child off the neighborhood bully after an unavoidable fight, to take him home and console him.

It was the best post-ordeal feeling of any journey I had taken. The Beast had no power over me, not even in the flesh. I had learned how to make him feeble and helpless. He wasn't so tough, after allnot since I learned the magical phrase. I felt pretty relaxed when I went back to sleep. "By the Power of His Blood."

"By the Power of His Blood," refers to the spilled blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross. That single phrase is the most potent weapon to use against Bad Things. Its effect is complete and immediate. It's as if you are throwing a nuclear spear through the heart of Satan or anyone of his spiritual soldiers.

And that was my last trip to the Dark World. My last fight. My last encounter. To put into your hands the ultimate weapon at your disposal. "By the Power of His Blood!"

[ilatif]

He was in the NBA, the NBA is the basketball league in the US, it is a HUGE league, in a huge country, so I suppose there must be hundreds if not thousands of computer analysts in the NBA.

[kukulkola]

Well honestly, Zapatero could be the antichrist! There are parellels between Zap and Hitler really! Both were prime minister of a country that was ranscked by khazars! Zapatero is the head of the spanish workers party just like Hitler was the leader of the German workers party!

Zapatero is an anti-semite! He was the first to withdrawl troops out of the muslim wars! This in itself has the muslims on Zap's side!


Zap speaks with a powerful speaking voice, he has many many followers and people in his country would kill for him!



I believe Juan Carlos and Zapatero are up to something big in Spain!

[ilatif]

Is he pushing for a peace treaty between Israel and Palestine though? The treaty that will bring about WW3.

Does he fit the characteristics of the antichrist in the Bible?

Is he friends with Israel also to be a middleman that would broker a peace treaty?

Is he looked favourably by other nations such as the latin america countries and the EU as well as the muslims and Israel?

Hmmmmmmm

I bet the answer to all these questions is no

[motleyhoo]

You ought to read the book, and then look at the evidence, facts dictate thatthis book is coming true, the author was commanded to write it by Jesus, and as a result the authors family was threatened and attacked bt satan and his minions when the author preceeded to do so.

I used to be an athiest before I read it!!

Do you have any idea how many hundreds or thousands of people throughout modern history have claimed they were commanded by Jesus? I'm sure his family was attacked. Someone stubbed their toe, the electric bill didn't get paid on time, and their car broke down. Damn, that had to be Satan!

The problem with any of these prophecies is they have no frame of reference, so you can make them apply to any set of current events at any time. It's like people saying the end is coming soon because their prophecy matches up with all the conflict in the Middle East. Guess what? There has been conflict in the middle east, and a lot of it, for at least 5,000 years!!

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[sodi]

It sounds good and action packed. Imagine the pope fighting off angles in a dark world. Sounds really cool

I might read it just for that :)

[biblegirl]

hmm, i'm not really interested in the politics of it all, but the astral trips and demonic encounters sound really interesting from your description and excerpt

[kingmob]

fail

[amaralsright]

You can believe that tilll the cows come home, this book based on the Bible prophesies that is coming true dictates otherwise

Tell us something that is going to happen.

Be as exact as possible.

[yhwhschild]

There is no anti-christ.

End of story.

There may however be wish-fulfilment because many many christians seem to be gagging for one.

Not really mate as the true christians know the coming of the anti-christ means their death by decapitation

[rewind_bo]

You flot who believe in god.
Jesus christ (pardon the pun).
What has god done for you brainwashed, weak, people.
Have you ever seen god?
I know i certainly have not.
You lot are just simply brainwashed.
Brought up in a cult.
You need to snap out of it.
Seriously.

u ever seen oxygen?

[ilatif]

SOMETHING THAT THE BOOK PREDICSTS MAY HAPPEN - King Juan Carlos of Spain will most likley be the man sign the peace treaty between Israel and Palestine (Prophesised 33 years ago).

BREAKING NEWS JUST IN...

Jordan King Abdullah has flown to Madrid to ask King Juan Carlos to negotiate a peace treaty (Restart peace talks)between Israel and Palestine. Last year the EU tried to FORCE a peace treaty on these two countries but Israel refused as they said it would cause WAR. Juan Carlos already won the coveted Mercury Prize in Germany for creating a blueprint for the perfgect peace plan!

This will be the Covenant of Death. It is happening right now.

Source

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1528798.php/Jordan-s-King-Abdullah-heads-to-Madrid-for-Mideast-peace-talks

[ilatif]

SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE BOOK PREDICTS MAY HAPPEN - Excerpts from the books very last chapter (uncut chapter 2) - Jan 1st 2010 SPAIN got the EU presidency for 6 Months!!!

EXCERPT IS BELOW!! (I read this book back in 2002)

As acting President of the European Union, the living Antichrist will sign a Seven-Year Covenant with Israel. He will have already been hailed as the Champion of the Jews, Protector of Israel, and he will seem to be the perfect choice to usher in the Perfect Society with his signature. The identity of the Antichrist, will be the King who signs this seven-year peace treaty. The treaty sounds great to the average person, but to the Muslims and Jews, it is a matter of life and death to have control over their Holy City of Jerusalem.

The perfect solution to peace is a well-designed trap. They know that Muslims will never settle for anything less than having Jerusalem as their Capitol. They'll have no choice but to declare Holy War, since they can never peaceably regain their sacred Jerusalem.

The Arab Nations will approach Russia with a deal they can't refuse. They'll offer the Russians all the Arabian oil in the world, in exchange for the total annihilation of Israel. (On March 13,2001, the new Russian President signed a "weapons-for-oil" treaty with Iran. This is a prelude to the bigger oil-for-Jerusalem deal about to occur.)

To Russia, it is a no-brainer. The Arab Coalition offers them the greatest riches in history. Moscow accepts. But America will never allow Russia to attack Israel, so Russia must first eliminate America with an all-out surprise, nuclear strike.

So when European nations begin wondering HOW TO SETTLE THE DISPUTE OVER JERUSALEM, the time is near. They will sign a 7-Year Peace Treaty giving Jerusalem to Israel, and they will protect Israel with a European army to enforce the treaty. When they say "Peace and Safety" over Jerusalem, then World War Three will happen within hours.

[infidelyork]

SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE BOOK PREDICTS MAY HAPPEN - Excerpts from the books very last chapter (uncut chapter 2) - Jan 1st 2010 SPAIN got the EU presidency for 6 Months!!!

Well seeing as it's a rolling Presidency, with all Countries involved taking their turn, it's hardly surprising that Spain gets it at some point is it??

[ilatif]

Yes but it is Spain and juan carlos that the middle east is looking at to head a peace treaty

[batou]

u ever seen oxygen?

You can freeze it to a liquid.

[infidelyork]

Yes but it is Spain and juan carlos that the middle east is looking at to head a peace treaty

Hardly surprising seeing as he is 'King of Jerusalem'.

[kukulkola]

SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE BOOK PREDICTS MAY HAPPEN - Excerpts from the books very last chapter (uncut chapter 2) - Jan 1st 2010 SPAIN got the EU presidency for 6 Months!!!

EXCERPT IS BELOW!! (I read this book back in 2002)

As acting President of the European Union, the living Antichrist will sign a Seven-Year Covenant with Israel. He will have already been hailed as the Champion of the Jews, Protector of Israel, and he will seem to be the perfect choice to usher in the Perfect Society with his signature. The identity of the Antichrist, will be the King who signs this seven-year peace treaty. The treaty sounds great to the average person, but to the Muslims and Jews, it is a matter of life and death to have control over their Holy City of Jerusalem.

The perfect solution to peace is a well-designed trap. They know that Muslims will never settle for anything less than having Jerusalem as their Capitol. They'll have no choice but to declare Holy War, since they can never peaceably regain their sacred Jerusalem.

The Arab Nations will approach Russia with a deal they can't refuse. They'll offer the Russians all the Arabian oil in the world, in exchange for the total annihilation of Israel. (On March 13,2001, the new Russian President signed a "weapons-for-oil" treaty with Iran. This is a prelude to the bigger oil-for-Jerusalem deal about to occur.)

To Russia, it is a no-brainer. The Arab Coalition offers them the greatest riches in history. Moscow accepts. But America will never allow Russia to attack Israel, so Russia must first eliminate America with an all-out surprise, nuclear strike.

So when European nations begin wondering HOW TO SETTLE THE DISPUTE OVER JERUSALEM, the time is near. They will sign a 7-Year Peace Treaty giving Jerusalem to Israel, and they will protect Israel with a European army to enforce the treaty. When they say "Peace and Safety" over Jerusalem, then World War Three will happen within hours.

Zapatero IS the president of the european Union! i TELLS YOU ALL, WATCH OUT FOR SPAIN!!

[ilatif]

I take it he is the permanent president?

Thank you!!! Someone agrees with me: o!!!

[hey_jude]

Thanks for all your replies, actually I'm the guy who reviewed it on AMAZON last year, if it is a book of fiction then why are ALL the prophesies coming true?

Also the e-book is copyrighted protected in e-book software that is why it is a .exe fle, but if you do not want to download it, you can just read it online for free, it gives you that option also. (where it says READ ONLINE FOR FREE)

The Prologue is boring, I'll be the first to admit that, but the rest of the book is much more juicy and goes into detal regarding Opus Dei, the death of Pope John Paul the 1st the day after revealing to the press he had uncovered a "Unholy Mafia" within the vatican who where embezelling teh chruch funds.

He is trasported to a dark world many times where God's angels and fallen angels are at war, he comes face to face and fights these angels, as well as satan who overpowers him, and he has to be save by the Lord. He also visits the "bottomless" pit mentioned in Revelations, and comes face to face with Jesus Christ.

DON'T buy the book, just get your copy free, as it contains two missing chapters. (The book was edited in 2005 with two chapters being omitted to make way for a film).

The face of the devil was drawn by as instructed by a member of the forum called Comorter who is an ordained minister in deliverence having excorsised thousands of people. It is NOT from another source.

The movie did not go ahead because of the authors beliefs (which is that being gay is an abomination to the Lord). contracts were signed and over half of the funding was raised, it look like the company was simply looking for a way out of filming it.

If you have a good look at all teh reviews on Amazon, including mine, you will see that out of 19 reviews something like 14 or 15 gives the book 4 or 5 stars, whilst the rest give it one or two.

Also a lot of the people writing the reviews BELIEVE!!

I believe you and those others are making the prophesies come true ...you give them such credence it (negativity) becomes manifest. I don't believe it and therefore it is less likely to manifest in my life. Thanks for your concern.

[infidelyork]

I take it he is the permanent president?

Thank you!!! Someone agrees with me: o!!!

The Presidency of the Council of the European Union is currently Spain until July when it will be Belgium.

The President of the European Parliament is Jerzy Buzek who will serve for two and a half years.

The President of the European Council is Herman Van Rompuy for again two and a half years.

The President of the European Commission is José Manuel Barroso on a five year term.

[redorbluepill]

Jesus Christ please save me from those that believe in Jesus Christ.

The Bible has some of the most absurd reading I've ever had the amusement of going over. I mean this book really has it all. The Earth was created a couple thousand years ago in 7 days. An old guy built a wooden boat that carried millions of animals on it while the world flooded. You've got people talking to snakes, donkeys, and etc. Some guy takes out an entire army using a bone. The LORD sends 2 bears to kill 40+ kids for pointing out his prophet's bald head....and it just gets better and better. You've got contradictions all over the place; and yet what has it gotten us? Most crime is performed by the 'god-fearing', hell look at the Bible-Belt here in the U.S. You will find VERY FEW atheist/non religious in jail. I hate religion b/c of the divisions and violence it creates. I mean god damn people, use your fucking brains. Go pray to Jebus, and and keep up the babbling like a drunken poet.

[christuffer]

Let me know if they do a computer game version.

[real6]

There is no anti-christ.


There is so...

Antichrist - Official Trailer - YouTube

[metacomet]

Jesus Christ please save me from those that believe in Jesus Christ.

The Bible has some of the most absurd reading I've ever had the amusement of going over. I mean this book really has it all. The Earth was created a couple thousand years ago in 7 days. An old guy built a wooden boat that carried millions of animals on it while the world flooded. You've got people talking to snakes, donkeys, and etc. Some guy takes out an entire army using a bone. The LORD sends 2 bears to kill 40+ kids for pointing out his prophet's bald head....and it just gets better and better. You've got contradictions all over the place; and yet what has it gotten us? Most crime is performed by the 'god-fearing', hell look at the Bible-Belt here in the U.S. You will find VERY FEW atheist/non religious in jail. I hate religion b/c of the divisions and violence it creates. I mean god damn people, use your fucking brains. Go pray to Jebus, and and keep up the babbling like a drunken poet.

Not a single original thought in that entire post.

Well done.

[metacomet]

There is so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO-TNfPzh_k

Gross. Nothing about that was worth watching.

[ilatif]

lol

[sodi]

The first chapter was awesome :)

I really enjoyed it. I did not understand the prologue one bit. Maybe you can explain it to me lol

Sharks sharks sharks

[brizzal]

Do FSM believers predict the coming of the Anti-Pasta? :p

LMFAO!!!! I might have pooped a bit when I read that, but I was laughing to hard to care! I'll clean u later. Right now I'm going to indulge in some unholy culinary!! Going to eat a little brochette while chanting "tagliatelle con fungi" backwards!!

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by ilatif
You can believe that tilll the cows come home, this book based on the Bible prophesies that is coming true dictates otherwise

Still waiting for someone to tell us something that is going to happen so we know it's true.

Be as exact as possible.

[redorbluepill]

Not a single original thought in that entire post.

Well done.

Oh, I'm sorry; I'll be sure to send my post to you first so that you can make sure what I think hasn't been thought of and posted by others. :rolleyes: Thank you oh vicarious filter of orginiality.

[ilatif]

The Prologue is to do with the story of the USS Indianapolis, it was through investigating this story that the author came across Hfford Sharp, a survivor, he says that he saw Jesus and spoke to him and asked him to keep him safe in the shark infested waters.

P.S. Thank you for reading this Sodi

EXCERPT FROM THE EPILOGUE

Hafford was ready to die now, too. He could not go on. He had tried his best. Good thoughts had been eaten up by Bad thoughts. It was time to let go. He drifted away from the group, and he no longer had the power to fight the waves and swim back. Hafford was a Loner. There was only himself and the nearby fins, cutting the surface of the water.

His mind came to him long enough to converse with the nice Alien Man drifting in the sky above him. He was friendly to Hafford. He held out his hands to comfort him. He looked so fatherly, with his snowy-white hair and his thick white mustache contrasting against the nice tan skin he had gotten out there in the Pacific.

Hafford asked the kind Alien Man if he would be so good as to watch over him, while he took a nap.

"Do not worry," replied the Alien Man.

So Hafford got some sleep. He rested up amongst the sharks, while the Alien Man made them keep their toothy mouths closed.

March, 1976

Jacksonville, Florida

"I thought he had died," Hafford said to me, about Huie. "I didn't see him until we were already spotted, on the last day, just before sundown. I don't know where it came from, but a big, yellow raft fell from the sky and nearly hit me in the head. I pulled myself aboard and when a big wave pitched me up, I saw Huie on a raft, not too far away. We waved to each other.

"A PBY Catalina flew overhead and saw how bad off we were, so it crash-landed and pulled us both aboard its wings. They talked to us like we were babieswhich we were we had the minds of babies.

"I don't know how I ever made it. I'd drifted away all by myself for I don't know how long. There was somebody who watched over me that wasn't human. I didn't believe in that sort of thing before, but I became a believer, let me tell you. We are not the only life there is. It was a supernatural being that made me live."

And that's when Hafford leaned forward across his desk and first spouted to me about Bad Things. Introduced me to Evil. Scared me with talk about the rulers of darkness. "A Beast is coming to Earth," he said. "He's going to take over his Antichrist's body and people are going to be nearly terrified to death." He knew it as fact.

"And he's alive. He's here, right now. Not something far, far away, a long, long time from now. But now. I don't know who he is, or where he is, but I do know what he is. And what he is, is Evil, pure and simple. But he'll fool everyone, you see, because all the people who'll remain (after the Shroud Man shelters believers in the Cloud World to protect them) will be those who don't know any better. The people who'll have never paid attention to what was going on in the world. The people who thought the whole idea was a joke.

"But the Beast is real. He'll rise to power during your generation. Not my generation, but your generation. And that's why I believe I was kept alive. To tell you that."

[biblegirl]

interesting, thanks for posting that ilatif

[sodi]

I am not religious nor know that much on Catholics/Christians. Anyways, isn't it said that any appertains can be actual demons manifesting the forms of those deities ?

Maybe there is a chance that was he saw was not god but a demon taking its form ?

Anyways, I just finished the chapter where the alien being dragged him out to the dark tunnel. He had just finished telling the story of how John Paul 1 was murdered and what not.

Interesting stuff

[ilatif]

There is loads to this book Sodi, wait until you get to the Opus Dei / P2 Masons bits, and where he fights satan, see's Jesus face to face, and see's satan's final judgement, put into everlasting hell, FROZEN in time at the height of pain.

I have read it loads of times now, and I see the prophesies coming true, it's a fantastic book.

[the nine]

Tell us something that is going to happen.

Be as exact as possible.

it will go dark BEFORE the morning :p

[orlibonurb]

The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER....FORETOLD! (PT.1)
The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER....FORETOLD! (PT.1) - YouTube

The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER....FORETOLD! (PT.2)
The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER....FORETOLD! (Pt2) - YouTube

The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER....FORETOLD! (PT.3)
The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER...FORETOLD! (Pt3) - YouTube

The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER....FORETOLD! (PT.4)
The Formation of a NEW WORLD ORDER...FORETOLD! (PT 4) - YouTube

[subl1minal]

Ok my head wants to explode again.

Thanks for those videos orlibonurb

Edit: It was very interesting, but then his other videos are back to the typical Christian ''YOU ARE AGAINST GODS LAW''

Uggh.

[infinite_consciousness]

Don't buy into religious crap. This is another imprisonment of the mind that the illuminati created.

[amaralsright]

it will go dark BEFORE the morning :p

You are a profit.

[ilatif]

It's based of fact

[thenymph]

is the anti-pasta the stuff that doesn't stick to walls when properly cooked?

'and ye shall know it because it won't stick to the wall when cooked'

Ha Ha !!!

[ak87]

It's unbelievable how many people still fall for this religous crap!

EVERY single religion including christianity has been created to divide and rule.

I do believe in the next few years, the next part of the agenda wil unfold which is to convince every one that the bible prophecy is coming true so that everyone goes running to christ - DO NOT FALL FOR THIS MANIPULATION!

This website explains how EVERYTHING in this 3D reality was created by the serpent cult and how it is hijacking your true self and paradise state!

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

If anyone wants to find out the real truth,see this website.

[ilatif]

And people think I'M crazy, lol!!!

[clachan]

It's unbelievable how many people still fall for this religous crap!

EVERY single religion including christianity has been created to divide and rule.

I do believe in the next few years, the next part of the agenda wil unfold which is to convince every one that the bible prophecy is coming true so that everyone goes running to christ - DO NOT FALL FOR THIS MANIPULATION!

This website explains how EVERYTHING in this 3D reality was created by the serpent cult and how it is hijacking your true self and paradise state!

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

If anyone wants to find out the real truth,see this website.

All of this ^ is only info you have been fed by others.
Has it not crossed your mind that you may be swallowing dis info/manipulation too ?
These are Ickean ideas that you have swallowed hook,line and sinker.

[edelweiss pirate]

All of this ^ is only info you have been fed by others.
Has it not crossed your mind that you may be swallowing dis info/manipulation too ?
These are Ickean ideas that you have swallowed hook,line and sinker.

There's nothing much wrong with Ickian ideas.. it's the Jordanus Maxwellian ideas that I am more suspicious of.... some of which were adapted by Icke...

[clachan]

There's nothing much wrong with Ickian ideas.. it's the Jordanus Maxwellian ideas that I am more suspicious of.... some of which were adapted by Icke...

Yes,I use the phrase "Ickean" to incorporate the general ideas put forward that Biblical prophecy is "COMPLETE" nonsense.
In fact it is far healthier to maintain an open mind to all possibilities.
How can we say we know anything with 100% certainty ? In fact it is folly to do so,when shit hits fan it will be the ability to think on your feet rather than have pre concieved ideas put there by others.
All we can say is that people have opinions and theories that may or may not be true.

We will all have to decide what is deception and what is not, being open minded when presented with info is paramount.

So when someone says "dont fall for the deception" Im inclined to advise them of the same.

[sodi]

Regardless if its crap or not the book is pretty awesome. I really am enjoying it and I think you guys will 2

[infidelyork]

Regardless if its crap or not the book is pretty awesome. I really am enjoying it and I think you guys will 2

I'm not. I was going to stop after the first lot of bull about President Ford releasing top secret files to the bloke, but I carried on in the hope it got better. It didn't. I find it poorly written, even for a book of fiction. Perhaps I was hoping for too much.

[ilatif]

It's actually non-fiction

[orlibonurb]

ilatif, thanks for the link in your signature, will read it later.

[infidelyork]

It's actually non-fiction

*cough*

[ilatif]

Cough all you want, it's funny that the prohesies are coming true in this day and age, suppose you think that is coincodence?

Do you need cough medicine?

[inverselogic]

Cough all you want, it's funny that the prohesies are coming true in this day and age, suppose you think that is coincodence?

Do you need cough medicine?

Don't bother. All these so-called "open-minded" people have been totally brainwashed. They turn their minds off at the mere mention of this stuff. The zeitgeist project had its intended effect, and NO I am not just referring to the movie.

They think they are awake and aware. It's almost laughable.

They know that the world is controlled by lucifarians. They know that there are people who worked on secret plans which FAR outstretched their own lifespan, and conspiracies which seem to transcend human capabilities.

But, no. There couldn't POSSIBLY be something behind all of it.

[sodi]

To the original poster, I havent read the whole book yet but what is the next prophecy that is in line ?

[infidelyork]

Cough all you want, it's funny that the prohesies are coming true in this day and age, suppose you think that is coincodence?

You claim there are 'prophecies' in the book. Have you any evidence as to WHEN this book was written other than the authors word? I can only find evidence of its existence in 2001, no earlier than that. He apparently has used three 'publishers' all of them being 'vanity' publishers. His website is copyrighted 2009.
This version 'contains chapters missing from the original', so that's 'information added after the fact'.
WHERE is the evidence he 'prophesied' anything?

[ilatif]

I read the book im 2001 and everything he wrote has been coming true since then AFTER the 2001 edition.

AUTHORHOUSE is actually one of the largest book publishing companies in the US.

The website has been up since 2002.

The "Missing Chapters" are two chapters that were ommitted from the 2005 version and are from the 2001 version, they were omitted as the book was edited to make way for the film. I persuaded the author to add them back onto the e-book copy as I thought they were important.

[measle_weasel]

You can believe that tilll the cows come home, this book based on the Bible prophesies that is coming true dictates otherwise

Well THEEEERES yer problem! :rolleyes:

[ilatif]

To the original poster, I havent read the whole book yet but what is the next prophecy that is in line ?

Either King Juan Carlos of Spain will be making more connections / gaining more respect, or the peace treaty will finally be signed, Spain has the EU presidency, in the 2001 version is was prophesised that the treaty would probably be signed when Spain has the EU presidency.

Spain are desperate to do this before their term is up, they are trying to have this done by April.

You need to turn to Jesus with all your heart to be raptured and saved from what will happen (The great tibulation), the antichrist will rule and it will be HELL on earth, after 3 1/2 years satan will incarnate his antichrist, the false prophest will make an appearance and demand worship on the beast, and microchips will be made MANDATORY in order to buy or seel in the world (the mark of the beast will be an ECONOMIC mark).

If you don't make the rapture it is better to die and NEVER take the mark even if your family and friends are being tortured, as you will face the wrath of God.

Once satan is in power, the NWO, opus dei, illuminat, and all those serving his needs will be OVERTHROWN, he will boast that HE is GOD, he will take charge of the world (well try to anyway), he will arrange a battle of all battles at the vally of Meggido (Armageddon) were 1/3 of the world population will die when the four angles that were bound at the Euphrates river for a certain hour and day will be released, the east (most likley China) will march 200 Million men against him to do battle at the valley of Meggido.

[ilatif]

Well THEEEERES yer problem!

What that they are coming TRUE??

[beldazar]

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

If anyone wants to find out the real truth,see this website.

Lol. I spent weeks and weeks bumping my own thread on that website but not many people were interested. mind you, it was hard to get through and I never did finish it :o

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72585

[measle_weasel]

What that they are coming TRUE??

It doesnt really mean anything when vague statements come true, as they are not specific. Also, "bible prophecy" has supposedly been "coming true" for hundreds upon hundreds of years now. Every generation has thought they were in the end times, based on the vague details of a book written by men hawked off as "The Word of God".

We could be in the "end times", sure. But the bible sure as heck didnt precisely predict it, or really much or anything. A precise prediction would specify an exact date, or small range of dates. If you state a bunch of things without specifying a date, and just claim that some time in the future itll happen, if its vague enough, you are most likely going to be correct, as in at some point in the future, some event or series of events, will more likely than not be able to adequately fit into your open ended prediction.

To sum it up, there is always going to some event that could theoretically be what "bible prophecy" had been refering to. Thats why its so enduring, because its NOT clear about what it actually means, and could mean any number of specific events.

[measle_weasel]

Because something is a "Biblical prophecy" does not make it true. People have been making these "the end is near" predictions for a thousand years, showing how this or that prophecy matched the current events of the time. You can take any one of the so called prophecies, and even the Book of Revelations, and make them apply to any time period in man's history. Human beings are a flawed and irrational species by their very nature, so it's easy for them to get swept up in these kinds of things looking for explanations of the unexplainable or in order to explain why humanity is so cruel and destructive.

.

The quote above explains my thoughts on the subject pretty well.

[magenta_moonshadow]

You need to turn to Jesus with all your heart to be raptured and saved from what will happen (The great tibulation), the antichrist will rule and it will be HELL on earth, after 3 1/2 years satan will incarnate his antichrist, the false prophest will make an appearance and demand worship on the beast, and microchips will be made MANDATORY in order to buy or seel in the world (the mark of the beast will be an ECONOMIC mark).

If you don't make the rapture it is better to die and NEVER take the mark even if your family and friends are being tortured, as you will face the wrath of God.

Once satan is in power, the NWO, opus dei, illuminat, and all those serving his needs will be OVERTHROWN, he will boast that HE is GOD, he will take charge of the world (well try to anyway), he will arrange a battle of all battles at the vally of Meggido (Armageddon) were 1/3 of the world population will die when the four angles that were bound at the Euphrates river for a certain hour and day will be released, the east (most likley China) will march 200 Million men against him to do battle at the valley of Meggido.

So it's not a comedy, then?:p

[clachan]

'ello,'ello......Spains in the news this evening.

Cops beating up firemen i think.

[sofa king]

'ello,'ello......Spains in the news this evening.

Cops beating up firemen i think.

that was in the Book of Revelation too


"when the spreaders of water on the fire are attacked by the flatfooted ones with bad hats, the gates of hell will open"

It's all there.

[clachan]

that was in the Book of Revelation too


"when the spreaders of water on the fire are attacked by the flatfooted ones with bad hats, the gates of hell will open"

It's all there.

This what the English call...."taking the piss"

I cant understand why people cannot see that we are heading into a cul de sac.
It like the Titanic heading for disaster while all aboard are oblivious to their fate.

One question.....why do you think that Jerusalem is the epi centre of all woes ?
And the most likely place for nuclear conflict ? And that it was fortold 2000 years ago ?

I think your days of "taking the piss" are numbered.

[subl1minal]

This what the English call...."taking the piss"

I cant understand why people cannot see that we are heading into a cul de sac.
It like the Titanic heading for disaster while all aboard are oblivious to their fate.

One question.....why do you think that Jerusalem is the epi centre of all woes ?
And the most likely place for nuclear conflict ? And that it was fortold 2000 years ago ?

I think your days of "taking the piss" are numbered.

It sounds like you want it to happen.

[sofa king]

This what the English call...."taking the piss"

I cant understand why people cannot see that we are heading into a cul de sac.
It like the Titanic heading for disaster while all aboard are oblivious to their fate.

One question.....why do you think that Jerusalem is the epi centre of all woes ?
And the most likely place for nuclear conflict ? And that it was fortold 2000 years ago ?

I think your days of "taking the piss" are numbered.



there is a lot to think about in this matter.

but it is not as "black & white" as coming to the Icke forum and posting limitless NT passages.

[thenymph]

Who wrote the bible, anyway ? Who REALLY wrote it ?

[clachan]

It sounds like you want it to happen.

No,thats not quite true.

I have 2 kids aged 6 and 8,I wish it was not this way but it seems that it unavoidable.Ive seen it building up since the 70,s.

However I do hope that the present day rulers that exploit and abuse us,especially in poorer countries,are driven out by whatever means necessary.

My own view is that this will come about as is outlined in prophesy.
I like to think i see things for what they are.

[ilatif]

The reason the Jeruselumn is at the centre is because that is where the two Jewish temples were built, and where they were built stands the Al Aqsa mosque (the third most hioly place in islam), the jews pray at the western wall (whats is left of the second temple) for the third temple.

When the peace treaty is made, it will give Israel control of East Jeruselum, and they will want to knock down the Al Aqsa mosque tu build the temple.

The muslims will go mental and go to Russia will all the oil in the world to take out the US (the protector is Israel), while th emuslims attack Israel.

Just this month, the US declared that any attack on Israel would be considered an attack on the US, whilst China and Russia have warned nations from attacking Iran.

Already the Israeli giovernment are issuing it's citizens with gas masks, I think they might attack Iran (or someone).

[ilatif]

World War THree will be between the US and Russia, that will be the BEGINING of the 7 year tribulation, in this war 25% of the population will die, Armageddon will happen at the end at the vally of Meggido when satan is ruling (trying to) this world where another 1/3 of the population will die.

HE WANTS US ALL DEAD!!!!!

[clachan]

World War THree will be between the US and Russia, that will be the BEGINING of the 7 year tribulation, in this war 25% of the population will die, Armageddon will happen at the end at the vally of Meggido when satan is ruling (trying to) this world where another 1/3 of the population will die.

HE WANTS US ALL DEAD!!!!!

Have you ever visited "prophesy news watch .com" ?

I get a monthly news letter with all the relevent news regards end times,well worth a visit.

Isreal has finnished it largest ever civilian/military exercise called Orange flame.
Syria is now calling up reserves.
Its all going to kick off very some,this summer or sooner imo.

[subl1minal]

No,thats not quite true.

I have 2 kids aged 6 and 8,I wish it was not this way but it seems that it unavoidable.Ive seen it building up since the 70,s.

However I do hope that the present day rulers that exploit and abuse us,especially in poorer countries,are driven out by whatever means necessary.

My own view is that this will come about as is outlined in prophesy.
I like to think i see things for what they are.


Ahh ok :) I understand.

[infidelyork]

I read the book im 2001 and everything he wrote has been coming true since then AFTER the 2001 edition.

And yet there is nothing new in there that wasn't already printed in 1993 by Charles Taylor in "The Anti-Christ King". Do you have, other the the authors word, proof that his book was written prior to that?
As far as I'm aware, Taylor came to that conclusion without being 'a Prophet of God".

[infidelyork]

Now this is very curious.
I had a look at the 'War of the Angels' website using the Wayback machine. I found some rather interesting information cached from the site in 2002
http://web.archive.org/web/20020605042346/http://waroftheangels.com/index.html

Seems Mullen decided to change his 'sales pitch' of his book. The site from 2002 states:

War of the Angels is a TRUE STORY of the author's chilling journeys to a mysterious world of ANGELS at WAR. Mullen recounts ordeals of extraordinary supernatural encounters and prophecies. The author is instructed by angels to warn of an escalating Middle East conflict that will soon spread to all nations of the world--even to the United States of America--culminating into World War III and the coming of the Antichrist. And as bizarre as it may seem, while writing about the Middle East terrorists coming to America, he lived with Mohamed Atta and his cousins, who piloted the hijacked planes into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

So, while writing the book, he lived with Atta? Atta didn't arrive in the States until June 2000. Written 30 years ago? I think not.

And taking one more step way beyond coincidence, the author and the terrorists crossed paths one more time, when Mullen moved into a West Palm Beach, FL, apartment, the day after the terrorists checked out and headed north to blow up the WTC. That bizarre incident brought the FBI to the author's house to search for anything that the terrorists may have left under his bed, in his dresser drawers, etc. Living with them once was bizarre…twice, well that was supernatural.


Also curious how he no longer mentions this on his website? Why not? Is it because he now wants to push the 'I wrote this 30 years ago' thing, and can't do that if he drops himself in it by mentioning living with Atta in 2000?

If the book is 30 years old, why does the 'uncut chapter 2" have an entry from 1998 and one from 2000?

This is quite simply a rehash of Charles Taylors book and his ideas (who is now dead and therefore unlikely to complain, much.)

[magenta_moonshadow]

+1

Good find! :D

[ilatif]

It's pretty obvious that when the second edition came out in 2001 that is was UPDATED, it does not take a genius to work that out.

And so what if the sales pitch has changed? You forgot to mention that the ENTIRE site has changed, a new whole website, new forum, and video's page.

And it is NO LONGER a sales pitch, we are NOT trying to SELL you anything, I asked the author if he could put together a "Splash" page where visitors could come to inorder to download the book, I gave him my original post, but he put one together himself that warns of WW3, the peace treaty and microchips, which the "Sales Pitch" page did not. This is a DOWNLOAD page, not a sales pitch page.

I have heard of the book "the antichrist king", I though about buying it but went against it as it would not be able to tell me anything new, if you have read it, tell me does it warn about WW3? The peace treaty?, Microchips? The rapture? I serioulsy doubt it.

War of the Angels, is an online Christian ministry who are trying to warn people about the end times so they turn to Jesus and make it to the rapture, you say the book is poorly written and warn that it may be a cult, I think your just putting together reviews (negative ones) that you read at Amazon. I thought that the book was put together brilliantly, although the "george the cat" bits were a bit annoying.

If you don't turn to Jesus before WW3, I hope that you do after, because only HE CAN SAVE.

As usual there will be some people who believe and some who don't, I hope that you eventually believe.

[infidelyork]

It's pretty obvious that when the second edition came out in 2001 that is was UPDATED, it does not take a genius to work that out.
That doesn't cut it as an explanation, or even an excuse.
as it contains two missing chapters. (The book was edited in 2005 with two chapters being omitted to make way for a film).
Any explanation?
Missing chapters. Not 'updated'. Two chapters OMITTED in 2005. The book quite clearly states that one is the 'Uncut full version of the second last chapter' and the other is the 'Missing last chapter of War of the Angels' both of which refer to events in 1994, 1998 and 2000.

And so what if the sales pitch has changed? You forgot to mention that the ENTIRE site has changed, a new whole website, new forum, and video's page.
That does NOT explain why the site originally made no mention of the book being written 'a quarter of a century ago' and the claim was made that while the book was being written, Mullens lived with Mohamed Atta who didn't arrive in America until 2000.
Any explanation?

Also from the original 2002 website:

The leader of the evil angels threatened to kill the author and his family if he ever published War of the Angels.
Now at last, it is time to release this story--to warn YOU that angels and demons are about to escalate their celestial wars and spill over into the human realm.
So it wasn't first published in 1981 as Mullens claims then? Any explanation?

I have heard of the book "the antichrist king", I though about buying it but went against it as it would not be able to tell me anything new
Because you've already read the information in a book printed AFTER Taylors book was published.

if you have read it, tell me does it warn about WW3?
From what I recall, no it didn't. So what? Mullens is warning about WW3. I could write a 'warning about WW3', does that make me Gods Prophet?

The peace treaty?
Yes.
Microchips?
The only mention of microchips in Mullens book is contained in one of the 'uncut chapters' which was written at the very earliest, in 2001. Hardly a mind-blowing prophecy now is it? If it had been written 30 years ago that would be a different kettle of fish. But it wasn't.

The rapture? I serioulsy doubt it.
Thousands of people have written about 'The Rapture'. So what?

This is a DOWNLOAD page, not a sales pitch page.
And it is NO LONGER a sales pitch, we are NOT trying to SELL you anything
Apart from a 'Donate here' button on every page of the book.
Apart from the website having a 'Click here to make your Temple offering' button'.
Pray about being a regular contributor to WOTA Ministries.
This method was the idea of a WOTA Member who was led by the Spirit to help fund the ever-growing budget of WOTA Ministries. Simply pledge a monthly amount to be deducted automatically via PayPal. The most awesome part of pledging a subscription is that WOTA can actually put the pledge into a budget and count on it monthly.
Benny Hinn anyone?

We have recently entered the publishing industry
http://wotapublishing.waroftheangels.org/

Or what about WOTA Radio Network?
http://wotaradio.waroftheangels.org/broadcast_wota.html
What if you could broadcast a full, one-hour show for only $29.00?!

The 'book' is nothing more than a lure to WOTA. The entire 'War of the Angels' is a money making exercise under the guise of 'spreading an important message for free'.

I also see that you, Ilatif, are doing what you can to bring in the money for the Ministry under the charade of 'spreading the word' on WOTA's own forum:
http://www.cspnsports.com/wotaforum/vb/showthread.php?t=833&page=2

There are many ways that you can help with the promotion of this book, below are some ideas that I have used to good results;

Set up a WOTA page on a Social Networking site to promote the book

Post the promotional message above on religous forums anywhere

BUY the book as a present for loved ones.

Help the WOTA Ministry with funding be it monthly or one off.

You people are so transparent.

[ilatif]

Your clearly not a believer, so what if we have a "Donation" button, MOST ministries have that, we are not FORCING you to make a donation.

And the donation button on the book is for $2..

So what if a radio station offers air time to other potential buyers at a low price, it's aclled BUSINESS

as explained before 2 chapters cut in 2005 for the film, as there were no action sequences from the 2001 version.

QUOTE
That does NOT explain why the site originally made no mention of the book being written 'a quarter of a century ago' and the claim was made that while the book was being written, Mullens lived with Mohamed Atta who didn't arrive in America until 2000.
Any explanation?

Obvioulsy the book was being updated whilst he met the terrorists

QUOTE

Now at last, it is time to release this story

That is probably a sales pitch to spread the message as it IS important.

And as you can see we are making a fortune from the donations and radio station air time, lol

[ilatif]

QUOTE

You people are so transparent.


And your so blind and negative you can't see the wood for the trees. You just don't WANT to believe.

[infidelyork]

as explained before 2 chapters cut in 2005 for the film, as there were no action sequences from the 2001 version.
Those will be the 'updated chapters' then will they? I suppose it's quite easy to make a 'prophesy' if you have the option to update it. Strange how nearly all of those chapters have been 'updated' with information from 1994, 2001 etc. There can't have been much to them previously.

Obvioulsy the book was being updated whilst he met the terrorists
Obviously? The full text:
War of the Angels is a TRUE STORY of the author's chilling journeys to a mysterious world of ANGELS at WAR. Mullen recounts ordeals of extraordinary supernatural encounters and prophecies. The author is instructed by angels to warn of an escalating Middle East conflict that will soon spread to all nations of the world--even to the United States of America--culminating into World War III and the coming of the Antichrist. And as bizarre as it may seem, while writing about the Middle East terrorists coming to America, he lived with Mohamed Atta and his cousins, who piloted the hijacked planes into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

The only obvious thing is the BS.

[infidelyork]

And your so blind and negative you can't see the wood for the trees. You just don't WANT to believe.
What, I don't want to believe that a bloke claiming to be a Prophet of God wrote a book 30 years ago when the evidence is showing otherwise? You're right. That Internet Wayback machine is a swine for people like Mullens isn't it?

Negative? When it comes to people turning 'God' into 'business'. Very. Get back to your 'Gods Prophet' and take your advertising with you.

[ilatif]

I think you should stay away from conspiracy therioes!!

The reason I make such a detailed original post is because I know most people will NOT EVEN BOTHER to go to the site, so my original message gives them a summary of the book, thus a warning.

I don't expect people to download the book.

As for donations?? Lol, that would be a miracle!!

[ilatif]

The onlt "business" bit of it is the radio, and that is because we struggle to survive.

[subl1minal]

It's all another diversion from the truth. It's a shame.

[ilatif]

You can believe that all you want

[infidelyork]

The onlt "business" bit of it is the radio, and that is because we struggle to survive.
Don't forget the publishing...

In our short time in existence, we've picked up three books for traditional publishing, and we've already sold movie rights on two of them

[ilatif]

Yes one of them being the book I promote, the other called Angels of Lake Placid, about the bob sleigh team from Jamica.

The third was going to be War of the Angels two (based on fiction), but there may be not time for it to be written.

Are you trying to condone War of the Angels for having a publishing company, and a radio station that sells radio airtime to mostly churches for a low price as we are not on the air 24/7??

[infidelyork]

Yes one of them being the book I promote, the other called Angels of Lake Placid, about the bob sleigh team from Jamica.
I think Lynn Siefert and Disney beat you to that one with 'Cool Runnings' in 1993....

The third was going to be War of the Angels two (based on fiction), but there may be not time for it to be written.
You're not Mullens alter ego are you? You seem to have rather a vested interest in 'the Ministry' seeing as he only 'made' you a Pastor in October. Some bloke on the internet makes you "licensed as an official Pastor to minister to the Lord as he sees fit to do" because of your time spent on his forum. You realise how bloody meaningless that title is don't you?

Are you trying to condone War of the Angels for having a publishing company, and a radio station that sells radio airtime to mostly churches for a low price as we are not on the air 24/7??
I think you mean 'condemn' not condone.
And yes, I do condemn it, for the simple reason of yourself posting the same 'advert' on multiple forums to make people aware of Mullens and WOTA.

The reason I make such a detailed original post is because I know most people will NOT EVEN BOTHER to go to the site, so my original message gives them a summary of the book, thus a warning.
And yet you put a link to the WOTA site in the first five lines. It's called 'an advert'.
This isn't about promotion of a 'message' it's about the promotion of Mullins.

[ilatif]

You can believe what you want pal, your obviously an angry person who has been listening to too many conspiracy theories.

And FYI I have been posting the message on other forums WITHOUT the link or the name of the book as adverts are not allowed to make them aware.

I was made pastor in NOVEMBER not October, and have been with the ministry for nearly four years, and also was the site's columnist.

I could go on on an to prove that War of the Angels is real and not a "Scam" as you label it out to be, but you'll probably find some other pathetic way to attack, so I'm not going to waste my time.

You seem to have some anger issues, I'm not sure what they are, but just remember that "swine Mullen" when WW3 hits you in the face and you don't know what to do, the book you read will probably save your life.

Then again, you'll probably take the microchip and worship the antichrist regardless.

[harrypotter]

Thanks for all your replies, actually I'm the guy who reviewed it on AMAZON last year, if it is a book of fiction then why are ALL the prophesies coming true?

Also the e-book is copyrighted protected in e-book software that is why it is a .exe fle, but if you do not want to download it, you can just read it online for free, it gives you that option also. (where it says READ ONLINE FOR FREE)

The Prologue is boring, I'll be the first to admit that, but the rest of the book is much more juicy and goes into detal regarding Opus Dei, the death of Pope John Paul the 1st the day after revealing to the press he had uncovered a "Unholy Mafia" within the vatican who where embezelling teh chruch funds.

He is trasported to a dark world many times where God's angels and fallen angels are at war, he comes face to face and fights these angels, as well as satan who overpowers him, and he has to be save by the Lord. He also visits the "bottomless" pit mentioned in Revelations, and comes face to face with Jesus Christ.

DON'T buy the book, just get your copy free, as it contains two missing chapters. (The book was edited in 2005 with two chapters being omitted to make way for a film).

The face of the devil was drawn by as instructed by a member of the forum called Comorter who is an ordained minister in deliverence having excorsised thousands of people. It is NOT from another source.

The movie did not go ahead because of the authors beliefs (which is that being gay is an abomination to the Lord). contracts were signed and over half of the funding was raised, it look like the company was simply looking for a way out of filming it.

If you have a good look at all teh reviews on Amazon, including mine, you will see that out of 19 reviews something like 14 or 15 gives the book 4 or 5 stars, whilst the rest give it one or two.

Also a lot of the people writing the reviews BELIEVE!!


The fact that the authors believe that being gay is an abomination to the "Lord" can make someone suspicious as it's truly laughable but I am going to check this anyway because of its subject

I have always wanted to know more about the vatican behind the scenes, P2 scandal, Banco Ambrosiano Veneto, Blackfriars Bridge and the death of John Paul I (and actually JP II as well coz things don't add up for that too)

Thanks ilatif ;)

[infidelyork]

You can believe what you want pal
Oh dear, the 'Christian veneer' is starting to peel a little isn't it?

your obviously an angry person who has been listening to too many conspiracy theories.
Angry? By all means point out any posts where I have shown 'anger'. Does your 'Ministry' preach about ad hominem arguments? You know, that bit where you ignore the points I've put forward because you can't answer them and instead accuse me of being 'angry'?
What have conspiracy theories got to do with this? A scam is a scam, no conspiracy.

And FYI I have been posting the message on other forums WITHOUT the link or the name of the book as adverts are not allowed to make them aware.
Oh really?
http://www.the-cfch.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1550
http://wakeupproject.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=11761&sid=3b572a3934aaa561dc8b1b6d6e2eeba9
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:sZ1ltNpgzX4J:www.yanabi.com/forum/FindPost356914.aspx+%22ilatif%22&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
http://www.cyconline.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/19882-coming-of-the-antichrist-dajaal/?
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:ogGotM7tEkYJ:forums.bbad.com/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D97072%26sid%3D67d01b3b0ddabdbf b7a02b948c5119a8+%22ilatif%22&cd=64&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?/topic/10662-coming-of-the-antichrist-dajaal/

I was made pastor in NOVEMBER not October, and have been with the ministry for nearly four years, and also was the site's columnist.
By the 'Ministry' I take it you mean some blokes website? You know, the sort that 'just makes' Ministers?...

I could go on on an to prove that War of the Angels is real and not a "Scam" as you label it out to be, but you'll probably find some other pathetic way to attack, so I'm not going to waste my time.
By pathetic I take it you mean by pointing out that the entire time-line for the book is fiction and backed up by the original website that is still available on Wayback?
Go ahead. Prove it.

You seem to have some anger issues, I'm not sure what they are,
Once again, instead of implying I have anger issues (just point out the relevant posts) why don't you just give an explanation for all of the inconsistencies I have pointed out?

but just remember that "swine Mullen" when WW3 hits you in the face and you don't know what to do, the book you read will probably save your life.
A swine? Is he? I recall I stated that the Wayback machine was a swine for people like Mullens.

Then again, you'll probably take the microchip and worship the antichrist regardless.
And you are an ex-Muslim turned follower of a self proclaimed Minister and 'Prophet of God', I'd be more concerned about what's going to happen to you come the end.

[infidelyork]

I have always wanted to know more about the vatican behind the scenes, P2 scandal, Banco Ambrosiano Veneto, Blackfriars Bridge and the death of John Paul I (and actually JP II as well coz things don't add up for that too)

Well if you're hoping to find the information in 'War of the Angels', good hunting. You'd get more information spending ten minutes on Google.

[ilatif]

I post the link where I can, and if I can't I post an alternative message.

No anger issue's, lol, yeah right.

Being gay IS an abomination to the Lord, read your Bible.

You seem to think this is some sort of conspiracy to exhort money from people, which itself is LAUGHABLE!!

WOTA is a ministry that warns the coming of the antichrist in this day and age, and the pastor of that ministry ordained me.

The timeline for the book is fiction, really? Well read the original post and you will see it is based on FACTS, NO timeline is given for the anrtichrist to appear apart from it will be before the generation of Israel from 1948 will die out, and it will most likley happen when Spain has the EU presidency which is NOW.

What points have I ignored, I get the impression that YOU practically ignore all MY posts reveal and continue with your campaign against WOTA.

And thank you for your concern, but I probably won't be here when WW3 breaks out and the world is trying to recover from neuclear fallout.

[infidelyork]

I post the link where I can, and if I can't I post an alternative message.
No, you stated:
And FYI I have been posting the message on other forums WITHOUT the link or the name of the book as adverts are not allowed to make them aware.

Have you trained at the 'Mullens school of changing things to suit your purpose'? You have changed what you've said because you got caught lying.

Being gay IS an abomination to the Lord, read your Bible.
Who mentioned anything about anyone being gay?

You seem to think this is some sort of conspiracy to exhort money from people, which itself is LAUGHABLE!!
I think you mean 'extort'...

WOTA is a ministry that warns the coming of the antichrist in this day and age, and the pastor of that ministry ordained me.
And the Pastor of that Ministry ordained...himself, and is now proclaiming himself to be a Prophet of God, and gullible people like yourself believe him. Your reward? Being made one of his 'Ministers'. THAT is laughable....

The timeline for the book is fiction, really? Well read the original post and you will see it is based on FACTS, NO timeline is given for the anrtichrist to appear apart from it will be before the generation of Israel from 1948 will die out, and it will most likley happen when Spain has the EU presidency which is NOW.
The time-line I was referring to was 'when the book was written'. The Wayback machine proves the book was first published in 2001, NOT 1981.

I take it when nothing happens by July, when Spain passes the Presidency to Belgium, lots of excuses will be forthcoming? It's the same every time someone 'predicts' The Rapture or the end of the World, and they all end up looking a bit silly. The Jehovah's Witnesses have predicted the end of the World 5 times now. I believe they've given up guessing these days...

[ilatif]

The pastor is actually a BAPTIST and PENTECOASTAL minister, how can he have ordained himself? Now your making things up.

The wayback machine proves that the SECOND EDITION was written in 2001.

The copyright is from 1981 - 2005.

[ilatif]

QUOTE

And FYI I have been posting the message on other forums WITHOUT the link or the name of the book as adverts are not allowed to make them aware.

And that is NOT a lie, as I HAVE been doing that!! It is just that you have NOT FOUND the posts!! Your blatently tring to twist it to suit YOU see things.

[infidelyork]

The copyright is from 1981 - 2005.
Oh I see. He's typed "Copyright 1981-2005" so it must be true!

This is despite the fact that the original website states 'all copyright 2001'.

The original 2002 website says "now, at last, it's time to release this story"

The original website mentions he was living with Mohamed Atta whilst writing the book. Who didn't arrive in America until 2000

The chapters that were omitted contain references to 1998-2001

But he's written 'copyright 1981' on his book, so that'll do then....

[infidelyork]

QUOTE

And FYI I have been posting the message on other forums WITHOUT the link or the name of the book as adverts are not allowed to make them aware.

And that is NOT a lie, as I HAVE been doing that!! It is just that you have NOT FOUND the posts!! Your blatently tring to twist it to suit YOU see things.

Twist things?
You stated "And FYI I have been posting the message on other forums WITHOUT the link or the name of the book as adverts are not allowed to make them aware."
So I provided you with links to 6 forums where you have posted the link and the name of the book. How is that twisting things?
Christian veneer peeling AND getting defensive? Blimey, must be all the nerves about the Rapture....

[ilatif]

Just because you provided those links does not mean to say I am lying.

We have gone over some of the same stuff berfore obviously it is not getting through to you. You need to re-red some of the stuff.

The website is based on the 2001 edition.

[ilatif]

Obviously I am defensive, I have been defending the ministry throughout the post from your pathetic attacks.

[infidelyork]

your pathetic attacks.
Bit touchy for a Minister aren't we?

[ak87]

All of this ^ is only info you have been fed by others.
Has it not crossed your mind that you may be swallowing dis info/manipulation too ?
These are Ickean ideas that you have swallowed hook,line and sinker.


WHAT????

Ickean ideas? Have you even clicked on the link? Obviously not because this website goes to a level far deeper than Icke has gone making you look a bit ridiculous right now.

Icke IS the disinfo!!! He gives you the right info, but only takes you to a certain level - YOU need to move beyond that level

EVERYTHING in this world is part of the conspiracy from the english language to the number system to ALL religions because this WORLD IS THE CONSPIRACY - It is an illusion conjured up from the manipulation of light - hence illuminati!!

I can't believe how many people like you there are who claim to be 'awake' but don't have the SLIGHTEST clue as to what is going on here!

[ak87]

Cough all you want, it's funny that the prohesies are coming true in this day and age, suppose you think that is coincodence?

Do you need cough medicine?

The prophecies will come true - but NOT because of christianity, but because this was planned a long time ago by the Luciferian entities / serpent cult / reptilians!

They are going to attempt to fulfil bible prophecy to FOOL you and me and everyone else in this world into believing this is true and really happening so that they can usher in the new messianic age or christ consciousness, which is really the reptilian agenda!!

The truth is that there is and never was or is a jesus or god!!! Its all hypnosis!! Thats why all films these days have an apocolyptic theme (2012, day after tomorrow etc.) to instil this bullshit into your subconscious!!

PLEASE WAKE UP!!!

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

[ilatif]

Does it not occur to you that maybe GOD is in charge of all this, and things are happening as HE plans it?

[ak87]

Does it not occur to you that maybe GOD is in charge of all this, and things are happening as HE plans it?

There is NO GOD!! END OF.

The serpent cult is fooling you into worshipping them - by believing in a god, praying, making spiritual vows at baptisms and funerals, you are literally handing your spirit over into the hands of The serpent!!

Let me ask you a question:

Why do you say 'Amen' at the end of the Lord's prayer?

If you have never questioned this or your belief in god, then you are as hypnotised as any layperson who does not even know this conspiracy exists!

[vera susa]

You flot who believe in god.
Jesus christ (pardon the pun).
What has god done for you brainwashed, weak, people.
Have you ever seen god?
I know i certainly have not.
You lot are just simply brainwashed.
Brought up in a cult.
You need to snap out of it.
Seriously.

You lot who hate God and
The Saving Christ; what has MAN
ever done BUT DESTROY LIFE.

Talk about 'brain'washed!

The GREATEST GLOBAL INDUSTRIES
are in re-packaging and SELLING the
LIES, MYTHS and DECEPTION of the
PROUDLY, "wanna-be OWN 'god'" 'men',
from the most ancient of LONG DEAD
Kingdoms that led to their COLLAPSE,
then, as 'they' DESIRE ALL The World
to FALL and DIE in this Age.

[logos880]

There is NO GOD!! END OF.


Prove it.


You lot who hate God and
The Saving Christ; what has MAN
ever done BUT DESTROY LIFE.

Talk about 'brain'washed!

The GREATEST GLOBAL INDUSTRIES
are in re-packaging and SELLING the
LIES, MYTHS and DECEPTION of the
PROUDLY, "wanna-be OWN 'god'" 'men',
from the most ancient of LONG DEAD
Kingdoms that led to their COLLAPSE,
then, as 'they' DESIRE ALL The World
to FALL and DIE in this Age.

Well said.

[ilatif]

I second that

[phildee3]

Does it not occur to you that maybe GOD is in charge of all this, and things are happening as HE plans it?



Gods who plan, and execute their plans, are not in charge of everything.
That's why they get angry.

[motleyhoo]

If everything is God's plan then we can just sit on our asses all day and do nothing, because God is in charge of it all. Why even get out of bed in the morning? Just lay there and call it "God's plan". That doesn't really make sense does it?

His plan is more likely that he puts you in this world where your outcome is based on your own decisions and then the day comes that you are judged on those decisions.

.

[ak87]

Prove it.



Well said.



Prove there is a god.

[ak87]

You lot who hate God and
The Saving Christ; what has MAN
ever done BUT DESTROY LIFE.

Talk about 'brain'washed!

The GREATEST GLOBAL INDUSTRIES
are in re-packaging and SELLING the
LIES, MYTHS and DECEPTION of the
PROUDLY, "wanna-be OWN 'god'" 'men',
from the most ancient of LONG DEAD
Kingdoms that led to their COLLAPSE,
then, as 'they' DESIRE ALL The World
to FALL and DIE in this Age.



The christ story has been repeated over and over again in history, but at the end of the day it is still a SUN WORSHIP religion based on pagan and babylonian ideologies.

I can't prove there is no god but I can definitely prove that the jesus story is nothing but a myth based on sun worship and is designed to get you to worship the SUN of god (this is one example of a subliminal designed to get you to worship the sun subliminally when you think you are actually worhsipping the SON of god)

[sodi]

I had to stop reading the book because I don't have time for it due to school. I will resume later lol

[logos880]

Prove there is a god.

I'm not the one making the claims here. If you choose to believe there is no God then go right ahead, but I'm going to go ahead and believe there is a God.

The christ story has been repeated over and over again in history, but at the end of the day it is still a SUN WORSHIP religion based on pagan and babylonian ideologies.

I can't prove there is no god but I can definitely prove that the jesus story is nothing but a myth based on sun worship and is designed to get you to worship the SUN of god (this is one example of a subliminal designed to get you to worship the sun subliminally when you think you are actually worhsipping the SON of god)

For sake of argument why don't you go ahead and prove that Jesus is a solar deity. Before you go on about Horus, Mithras, Attis etc. just know that I've studied the parallels very closely.

[ilatif]

horus is supposed to be detailed in the "book of vivyfying souls" or something, a book that DOES NOT EXIST!!! LOL

[branjo]

Jesus was a shroomer. I heard he couldn't get enough of them.

[motleyhoo]

There is a God.

Prove it.

It matters not whether it is proven, not proven, believed, or not believed. If there is a God, then he/she/it/them will grade you on your actions, not your beliefs. I believe there is a God, and yet my mind is open enough that I also understand that I might be wrong. Will it hurt me to live my life as if I believe there is a God even if there isn't? Certainly not. But the same cannot necessarily be said for living one's life as if there is no God.

IMO, this is where modern Christianity has failed its people, for the church claims and teaches that belief is above all else. But if you step back and think about that as an outside observer you see that that makes no sense within the context of what's written in the New Testament. It is actually a form of enslavement whereby church masters say that you have to have faith that what they are telling you is true, and that without faith you will burn in hell for eternity. I figured out at 6 years old that there was something majorly wrong with that line of crap.

.

[logos880]

It matters not whether it is proven, not proven, believed, or not believed. If there is a God, then he/she/it/them will grade you on your actions, not your beliefs. I believe there is a God, and yet my mind is open enough that I also understand that I might be wrong. Will it hurt me to live my life as if I believe there is a God even if there isn't? Certainly not. But the same cannot necessarily be said for living one's life as if there is no God.

This is what I was hinting at. IMO, it takes more faith to believe there is no God then to believe that there is a God, but to each his own.

[eternal1stparty]

OK.

Watch this video.

Anyone know what baraq obama means in Hebrew?

I found this a little startling. I don't necessarily believe it.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[subl1minal]

If Jesus did exist, then all he would've said to humanity is ''You're all fucking stupid!''

[eternal1stparty]

If Jesus did exist, then all he would've said to humanity is ''You're all fucking stupid!''

Somehow this doesn't seem quite his style....

[edelweiss pirate]

If Jesus did exist, then all he would've said to humanity is ''You're all fucking stupid!''

He kind of did say that but phrased it differently:


"You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you and put up with you?"

Which is pretty much the same as what you said.

Jesus pretty much insulted and pissed off the big Jewish religious gangsters of the time along with the dopey sheep people.

Jesus' insults are classics. The guy seemed pretty pissed off most of the time.


Just the right flavour for a messiah.... Peace and love with attitude.

[ilatif]

lol

[ilatif]

Yesterday, King Juan Carlos made his first visit ever to war torn Beruit Lebanon, as he met with the President of Lebanon and visited the United Nations troops of which he is in command.
BREAKING NEWS!!

King Juan Carlos pledged that he would do everything in his power to bring peace and stability to the Middle East, according to his peace plan created in 1991 at the Madrid Peace Conference for which he won an award.

The King is representing Spain as Presidency of the European Union, and the Commander of the peace troops in Lebanon bordering Israel.

This past week he has met with the King of Jordan, who asked the King to establish a peace treaty with Israel and the surrounding nations.

After he completes his meetings with the Muslim nations concerning peace and stability with Israel and the surrounding nations, the King will travel to Washington D.C. and meet with President Barack Hussein Obama at the White House to discuss his plans for peace with Israel.

MORE BREAKING NEWS!!

Today, Vladmir Putin declared that if Israel attacks Iran, then Russia will launch World War III. King Juan Carlos is making his first visit ever to Lebanon today to thwart war. Representing the Presidency of the European Union, he met with the President of Lebanon and assured him that he would do everything in his power to instigate his award-winning peace plan that he created at the 1991 Madrid Peace Conference. He pledges to bring peace and stability to Israel and the surrounding nations. Also, as Commander of the United Nations troops in Lebanon bordering Isael,King Juan Carlos is inspecting the troops. Last week the King of Jordan requested King Juan Carlos to bring peace and security to the region. Next week, after King Juan Carlos is finished meeting the Islamic nations, he will travel to Washington D.C. to meet with President Barack Hussein Obama in the White House to discuss his plan for a peace treaty with Israel. King Juan Carlos and President Obama are also meeting with the Dalai Lama at the White House. China has threatened that World War III could erupt if they insist on meeting with the spiritual leader of Tibet. It is hoped that King Juan Carlos can stop the threat of World War III with his peace plan.

[kodiak]

Yesterday, King Juan Carlos made his first visit ever to war torn Beruit Lebanon, as he met with the President of Lebanon and visited the United Nations troops of which he is in command.
BREAKING NEWS!!

King Juan Carlos pledged that he would do everything in his power to bring peace and stability to the Middle East, according to his peace plan created in 1991 at the Madrid Peace Conference for which he won an award.

The King is representing Spain as Presidency of the European Union, and the Commander of the peace troops in Lebanon bordering Israel.

This past week he has met with the King of Jordan, who asked the King to establish a peace treaty with Israel and the surrounding nations.

After he completes his meetings with the Muslim nations concerning peace and stability with Israel and the surrounding nations, the King will travel to Washington D.C. and meet with President Barack Hussein Obama at the White House to discuss his plans for peace with Israel.

MORE BREAKING NEWS!!

Today, Vladmir Putin declared that if Israel attacks Iran, then Russia will launch World War III. King Juan Carlos is making his first visit ever to Lebanon today to thwart war. Representing the Presidency of the European Union, he met with the President of Lebanon and assured him that he would do everything in his power to instigate his award-winning peace plan that he created at the 1991 Madrid Peace Conference. He pledges to bring peace and stability to Israel and the surrounding nations. Also, as Commander of the United Nations troops in Lebanon bordering Isael,King Juan Carlos is inspecting the troops. Last week the King of Jordan requested King Juan Carlos to bring peace and security to the region. Next week, after King Juan Carlos is finished meeting the Islamic nations, he will travel to Washington D.C. to meet with President Barack Hussein Obama in the White House to discuss his plan for a peace treaty with Israel. King Juan Carlos and President Obama are also meeting with the Dalai Lama at the White House. China has threatened that World War III could erupt if they insist on meeting with the spiritual leader of Tibet. It is hoped that King Juan Carlos can stop the threat of World War III with his peace plan.

How is Juan Carlos seated in the city built on seven hills (i.e. Rome)? Which after all, is the beast's seat, according to Rev 13.

And all this peace treaty stuff, it all comes from ONE interpretation of Daniel 9. But is that interpretation definitive? What about those who argue that the grammar of the passage refers to Christ being cut off in the midst of His sojourn, given that His ministry lasted 3.5 years (approx)? A lot hinges on whom the passage is referring to. And besides, having largely rejected the Messianic religion, the Hebrews (or those who today claim to be Jews) are no longer a "holy people".

Now, going back in time to the Dark Ages, if you weren't a fully paid up R Catholic in Europe, you were persecuted, subjected to the Inquisition, occasionally debarred from commerce, etc. In my view, there is much evidence to suggest that the then Papacy was very much of the nature of the Beast of Rev 13. As for the mark, it was and remains very much a spiritual matter; those who accept Christ are described as being very distinct from everyone else, who has the mark, so it describes believers versus unbelievers. It may be the case that we are yet to see the worst manifestation of this; I suspect it will be a new humanistic religion tied in with Darwinism and the whole ET sham and that it will adsorb all other religions on earth, except for biblical Christianity.

[ilatif]

Juan carlos was born in ROME, the city that destroyed Jeruselum in 70 AD

[yhwhschild]

He kind of did say that but phrased it differently:


"You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you and put up with you?"


Yeah I think he was refering to the modern christians as well

[kodiak]

Juan carlos was born in ROME, the city that destroyed Jeruselum in 70 AD

Doesn't make it his seat of power though, does it?

[logos880]

How is Juan Carlos seated in the city built on seven hills (i.e. Rome)? Which after all, is the beast's seat, according to Rev 13.

And all this peace treaty stuff, it all comes from ONE interpretation of Daniel 9. But is that interpretation definitive? What about those who argue that the grammar of the passage refers to Christ being cut off in the midst of His sojourn, given that His ministry lasted 3.5 years (approx)? A lot hinges on whom the passage is referring to. And besides, having largely rejected the Messianic religion, the Hebrews (or those who today claim to be Jews) are no longer a "holy people".

Now, going back in time to the Dark Ages, if you weren't a fully paid up R Catholic in Europe, you were persecuted, subjected to the Inquisition, occasionally debarred from commerce, etc. In my view, there is much evidence to suggest that the then Papacy was very much of the nature of the Beast of Rev 13. As for the mark, it was and remains very much a spiritual matter; those who accept Christ are described as being very distinct from everyone else, who has the mark, so it describes believers versus unbelievers. It may be the case that we are yet to see the worst manifestation of this; I suspect it will be a new humanistic religion tied in with Darwinism and the whole ET sham and that it will adsorb all other religions on earth, except for biblical Christianity.

IMO the "new" religion was started a long time ago. I'm not sure by who but I believe it was started the first time an emperor claimed himself to be a god. I like to refer to this religion as anti-christianity and it is the worship of the self which is by extension the worship of Satan. Our modern culture is completely overrun with it.


12How have you fallen from heaven, O light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning! How you have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened and laid low the nations [O blasphemous, satanic king of Babylon!]

13And you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit upon the mount of assembly in the uttermost north.

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

That passage from Isaiah is referred to as the five "I wills" of Satan. Satan has created a counterfeit religion to lead people away from the truth.

[infidelyork]

Ilatif... You wouldn't by any chance be the same person from www.ilatifenterprises.com would you?.....

[magenta_moonshadow]

Re: Juan Carlos, the following passage is from Wikipedia, so I can't vouch for how accurate it is, but if true, I thought it was interesting...

Juan Carlos I of Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In March 1956, Juan Carlos's younger brother Alfonso died in a gun accident at the family's home Villa Giralda in Estoril, Portugal. The Spanish Embassy in Portugal issued an official communiqué:[9]
Whilst His Highness Prince Alfonso was cleaning a revolver last evening with his brother, a shot was fired hitting his forehead and killing him in a few minutes. The accident took place at 20.30 hours, after the Infante's return from the Maundy Thursday religious service, during which he had received holy communion.
Very quickly, however, rumours appeared in newspapers that the gun had actually been held by Juan Carlos at the moment the shot was fired. Josefina Carolo, dressmaker to Juan Carlos's mother, said that Juan Carlos pointed the pistol at Alfonso and pulled the trigger, unaware that the pistol was loaded. Bernardo Arnoso, a Portuguese friend of Juan Carlos, also said that Juan Carlos fired the pistol knowing that it was loaded, and adding that the bullet ricocheted off a wall hitting Alfonso in the face. Helena Matheopoulos, a Greek author who spoke with Juan Carlos's sister Pilar, said that Alfonso had been out of the room and when he returned and pushed the door open, the door knocked Juan Carlos in the arm causing him to fire the pistol.[10]

[ilatif]

This "incident" made him next in line to the throne.

[knightofthegrail]

OK.

Watch this video.

Anyone know what baraq obama means in Hebrew?

I found this a little startling. I don't necessarily believe it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raCRSjnT0Wc&annotation_id=annotation_985610&feature=iv

Lol

*checks it up*

Erm, that is actually quite bizarre:

baraq
baw-rawk'
From 'baraq'; lightning; by analogy, a gleam; concretely, a flashing sword:--bright, glitter(-ing sword), lightning.
(Source (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB12.htm#S1300))

bamah
bam-maw'
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation:--height, high place, wave.
(Source (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB11.htm#S1116))

:eek: Its certainly one hell of a coincidence that transliterally they appear to match :eek:

[magenta_moonshadow]

This "incident" made him next in line to the throne.

No, his younger brother died in the gun incident. It didn't make any difference to the line of succession. The timing is of interest, as Juan Carlos had just returned from receiving Holy Communion at a Maundy Thursday service! Plenty of symbolism there, involving sacrifices, etc, if you're into that kind of conspiracy...

[infidelyork]

Ilatif... You wouldn't by any chance be the same person from www.ilatifenterprises.com would you?.....

No answer Ilatif?....:rolleyes:

[eternal1stparty]

Lol

*checks it up*

Erm, that is actually quite bizarre:

baraq
baw-rawk'
From 'baraq'; lightning; by analogy, a gleam; concretely, a flashing sword:--bright, glitter(-ing sword), lightning.
(Source (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB12.htm#S1300))

bamah
bam-maw'
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation:--height, high place, wave.
(Source (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB11.htm#S1116))

:eek: Its certainly one hell of a coincidence that transliterally they appear to match :eek:

Yeah.......... I don't believe in coincidences anymore. At least not these kind of coincidences.

[ilatif]

No answer Ilatif?....:rolleyes:

Still trying to internet stalk me you SAD GIT!!

Get a life!!

[vera susa]

There is NO "The" Anti-Christ.

EVERYONE WHO DENIES
The HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
IS "AN" ANTI-CHRIST...
MAJORITY of THE WHOLE WORLD.

Particularly those who WORK SPREADING
"alien" and Other BULLSHIT on WEB/NET
forums.

End.

[nelletuorg7]

Beware of False Prophets (WORKING WITH ILLIMUNATI/NWO):
-Maitreya
-Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
-St Germaine/Galactic Federation of Light
-Obama/Antichrist/Lucifer

Just curious. Is Sananda Immanuel, the same Emmanuel that Stewart Swerdlow talks of ?? Also what really is the Galactic Federation of Light? Is it an Illuminati based organization? Can anyone enlighten me??? Thanks.

[infidelyork]

Still trying to internet stalk me you SAD GIT!!

Get a life!!

Hush now, there are grown ups talking. Now, that's not really the sort of language you'd expect from a 'Pastor' is it?
I asked a simple question, I haven't 'stalked you'. I simply did a search on Google about you under Ilatif and 'Gatamn Herod', (Oops, thats you as well isn't it? Married/ Single? Muslim? Ex Muslim? Seems you can't decide depending on which site you look at...) to find out your motives for spamming numerous forums (and there are MANY, actually, VERY many) about a 'free book'.

I can only assume by your outburst that you ARE the same bloke from www.ilatifenterprises.com which if that's the case, my suspicions are confirmed. Part of a marketing affiliate?
We have a variety of software systems to help you market whatever
business opportunity you are promoting effectively and easily at the
touch of a button

Post online to newsgroups, forums, directories, search engines
And under threat from removal from 'Clickbank LARTed' for spamming?

Take your shit elsewhere you religious freak.

[infidelyork]

And while I'm at it Ilatif, to save me the hassle of registering on another forum, you can tell your self-proclaimed 'prophet of God' that his declaration of:
King Juan Carlos is now at the White House. If not for the Rapture Clock Newspaper you would never know it.
is bullshit. A simple search on the internet shows that the visit was widely published BEFORE the event on pretty much ALL of the major news networks, including the Whitehouse website. Are the Mullins followers too busy hanging on to his coat-tails to even bother questioning anything he says or does it get in the way of the marketing?

[logos880]

There is NO "The" Anti-Christ.

EVERYONE WHO DENIES
The HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
IS "AN" ANTI-CHRIST...
MAJORITY of THE WHOLE WORLD.

Particularly those who WORK SPREADING
"alien" and Other BULLSHIT on WEB/NET
forums.

End.

I agree and disagree with you here. You are right about the deniers, they are of the anti-christ, but I would say that there is a particular being that will fulfill the anti-christ archetype fully. The anti-christ is just as real as the Christ.

[ilatif]

Hush now, there are grown ups talking. Now, that's not really the sort of language you'd expect from a 'Pastor' is it?
I asked a simple question, I haven't 'stalked you'. I simply did a search on Google about you under Ilatif and 'Gatamn Herod', (Oops, thats you as well isn't it? Married/ Single? Muslim? Ex Muslim? Seems you can't decide depending on which site you look at...) to find out your motives for spamming numerous forums (and there are MANY, actually, VERY many) about a 'free book'.

I can only assume by your outburst that you ARE the same bloke from www.ilatifenterprises.com which if that's the case, my suspicions are confirmed. Part of a marketing affiliate?

And under threat from removal from 'Clickbank LARTed' for spamming?

Take your shit elsewhere you religious freak.


Yeah, I did own that site 3 years ago, I wanted to market marketing tools, but decided to go back to college instead.

I now warn people about the end times, and the coming of the antichrist.

What is my motive? to help people and spread the word of Jesus, why is that so sinister to you?

And as you don't own the site, I'll stay where I am thanks.

[realy]

"When the hour strikes for our Sovereign Lord of all the World to be crowned it is these same hands [the mob] which will sweep away everything that might be a hindrance thereto." Protocol No. 3.

"Ever since that time [French Revolution] we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another, so that in the end they should turn also from us in favour of that King Despot of the blood of Zion, whom we are preparing for the world." Protocol No. 3.

"However, it is probably all the same to the world who is its Sovereign Lord, whether the head of Catholicism or our Despot of the Blood of Zion." Protocol No.4.

they have been setback a bit now, there is some desperation in the air.

[nirvana]

yawn bloody yawn:rolleyes:

[ilatif]

Time is running out!!

[phildee3]

Time is running out!!

ah, but it's equally running in.

[ilatif]

Hmmmmm:rolleyes:

[phildee3]

Hmmmmm:rolleyes:

It all depends where you look -
http://emeraldcityguy.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/hourglass.jpg

[tony le mesmer]

There is no anti-christ.

End of story.

There may however be wish-fulfilment because many many christians seem to be gagging for one.

correct.

[ilatif]

Thats what the masses want you to think, but there are already plans to establish a Palestinian state, this will lead to war.

[infidelyork]

Thats what the masses want you to think, but there are already plans to establish a Palestinian state, this will lead to war.

No doubt your mate Michael Mullens heard this from Jesus himself?.... :rolleyes:

[01cobravortech]

There will be no Palestinian state. God has already pronounced judgment on the sons of Esau and the Edomites. There will be a ONE state solution. Read all about in the Bible's Book of Psalms 83. God is patient and He waits and He tolerates a great deal from humanity's rebellion against Him. But come to take His land of Israel and you can consider yourself toast. And that's precisely what the surrounding Muslim nations are preparing to do. God is going to soon show His magnificent power and glory once again as He protects the nation of Israel. Not because the Jews deserve it but because He has to honor His contract with Abraham. God laughs at the Muslim world coming to destroy Israel. It will not happen. Far too many people on this planet think that the God of the Bible doesn't exist because they don't acknowledge Him, but God exists anyway. The Muslim world will only have itself to blame for this devastating defeat. And this devastating loss will prove once again that Allah, nor any other "god" on this planet exists other than YHWH. Some of you folks better get right with God. The time is coming where He will intervene int he affairs of man once again and you will be left with no excuse for not knowing Him.

[ilatif]

You can read about it in the news if you know where to find it.

[infidelyork]

You can read about it in the news if you know where to find it.

You mean the news from the 1930's onwards? Plans for a Palestinian State is hardly 'current news'.

[lightgiver]

There will be no Palestinian state. God has already pronounced judgment on the sons of Esau and the Edomites. There will be a ONE state solution. Read all about in the Bible's Book of Psalms 83. God is patient and He waits and He tolerates a great deal from humanity's rebellion against Him. But come to take His land of Israel and you can consider yourself toast. And that's precisely what the surrounding Muslim nations are preparing to do. God is going to soon show His magnificent power and glory once again as He protects the nation of Israel. Not because the Jews deserve it but because He has to honor His contract with Abraham. God laughs at the Muslim world coming to destroy Israel. It will not happen. Far too many people on this planet think that the God of the Bible doesn't exist because they don't acknowledge Him, but God exists anyway. The Muslim world will only have itself to blame for this devastating defeat. And this devastating loss will prove once again that Allah, nor any other "god" on this planet exists other than YHWH. Some of you folks better get right with God. The time is coming where He will intervene int he affairs of man once again and you will be left with no excuse for not knowing Him.

Could you get him or her to plug that massive oil leak because Humans are incapable.

I wonder if people would treat Heaven the same way

After all isn't earth the practice ground?

Egyptian Pyramids - A Mars Earth Connection

Egyptian Pyramids - A Mars Earth Connection - YouTube

Maybe we are going to end up like mars?

Pyramids on Mars
Pyramids on Mars - YouTube

[01cobravortech]

Could you get him or her to plug that massive oil leak because Humans are incapable.

I wonder if people would treat Heaven the same way

After all isn't earth the practice ground?

Egyptian Pyramids - A Mars Earth Connection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzsyYLmZkRc&feature=player_embedded

Maybe we are going to end up like mars?

Pyramids on Mars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmDWviF3yZA&feature=related

For the time being, man needs to deal with the problems he's creating.

The earth is dying from the curse. There will be a new heaven and new earth in the near future.

[logos880]

There will be no Palestinian state. God has already pronounced judgment on the sons of Esau and the Edomites. There will be a ONE state solution. Read all about in the Bible's Book of Psalms 83. God is patient and He waits and He tolerates a great deal from humanity's rebellion against Him. But come to take His land of Israel and you can consider yourself toast. And that's precisely what the surrounding Muslim nations are preparing to do. God is going to soon show His magnificent power and glory once again as He protects the nation of Israel. Not because the Jews deserve it but because He has to honor His contract with Abraham. God laughs at the Muslim world coming to destroy Israel. It will not happen. Far too many people on this planet think that the God of the Bible doesn't exist because they don't acknowledge Him, but God exists anyway. The Muslim world will only have itself to blame for this devastating defeat. And this devastating loss will prove once again that Allah, nor any other "god" on this planet exists other than YHWH. Some of you folks better get right with God. The time is coming where He will intervene int he affairs of man once again and you will be left with no excuse for not knowing Him.

Maybe "Israel" as we know it is not the true Israel.

[bendoon]

Maybe "Israel" as we know it is not the true Israel.


True, the piece of Land known as Israel was ended by God himself in the 8th Century BC after which it became Samaria. The name now applies to the people "Israel", the descendants of Jacob and not the Synagogue of Satan.

[logos880]

The name now applies to the people "Israel", the descendants of Jacob and not the Synagogue of Satan.

They are easily and intentionally confused. ;)

[01cobravortech]

Maybe "Israel" as we know it is not the true Israel.

Israel as we know it is guaranteed to become much bigger. Its not even possessing all the Promised land given in the Bible. But that changes soon. I would not bet against YHWH though.

[nectars]

Israel as we know it is guaranteed to become much bigger. Its not even possessing all the Promised land given in the Bible. But that changes soon. I would not bet against YHWH though.

If they knew the True God of Israel spoken of within the Bible they would not do what they do and would set free what they have claimed.

[bendoon]

Israel as we know it is guaranteed to become much bigger. Its not even possessing all the Promised land given in the Bible. But that changes soon. I would not bet against YHWH though.

Israel is not a piece of land, it is a group of people. Who these people are is open to debate. The OT is a prophecy which has a spiritual fullfillment sometime after the death of Christ, the return of people to Israel symbolises people returning to God's laws and the rejection of worldly Government (rejection of the NWO ?).

[logos880]

Israel as we know it is guaranteed to become much bigger. Its not even possessing all the Promised land given in the Bible. But that changes soon. I would not bet against YHWH though.

I don't believe that the true Israel would represent itself with the hexagram.

[frton]

Can you post link to the part of the site to read the book online. Lately I'm using only mobile and can't deal with exes.

thks

[stelios]

God is going to soon show His magnificent power and glory once again as He protects the nation of Israel. Not because the Jews deserve it.
Why cant you be more like these American Christians instead of the obvious nutter Zionist abomination you are.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hate-jews.jpg

[01cobravortech]

Why cant you be more like these American Christians instead of the obvious nutter Zionist abomination you are.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hate-jews.jpg

Christians like these believe in this devilish doctrine of "replacement theology." You probably don't understand what it is since time and time again you've proved that you are very ignorant on matters pertaining to the Bible and the Christian community. The God of the Bible hasn't forsaken the Jews nor will He allow anyone to divide up His covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Hey did you ever read God's description in the Bible of Esau? LOL Its priceless and it characterizes radical fundamentalist Muslims so perfectly.

[01cobravortech]

Israel is not a piece of land, it is a group of people. Who these people are is open to debate. The OT is a prophecy which has a spiritual fullfillment sometime after the death of Christ, the return of people to Israel symbolises people returning to God's laws and the rejection of worldly Government (rejection of the NWO ?).

Sorry but you clearly don't know what you're talking about and I'm willing to bet you've never studied the OT. Like most people I might add.

[lightgiver]

I don't believe that the true Israel would represent itself with the hexagram.

What is the True Israel?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8721/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg/)

[stelios]

Christians like these believe in this devilish doctrine of "replacement theology." You probably don't understand what it is since time and time again you've proved that you are very ignorant on matters pertaining to the Bible and the Christian community. The God of the Bible hasn't forsaken the Jews nor will He allow anyone to divide up His covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Hey did you ever read God's description in the Bible of Esau? LOL Its priceless and it characterizes radical fundamentalist Muslims so perfectly.

Explain how you have the cheek to call yourself a Christian i mean what part of you is Christian?

Because "time and time again you've proved that you are very ignorant on matters pertaining to the Bible and the Christian community."

So come on then give it your best shot.
ps: which one of these is yours?

http://jennibenni712.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/redneck-mansion.jpg

[logos880]

What is the True Israel?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8721/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg/)

“One of the most misunderstood subjects of Bible study involves the total political division of ‘Israel’ and ‘Judah’ that occurred at the time of King Rehoboam. Before then, all twelve tribes of Israelites were a united kingdom through the reigns of David and Solomon, but after Solomon’s death they split into two completely separate and independent kingdoms - the southern kingdom of ‘Judah,’ consisting of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with part of Levi since the Levites were distributed among the other tribes (1 Kings 12:23) with their capital at Jerusalem, and the northern kingdom of ‘Israel,’ consisting of the other ten tribes (Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim and Manasseh (Joseph was divided into Ephraim and Manasseh), with part of Levi since the Levites were distributed among the other tribes), with their capital up in Samaria.
“Israel and Judah were never united again... Surprisingly, they even fought wars against each other from time to time... A very important fact that many do not realize is that Judah, that is, the Jewish people of today, are only one of the tribes of Israel - while all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews.
“Because of their forsaking of Him, God permitted the two kingdoms to be destroyed. First, the northern kingdom of Israel was gradually conquered by the Assyrians,… and by 721 B.C. they had practically all been taken into exile to Assyria (2 Kings 17:1-23). The vast majority of them never returned, and have become known as the ‘Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.’
“Then, about 135 years later, by 586 B.C., the southern kingdom of Judah was completely conquered by the Babylonians,... and the people of Judah were taken into captivity to Babylon. The original Temple of God in Jerusalem was destroyed at that time... The people of the southern kingdom of Judah however did return after the Babylonians fell to the Persians..., and their descendants have become the Jewish people of today - but that return in the time of Nehemiah, or the founding of the modern state of Israel in 1948, were not the fulfillment of the many prophecies dealing with the future (as the context of the prophecies clearly show) gathering of all of Israel, Israel and Judah.”

The state of Israel as we know today is not the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

[01cobravortech]

Explain how you have the cheek to call yourself a Christian i mean what part of you is Christian?

Because "time and time again you've proved that you are very ignorant on matters pertaining to the Bible and the Christian community."

So come on then give it your best shot.
ps: which one of these is yours?[/IMG]

Christianity has many divisions within the body itself. I believe Jesus Christ is God, the same I AM that spoke to Moses. I believe that God revealed Himself to man through the Jews. He is certainly not done with the Jews and He will not allow anyone to divide His land. And I will boldly proclaim that I will not bow down to any other God except for the one in the Bible. And all others are false gods. But I won't kill you or commit violence against you for not believing in Jesus Christ. The Jews have their place in God's overall redemption plan and the nations of the world and people have been blessed through them. You have a very warped view of Christianity. I'm a Christian based on my belief that Jesus was God and was resurrected from the dead and sealed victory over the devil. Only through accepting Him as your Lord and Savior is salvation attainable in the afterlife. Does that clear up what part of me is Christian? You buddy take random pictures on the internet of so called Christians holding up signs and then run wild with ridiculous presumptions about the entire Christian community. You make these absurd broad generalizations about Christianity. I on the other hand never fail to identify that there is a clear line of demarcation between radical, fundamentalist Muslims and moderate Muslims. I have no concern about moderates. But I'm starting to get the impression that you can't even grasp simple themes like this one.

[bendoon]

Hey did you ever read God's description in the Bible of Esau? LOL Its priceless and it characterizes radical fundamentalist Muslims so perfectly.

Yes, the Edomites became Jews between 500 BC and 125 BC

Most of the Jews today are descendants of these Edomites, most of the genuine Jews (Judahites) became followers of Christ and left Judaism for good.

From the Jewish Encyclopedia;

After the conquest of Judah by the Babylonians, the Edomites were allowed to settle in southern Palestine. At the same time they were driven by the Nabatæans from Idumea. In southern Palestine they prospered for more than four centuries. Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; "Ant." xii. 8, §§ 1, 6). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.), by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. xiii. 9, § 1; xiv. 4, § 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans "Idumea" (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, "Geography," v. 16). With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans. Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the Zealots who were besieged in the Temple (Josephus, "B. J." iv. 4, § 5).

From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people, though the name "Idumea" still existed the time of Jerome.




http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=45&letter=E&search=idumea


I would also recommend you to read this for an alternate Christian perspective on the Jewish/ Israel connection.

http://www.meguiar.addr.com/Jacob_Esau.htm

[kappy0405]

There will be no Palestinian state... There will be a ONE state solution. Read all about in the Bible's Book of Psalms 83. God is patient and He waits and He tolerates a great deal from humanity's rebellion against Him. But come to take His land of Israel and you can consider yourself toast. And that's precisely what the surrounding Muslim nations are preparing to do. God is going to soon show His magnificent power and glory once again as He protects the nation of Israel. Not because the Jews deserve it but because He has to honor His contract with Abraham. God laughs at the Muslim world coming to destroy Israel..

This is the type of BS spewed by twats like John Hagee & Benny Hinn, millionaire Zionists who have made a living out of distorting religious teachings. The people prophecied to attempt to destroy/takeover the land are the Zionists. They haven't succeeded as long as the Muslims fight back, and they won't succeed by the Bible's logic because the Palestinians have more legitimate claims of descendancy from Jacob than the Khazar Zionists do.

[lightgiver]

I will tell you who the antI Christ is.......................YOU ARE

Very much still with us


Star Trek - 54 - Bread and circuses Part 1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QK2EnyuBmk

Plenty of it keep em distracted

CFR, Media Control and the New World Order
CFR, Media Control and the New World Order - YouTube


One nation
under God
has turned into
one nation under the influence
of one drug

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

T.V., it
satellite links
our United States of Unconsciousness
Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive
The methadone metronome pumping out
150 channels 24 hours a day
you can flip through all of them
and still there's nothing worth watching
T.V. is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our
Nation reads books daily
Why most people think Central Amerika
means Kansas
Socialism means unamerican
and Apartheid is a new headache remedy
absorbed in it's world it's so hard to find us
It shapes our mind the most
maybe the mother of our Nation
should remind us
that we're sitting too close to...

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

T.V. is
the stomping ground for political candidates
Where bears in the woods
are chased by Grecian Formula'd
bald eagles
T.V. is mechanized politic's
remote control over the masses
co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases
watch for the PBS special
It's the perpetuation of the two party system
where image takes precedence over wisdom
Where sound bite politics are served to
the fastfood culture
Where straight teeth in your mouth
are more important than the words
that come out of it
Race baiting is the way to get selected
Willie Horton or
Will he not get elected on...

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

T.V., is it the reflector or the director ?
Does it imitate us
or do we imitate it

because a child watches 1500 murders before he's
twelve years old and we wonder why we've created
a Jason generation that learns to laugh
rather than to abhor the horror
T.V. is the place where
armchair generals and quarterbacks can
experience first hand
the excitement of warfare
as the theme song is sung in the background
Sugar sweet sitcoms
that leave us with a bad actor taste while
pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars
You saw the video
You heard the soundtrack
Well now go buy the soft drink
Well, the onla cola that I support
would be a union C.O.L.A.(Cost Of Living Allowance)
On television

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

Back again, 'New and improved'
We return to our irregularly programmed schedule
hidden cleverly between heavy breasted
beer and car commercials
CNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S.
Where oxymoronic language like
'virtually spotless', 'fresh frozen'
'light yet filling' and 'military intelligence'
have become standard
T.V. is the place where phrases are redefined
like 'recession' to 'necessary downturn'
'Crude oil' on a beach to 'mousse'
'Civilian death' to 'collateral damages'
and being killed by your own Army
is now called 'friendly fire'
T.V. is the place where the pursuit
of happiness has become the pursuit of
trivia
Where toothpaste and cars have become
sex objects
Where imagination is sucked out of children
by a cathode ray nipple
T.V. is the only wet nurse
that would create a cripple

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

Television, Drug of the Nation - YouTube

ONE EYE

It is said that he will have right eye damaged and the left will be working because knowledge acquired through the right eye can be nūrī (means that pertaining to light) and through the left nārī (that pertaining to fire)

Cerebral hemisphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


- George Orwell 1984 P1:
George Orwell 1984 P1 - YouTube

Linear reasoning and language functions such as grammar and vocabulary often are lateralized to the left hemisphere of the brain. Dyscalculia is a neurological syndrome associated with damage to the left temporo-parietal junction. This syndrome is associated with poor numeric manipulation, poor mental arithmetic skill, and the inability to either understand or apply mathematical concepts.

In contrast, prosodic language functions, such as intonation and accentuation, often are lateralized to the right hemisphere of the brain. Functions such as the processing of visual and audiological stimuli, spatial manipulation, facial perception, and artistic ability seem to be functions of the right hemisphere.

Lateralization of brain function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Frontal lobe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The frontal lobe contains most of the dopamine-sensitive neurons in the cerebral cortex. The dopamine system is associated with reward, attention, long-term memory, planning, and drive. Dopamine tends to limit and select sensory information arriving from the thalamus to the fore-brain. A report from the National Institute of Mental Health says a gene variant that reduces dopamine activity in the prefrontal cortex is related to poorer performance and inefficient functioning of that brain region during working memory tasks, and to slightly increased risk for schizophrenia.


Along with all those nasty chemicals, a recipe for disaster.

[lightgiver]

Biblical writers called the healing serpent Nehushtan. The Hebrew word for serpent is "nahash." The root of the word are the Hebrew letters Nun, Het and Shin, which means "to guess." This was translated into other languages as "satan," which some say mean "enemy," or "adversary."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATwd0PXXqRc&feature=related

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki07.htm

http://www.realdevil.info/1-2-1.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_-uaebtMc&feature=related

Damien: This is one of the Seven Knives of Megiddo, the only thing on earth that can kill me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

Seventh Body is nothingness, the beyond. The inconceivable. Divine Death, non-being, nirvana

The AntI Christ,its YOU

do YOU not get it?

It is said that he will have right eye damaged and the left will be working because knowledge acquired through the right eye can be nūrī (means that pertaining to light) and through the left nārī (that pertaining to fire)


Linear reasoning and language functions such as grammar and vocabulary often are lateralized to the left hemisphere of the brain. Dyscalculia is a neurological syndrome associated with damage to the left temporo-parietal junction. This syndrome is associated with poor numeric manipulation, poor mental arithmetic skill, and the inability to either understand or apply mathematical concepts.

In contrast, prosodic language functions, such as intonation and accentuation, often are lateralized to the right hemisphere of the brain. Functions such as the processing of visual and audiological stimuli, spatial manipulation, facial perception, and artistic ability seem to be functions of the right hemisphere.

[01cobravortech]

This is the type of BS spewed by twats like John Hagee & Benny Hinn, millionaire Zionists who have made a living out of distorting religious teachings. The people prophecied to attempt to destroy/takeover the land are the Zionists. They haven't succeeded as long as the Muslims fight back, and they won't succeed by the Bible's logic because the Palestinians have more legitimate claims of descendancy from Jacob than the Khazar Zionists do.

What claims do the Palestinians have? LOL The Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from Latin. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Only one group of people have continuously lived in Israel for the past 3,700 years ahem they are called the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism. Seventy-five percent of the land in east Jerusalem, which the press calls "historically Arab east Jerusalem," has been owned by Jews since 1947. The nations that inhabited the land prior to the Jews are no longer in existence, for they have been absorbed into various other peoples throughout the millennia. The Arabs of Israel only came to the land in 632 with the Muslim invasion.

The God of Israel's judgment on the Edomites and their Muslim buddies is sealed. This Israeli-Palestinian issue will soon be resolved. And you were told in advance that this is written in the Bible. Don't act surprised when it happens.

[lightgiver]

What claims do the Palestinians have? LOL The Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from Latin. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Only one group of people have continuously lived in Israel for the past 3,700 years ahem they are called the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism. Seventy-five percent of the land in east Jerusalem, which the press calls "historically Arab east Jerusalem," has been owned by Jews since 1947. The nations that inhabited the land prior to the Jews are no longer in existence, for they have been absorbed into various other peoples throughout the millennia. The Arabs of Israel only came to the land in 632 with the Muslim invasion.

The God of Israel's judgment on the Edomites and their Muslim buddies is sealed. This Israeli-Palestinian issue will soon be resolved. And you were told in advance that this is written in the Bible. Don't act surprised when it happens.

The Palestinians have more RIGHT than YOU LOT............................Rothschilds and their henchmen

According to the Bible, Lot (Hebrew: לוֹט, Modern Lot Tiberian Lôṭ ; "veil"; "hidden, covered"

I will tell you who the antI Christ is.......................YOU ARE



Plenty of it keep em distracted

CFR, Media Control and the New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lnJL1kp0x8&NR=1


One nation
under God
has turned into
one nation under the influence
of one drug

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

T.V., it
satellite links
our United States of Unconsciousness
Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive
The methadone metronome pumping out
150 channels 24 hours a day
you can flip through all of them
and still there's nothing worth watching
T.V. is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our
Nation reads books daily
Why most people think Central Amerika
means Kansas
Socialism means unamerican
and Apartheid is a new headache remedy
absorbed in it's world it's so hard to find us
It shapes our mind the most
maybe the mother of our Nation
should remind us
that we're sitting too close to...

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

T.V. is
the stomping ground for political candidates
Where bears in the woods
are chased by Grecian Formula'd
bald eagles
T.V. is mechanized politic's
remote control over the masses
co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases
watch for the PBS special
It's the perpetuation of the two party system
where image takes precedence over wisdom
Where sound bite politics are served to
the fastfood culture
Where straight teeth in your mouth
are more important than the words
that come out of it
Race baiting is the way to get selected
Willie Horton or
Will he not get elected on...

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

T.V., is it the reflector or the director ?
Does it imitate us
or do we imitate it

because a child watches 1500 murders before he's
twelve years old and we wonder why we've created
a Jason generation that learns to laugh
rather than to abhor the horror
T.V. is the place where
armchair generals and quarterbacks can
experience first hand
the excitement of warfare
as the theme song is sung in the background
Sugar sweet sitcoms
that leave us with a bad actor taste while
pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars
You saw the video
You heard the soundtrack
Well now go buy the soft drink
Well, the onla cola that I support
would be a union C.O.L.A.(Cost Of Living Allowance)
On television

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

Back again, 'New and improved'
We return to our irregularly programmed schedule
hidden cleverly between heavy breasted
beer and car commercials
CNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S.
Where oxymoronic language like
'virtually spotless', 'fresh frozen'
'light yet filling' and 'military intelligence'
have become standard
T.V. is the place where phrases are redefined
like 'recession' to 'necessary downturn'
'Crude oil' on a beach to 'mousse'
'Civilian death' to 'collateral damages'
and being killed by your own Army
is now called 'friendly fire'
T.V. is the place where the pursuit
of happiness has become the pursuit of
trivia
Where toothpaste and cars have become
sex objects
Where imagination is sucked out of children
by a cathode ray nipple
T.V. is the only wet nurse
that would create a cripple

Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmqqUGFCzg

ONE EYE

It is said that he will have right eye damaged and the left will be working because knowledge acquired through the right eye can be nūrī (means that pertaining to light) and through the left nārī (that pertaining to fire)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_hemisphere


- George Orwell 1984 P1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Kznmrc3o4

Linear reasoning and language functions such as grammar and vocabulary often are lateralized to the left hemisphere of the brain. Dyscalculia is a neurological syndrome associated with damage to the left temporo-parietal junction. This syndrome is associated with poor numeric manipulation, poor mental arithmetic skill, and the inability to either understand or apply mathematical concepts.

In contrast, prosodic language functions, such as intonation and accentuation, often are lateralized to the right hemisphere of the brain. Functions such as the processing of visual and audiological stimuli, spatial manipulation, facial perception, and artistic ability seem to be functions of the right hemisphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateralization_of_brain_function

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontal_lobe

The frontal lobe contains most of the dopamine-sensitive neurons in the cerebral cortex. The dopamine system is associated with reward, attention, long-term memory, planning, and drive. Dopamine tends to limit and select sensory information arriving from the thalamus to the fore-brain. A report from the National Institute of Mental Health says a gene variant that reduces dopamine activity in the prefrontal cortex is related to poorer performance and inefficient functioning of that brain region during working memory tasks, and to slightly increased risk for schizophrenia.


Along with all those nasty chemicals, a recipe for disaster.

[tannah]

The God of Israel's judgment on the Edomites and their Muslim buddies is sealed. This Israeli-Palestinian issue will soon be resolved. And you were told in advance that this is written in the Bible. Don't act surprised when it happens.

Jehovah "hostile" God coming back eh? Blood down the streets up to their necks? Come to judge the righteous judgment no doubt. Bet he doesn't cuss once whilst throwing most humans into hell. I can hear the saved singing PARTYYYYY. Yey, your enemies will be destroyed Cobra.All them nasty men/women/children who worshipped ole Alluh, get their just desserts.

And it's 1 2 3 what are we fighting for
Don't ask me I don't give a damn
Next stop is ole Islam.

[01cobravortech]

The Palestinians have more RIGHT than YOU LOT............................Rothschilds and their henchmen

Yea, yea, yea. Typical person ignorant of Middle East history and the land of Israel. Get the facts out of here right? LOL Rothschilds, Rockerfellars, Roosevelts, Warburgs, etc. every last one of them are Edomites. You've been had by devilish people trying to galvanize you to hate Israel and Jews altogether for no logical reason.

[lightgiver]

Yea, yea, yea. Typical person ignorant of Middle East history and the land of Israel. Get the facts out of here right? LOL Rothschilds, Rockerfellars, Roosevelts, Warburgs, etc. every last one of them are Edomites. You've been had by devilish people trying to galvanize you to hate Israel and Jews altogether for no logical reason.

It is you who has been had my friend

Could you explain this?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8721/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg/)

Or maybe this?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8118/mtvyoginioj1.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/mtvyoginioj1.jpg/)

Egyptian Roots of Catholicism –
The Show Must Go On

"In their hidden character the enigmas of the Egyptians were very similar to those of the Jews."
– Clement of Alexandria (Stromata, v7 iii p56)

The Palestinian fantasy of a Jesus Christ was already endemic in the religious milieu of Egypt when Constantine gave the Faith its seal of approval. The 'Flight to Egypt' in Matthew, was probably written into the story by the Church of Alexandria – it appears in none of the other gospels and contradicts the return to Nazareth.

Coptic 'tradition' has it that Jesus spent his childhood in Egypt – and that the 'Nativity' occurred in the Fayum at Ahnas (Heracleopolis Magna), which just happens to have been a cult centre for Arsaphes, son of Isis!

In the hands of 4th century bishop Athanasius, the key aspect of the Egyptian god/human interface – "Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father" – entered Christian theology. Athanasius wrote:

"The Word, then, visited that Earth in which He was yet always present...
Coming as God and as Man... Revealing Himself, conquering Death, and restored to life."
(On the Incarnation)


Thus the religion of the Pharaohs was recast in Christian form – theology, iconology and the whole glorious paraphernalia of priestcraft.

http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-028.html

Cleopatra’s coinage hailed her as Isis, the ‘New Goddess,’ and she was actively worshipped as such in Egypt. After the ‘Donations of Alexandria’ she was never in public without her Isis robes. Caesar had even recognized Cleopatra as Isis in a triumph held in Rome.

The names Cleopatra chose for the twins are telling. The boy was known as Alexander Helios, the girl as Cleopatra Selene, thus usurping the title of the Parthian king, ‘brother of the sun and the moon.’

[01cobravortech]

Jehovah "hostile" God coming back eh? Blood down the streets up to their necks? Come to judge the righteous judgment no doubt. Bet he doesn't cuss once whilst throwing most humans into hell. I can hear the saved singing PARTYYYYY. Yey, your enemies will be destroyed Cobra.All them nasty men/women/children who worshipped ole Alluh, get their just desserts.

And it's 1 2 3 what are we fighting for
Don't ask me I don't give a damn
Next stop is ole Islam.

Judgment is judgment. You can't get away from it. It is God's will for all to be saved, but millions upon millions reject his salvation. You see you have a very warped view of God. You don't want to bow down and accept His peace offering. You don't want to live accountable to God. You want to live your life with willful rejection of God and not showing Him the love and praise He deserves, but then you want to be saved in the end? It doesn't work that way pal. God's justice is perfect. Even now everyone can escape that judgment but people willfully choose to challenge Him and His covenant to the Jews. The most fundamental problem with people today is they want God to meet human standards of justice and love. People want God to be their personal genie, their waiter. They want God to answer every snap of the fingers. How ridiculous that is. God has been very patient for thousands of years and has been willing to do so much for humanity, yet humanity turns around and tells God we don't need you and has made a mess of thsi planet. And then people who openly live in defiance against Him, want God to fix their mess without showing any reverence or praise in return? What a joke of a view most people have about Hod today. This is an incredibly arrogant generation of people that wants to be shown mercy, but no love in return to God. God gave the world Jesus Christ and so many dismiss His sacrifice. Well then you earn the consequences for doing that. That's perfect justice. You aren't going to wish God away or stop anything that He stated in the Bible would befall this planet. The earth is dying from the curse of sin and God is getting to wrap this all up. You'd best wise up. That peace offering will not be around forever.

[lightgiver]

Judgment is judgment. You can't get away from it. It is God's will for all to be saved, but millions upon millions reject his salvation. You see you have a very warped view of God. You don't want to bow down and accept His peace offering. You don't want to live accountable to God. You want to live your life with willful rejection of God and not showing Him the love and praise He deserves, but then you want to be saved in the end? It doesn't work that way pal. God's justice is perfect. Even now everyone can escape that judgment but people willfully choose to challenge Him and His covenant to the Jews. The most fundamental problem with people today is they want God to meet human standards of justice and love. People want God to be their personal genie, their waiter. They want God to answer every snap of the fingers. How ridiculous that is. God has been very patient for thousands of years and has been willing to do so much for humanity, yet humanity turns around and tells God we don't need you and has made a mess of thsi planet. And then people who openly live in defiance against Him, want God to fix their mess without showing any reverence or praise in return? What a joke of a view most people have about Hod today. This is an incredibly arrogant generation of people that wants to be shown mercy, but no love in return to God. God gave the world Jesus Christ and so many dismiss His sacrifice. Well then you earn the consequences for doing that. That's perfect justice. You aren't going to wish God away or stop anything that He stated in the Bible would befall this planet. The earth is dying from the curse of sin and God is getting to wrap this all up. You'd best wise up. That peace offering will not be around forever.

I wonder what Rothschilds and the Knesset think of god

Salems Lot

their god is Moloch

Palestinian Child Sacrifice
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49022

[tannah]

Judgment is judgment. You can't get away from it. It is God's will for all to be saved, but millions upon millions reject his salvation. You see you have a very warped view of God. You don't want to bow down and accept His peace offering. You don't want to live accountable to God. You want to live your life with willful rejection of God and not showing Him the love and praise He deserves, but then you want to be saved in the end? It doesn't work that way pal. God's justice is perfect. Even now everyone can escape that judgment but people willfully choose to challenge Him and His covenant to the Jews. The most fundamental problem with people today is they want God to meet human standards of justice and love. People want God to be their personal genie, their waiter. They want God to answer every snap of the fingers. How ridiculous that is. God has been very patient for thousands of years and has been willing to do so much for humanity, yet humanity turns around and tells God we don't need you and has made a mess of thsi planet. And then people who openly live in defiance against Him, want God to fix their mess without showing any reverence or praise in return? What a joke of a view most people have about Hod today. This is an incredibly arrogant generation of people that wants to be shown mercy, but no love in return to God. God gave the world Jesus Christ and so many dismiss His sacrifice. Well then you earn the consequences for doing that. That's perfect justice. You aren't going to wish God away or stop anything that He stated in the Bible would befall this planet. The earth is dying from the curse of sin and God is getting to wrap this all up. You'd best wise up. That peace offering will not be around forever.

You're wasting you time on me pal. Your screwed up logic isn't even worth a cuss word from me anymore.

The earth isnt dying from the sin you are trying to reason. Depletion of forests, pollution and hunger isn't linked to the kind of people your dark views are focusing on. So shoooo idiot.

[logos880]

It is you who has been had my friend

Could you explain this?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8721/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/vydharmakarawmantraoa9.jpg/)

Or maybe this?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8118/mtvyoginioj1.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/mtvyoginioj1.jpg/)

The hexagram is not a symbol of true Israel. Israel without the pagan kabala. Kabala is the Jewish form of the pagan mysteries. Egypt, Babylon, Phoenicia, Sumeria etc. all had this religion. There are Christian churches that were infected with this poisonous doctrine as well.

[01cobravortech]

You're wasting you time on me pal. Your screwed up logic isn't even worth a cuss word from me anymore.

The earth isnt dying from the sin you are trying to reason. Depletion of forests, pollution and hunger isn't linked to the kind of people your dark views are focusing on. So shoooo idiot.

Hardly dark views. Its just where the world is headed. You can so no, no, no all you want but you can't wish away the destiny of this planet. How it all ends up has already been revealed. The NWO will succeed in its global government and it appears that at some point the AntiChrist will cause a nuclear exchange. This isn't going to play out like it did in Superman 4. Sorry to break the bad news chief.

[michael christopher]

Gee, something tells me you're the author and you really want people to read your book, then validate your theories and egomania. Just like every other conspiracy researcher and Christian fundamentalist lunatic.

[tannah]

Hardly dark views. Its just where the world is headed. You can so no, no, no all you want but you can't wish away the destiny of this planet. How it all ends up has already been revealed. The NWO will succeed in its global government and it appears that at some point the AntiChrist will cause a nuclear exchange. This isn't going to play out like it did in Superman 4. Sorry to break the bad news chief.

I still maintain things will get better when you and those with your mentality release your heads from your rectums.

[lightgiver]

The hexagram is not a symbol of true Israel. Israel without the pagan kabala. Kabala is the Jewish form of the pagan mysteries. Egypt, Babylon, Phoenicia, Sumeria etc. all had this religion. There are Christian churches that were infected with this poisonous doctrine as well.

Everything good gets hi jacked if the Truth is not told :)

Its not a bad symbol just like the swastika is not a bad symbol

The elites like to hijack symbols for nefarious purposes as most of us know ;)


2001: On September 11th the attack on the World Trade Center is orchestrated by Britain, America and Israel under the orders of the Rothschilds as a pretext for removing the liberty of people worldwide in exchange for security, just as they did with the Reichstag fire in Germany where the citizens were lied to in order to give up liberty for security.

2006: On 7 July the London Underground Network is bombed. Israel’s Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu is in London on the morning of the attacks in order to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the underground station where one of the blasts occurred, but stayed in his hotel room instead after he had been informed by Israeli intelligence officials attacks were expected. There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya

[ben87]

as above, so below

[ben87]

lol, christians labelling others pagans lololol.

[gba12345]

The antichrist will be an assyrian from nineveh, the bible calls him the assyrian- or ashur. The assyrian empire lasted 666 years the number of the beast. see my blog for the truth http://666mark.blog.com

[phildee3]

lol, christians labelling others pagans lololol.

I don't.
It's the Roman "church" that changed the word from meaning "of the earth" to "non-Christian."
lol indeed! Original Christianity is pagan!

[logos880]

Everything good gets hi jacked if the Truth is not told :)

Its not a bad symbol just like the swastika is not a bad symbol

The elites like to hijack symbols for nefarious purposes as most of us know ;)

The elites now are the same as the elites then. They follow a religious political tradition that has been handed down by the god-kings for thousands of years.

[ben87]

The antichrist will be an assyrian from nineveh, the bible calls him the assyrian- or ashur. The assyrian empire lasted 666 years the number of the beast. see my blog for the truth http://666mark.blog.com

Ashur was the one who overthrew marduk.

I will take his side over marduks anyday.

[ben87]

From the reign of Sargon II he was identified with Anshar[citation needed] (An-šàr) the father of An or Anu, probably because the similarities of the names. In this version of the Enuma Elish Marduk does not appear and instead Ashur slays Tiamat as Anshar.

Do you see that you are on tiamats ( satans, the DRAGON), you are on his side, you read his biography and try to make us worship the devil, shame on you.

[ilatif]

Anyone downloaded this BRILLIANT book yet, if not read the very FIRST post and you WILL!!

[herushura]

The term Antichrist is retarded, it means "Not Annointed", Antichrist is a make-belief character created out of a single verse from the bible.

Annointing is an ancient ritual that the kings and priest recieved, eg Julius caeser, Ptolomy, marcus lepetus eg.
the term doesnt apply in the 21 century, its meaningless.

Its even more retarded to look at other religious cultures like sumerians and point out, hey, look its the antichrist, Tiamat is not satan because the sumerian religion is not the same as the bible, they are 4000 years seperate from each other, why would they connect

why would the antichrist be from nevada, or pakistan, or usa, Hexagram is a Sunsymbol, its obvious by looking at it.

What even worst is the obsession with Lucifer, Lucifer is a goddess, and never ever was includied in the bible, ony has a mistranslation.

Get educated

[infidelyork]

Anyone downloaded this BRILLIANT book yet, if not read the very FIRST post and you WILL!!

Still being Mullen's puppet I see?... I notice the end of the World has happened early for his website, nothing seems to work anymore, I wonder if it's been 'raptured'?....

[ilatif]

Lucifer a godess?? seriously YOU need to get educated!!!

[herushura]

Lucifer a godess?? seriously YOU need to get educated!!!

ENCYCLOPEDIAPHO?SPHORUS (Phôsphoros),or as the poets call him Heôsphoros or Phaesphoros (Lat. Lucfer), that is, the bringer of light or of Eos, is the name of the planet Venus, when seen in the morning before sunrise (Hom. Il.xxiii. 226; Virg. Gerg.i. 288; Ov. Met.ii. 115, Trist.i. 3. 72.) The same planet was called Hesperus (Vesperugo, Vesper, Noctifor Nocturnus) when it appeared in the heavens after sunset. (Hom. Il.xxii. 318 ; Plin. H. N.ii. 8; Cic. De Nat. Deor.ii. 20; Catull. 62, 64; Horat. Carm.ii. 9. 10.) Phosphorus as a personification is called a son of Astraeus and Eos (Hes. Theog.381), of Cephalus and Eos (Hygin. Poet. Astr.ii. 42), or of Atlas (Tzetz. ad Lyc.879). By Philonis he is said to have been the father of Ceyx (Hygin. Fab.65; Ov. Met.xi. 271), and he is also called the father of Daedalion (Ov. Met.xi. 295), of the Hesperides (Serv. ad Aen.iv. 484), or of Hesperis, who became by his brother Atlas the mother of the Hesperides. (Diod. iv. 27; Serv. ad Aen.i. 530.) Phosphorus also occurs as a surname of several goddesses of light, as Artemis (Diana Lucifera,Paus. iv. 31. § 8; Serv. ad Aen.ii. 116), Eos (Eurip. Ion.1157) and Hecate. (Eurip. Helen.569.)

Therefor Lucifer is a Goddess, as it states in the above , and abstract from an encylopedia.
also note that ""ifer" make it a feminine name too.

[logos880]

What even worst is the obsession with Lucifer, Lucifer is a goddess, and never ever was includied in the bible, ony has a mistranslation.

Lucifer is in the Bible; no mistranslation.

Therefor Lucifer is a Goddess, as it states in the above , and abstract from an encylopedia.
also note that ""ifer" make it a feminine name too.

What difference does the sex of Lucifer make?

[rapunzel]

Lucifer is in the Bible; no mistranslation.

Lucifer in the Vulgate, where the mistranslation occurred, is not a proper noun. The only Bible you will find Lucifer in is the KJV. Other Bibles translate "Heylel ben Shachar" correctly. Don't you think that if the Jews who wrote the Bible knew that Ha Satan's name was Lucifer they would have included it in their manuscipts?

What difference does the sex of Lucifer make?

Given the early church's hatred and distrust of women I am astounded that they didn't make Satan a female!.

[ben87]

It is both male and female isnt it heru?

[herushura]

It is both male and female isnt it heru?

i did identify lucifer as apollo(male god), via apollos title, "Pheobus"(god of Light), if Lucifer
(Bringer of Light) is a poetic reference to the sun, eg the sun is the bringer of light, and the bringer of darkness. You should notice in all mythology the Sun is always masculine.

Lucifer is suppose to be the latin translation of "Morning Star", but, the latin word for Star is"Stella" and the latin word for Morning is "Mane".

Thus Morning Star is really called "Stellamane" in latin.

Alternativly, the Latin word for "dawn" is "Aurora", thus "Stella aurora"

But, Lucifer only means Morning Star, when it is a poetic translation of Phosphorus(Bringer of Light), aka the Morning/Dawn Star Goddess, Lucifer singularily just means bringer of Light, which could mean anything, eg a torch, candle, a fire starter.

The Morning Star appeares before the sun rise, thus to the ancients it must of acted like a beacon signaling the rise of the sun, thus was called Lucifer-Phosphorus, the bringer of light, The Mornnig star was always feminine eg Venus, whom was also titled Phosphorus-Lucifer.

[logos880]

Lucifer in the Vulgate, where the mistranslation occurred, is not a proper noun. The only Bible you will find Lucifer in is the KJV. Other Bibles translate "Heylel ben Shachar" correctly. Don't you think that if the Jews who wrote the Bible knew that Ha Satan's name was Lucifer they would have included it in their manuscipts?

What manuscripts? Could it be possible that the Jews picked up Lucifer from time spent in captivity in ancient Mesopotamia area?

Given the early church's hatred and distrust of women I am astounded that they didn't make Satan a female!.

I'm not really sure what your point is here, but maybe satan has a feminine side/aspect?

[ben87]

abrasax=lucifer=baphomet (hermaphrodite)

Abrasax

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vRwNTdciMis/Sk4-Psny25I/AAAAAAAAAB4/XEtH5DSBmxc/s320/dionysus.jpg

[rapunzel]

What manuscripts?

The manuscripts they had which formed the basis of the Dead Sea Scrolls since there no manuscripts have been found earlier then them.

Could it be possible that the Jews picked up Lucifer from time spent in captivity in ancient Mesopotamia area?

The Jews didn’t know anyone called Lucifer. When the OT was translated into Greek (the Septuagint)the word “eosphorus” was used. Certainly the Jews picked up the idea of a god of evil from their time spent in Babylon but Satan is not depicted as evil in the OT although it appears so in other later Jewish writings.

As for Helel ben Shachar, Shachar is the god of dawn in the Canaanite pantheon of Ugarit. He is the twin brother and counterpart of Shalim, the god of dusk. They were sometimes known as “The Gracious Gods”. I don’t know a lot about the Canaanite pantheon but Helel was possibly Venus. In the Baal Epic there is an attempt by a god called Athar to usurp the chief God, El. Some scholars think that Athar may be Venus but this is not confirmed.

I'm not really sure what your point is here, but maybe satan has a feminine side/aspect?

Since the Christians blamed Eve for the Fall I am just commenting on how they didn’t make Satan a female. As I don’t believe in a personage called Satan I can’t answer if he has a feminine side or not.

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Fascinating stuff. Recommended.

[logos880]

The manuscripts they had which formed the basis of the Dead Sea Scrolls since there no manuscripts have been found earlier then them.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are contaminated with gnosticism and shouldn't be considered true Christian doctrine and are not precursors to the OT/NT that is accepted today by the Christian Church.

The Jews didn’t know anyone called Lucifer. When the OT was translated into Greek (the Septuagint)the word “eosphorus” was used. Certainly the Jews picked up the idea of a god of evil from their time spent in Babylon but Satan is not depicted as evil in the OT although it appears so in other later Jewish writings.

In Greek mythology, Hesperus (Greek Ἓσπερος Hesperos) (Roman equivalent: Vesper cf. "evening", "supper", "evening star", "west"[1]), the Evening Star is the son of the dawn goddess Eos (Roman equivalent: Aurora) and brother of Eosphorus (Ηωσφόρος Eosphoros "dawn-bearer"); also Phosphorus (Φωσφόρος, Latin: Lucifer, lit. "light-bearer", Iubar), the Morning Star. Hesperus' father was Cephalus, a mortal, while Eosphoros' was the star god Astraios.

In the Bible, the Hebraic text in Isaiah 14:2 refers to Helel Ben Shachar or Heylel Ben-Shachar (הילל בן שחר). Helel Ben-Schachar is translated into English as “O shining star, son of the dawn!" The name Lucifer is a translation of Helel Ben-Shachar into Latin by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Lucifer derives from two Latin words, lux (light) and fero (to bear–to bring), meaning light-bearer, light-bringer.

As for Helel ben Shachar, Shachar is the god of dawn in the Canaanite pantheon of Ugarit. He is the twin brother and counterpart of Shalim, the god of dusk. They were sometimes known as “The Gracious Gods”. I don’t know a lot about the Canaanite pantheon but Helel was possibly Venus. In the Baal Epic there is an attempt by a god called Athar to usurp the chief God, El. Some scholars think that Athar may be Venus but this is not confirmed.

I'd be willing to bet that Helel and twin brother Shalim are representations of Venus. In the Sumerian pantheon Ishtar and Inanna were representations of the evening star and the morning star respectively. But eventually the evening star and the morning star were discovered to both be, in reality, Venus. The morning star, the bringer of light, was also known as Lucifer.

So, it turns out that the evening star (eosphorus) is the morning star (lucifer). They are one in the same, Venus. In fact, it was this discovery that led to the discovery of the pentagram which is based on the orbit of Venus.

Since the Christians blamed Eve for the Fall I am just commenting on how they didn’t make Satan a female. As I don’t believe in a personage called Satan I can’t answer if he has a feminine side or not.

In Christian tradition Adam was held just as accountable as Eve. Both sinned, were ejected from the garden, and received natural consequences of pain and death for their disobedience.

Moving forward with the concept of enlightenment, depending on one's perspective, it could be argued that the serpent in Genesis brought a form of "enlightenment" to Adam and Eve. To tie this all together, serpents are typically associated with the feminine. What I am suggesting here is that Lucifer, Venus, and the Serpent are all one in the same. There is an underlying concept that these figures all seem to have in common.

[nectars]

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Why is it an .exe if its supposedly free? Surely a PDF would have done...

Edit: Interesting. Decided to check it out and lo and behold it wouldn't work.

[logos880]

So what Is the true Christian Doctrine please :)

WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

[lightgiver]

WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

Where did you get those words from :)



British Israel" is a term used by Helen Peters in her 1970 book The Union Jack, to describe the manipulative efforts of elite British oligarchs to create a one world feudal society-controlled by British oligarchs of course-by first creating the state of Israel (the 1917 Balfour Declaration), and then using Christian fundamentalists to promote the idea that Christ will physically return to Earth and will rule a "Kingdom of God on Earth'.

http://www.redicecreations.com/connections/more/rothschildsillbank.html

[logos880]

Where did you get those words from :)

It is the Nicene Creed.

British Israel" is a term used by Helen Peters in her 1970 book The Union Jack, to describe the manipulative efforts of elite British oligarchs to create a one world feudal society-controlled by British oligarchs of course-by first creating the state of Israel (the 1917 Balfour Declaration), and then using Christian fundamentalists to promote the idea that Christ will physically return to Earth and will rule a "Kingdom of God on Earth'.

http://www.redicecreations.com/connections/more/rothschildsillbank.html

So what you're saying is the anti-christ will attempt to pose as the Christ?

Isaiah 14:13-14 You said in your heart, “I (Satan) will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

[lightgiver]

It is the Nicene Creed.



So what you're saying is the anti-christ will attempt to pose as the Christ?

Isaiah 14:13-14 You said in your heart, “I (Satan) will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

Where did the Nicene creed originate from?

I am not sure what exactly the anti Christ is ?

Maybe the Anti Christ is the TV , MSM and all the other labels implanting thoughts into peoples minds ;)

The psychological art of transference:

http://esotericmartialarts.tripod.com/ninjamindcontrol.html

[phildee3]

It is the Nicene Creed.



...and the Nicene Creed is not Christian.
It's fake, Roman, Judeo-Christian, confusion-generating hypocracy.

How can you say, "We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church" right after the filioque clause which is blantantly schismatic? Only a liar can recite this.

Satan is the author of confusion - and thus the author of the Nicene Creed.

Original Christianity is gnostic.

[bendoon]

So what Is the true Christian Doctrine please

You don't ask someone else, you read it yourself and ask God to guide you in the right direction. By asking someone else you are demonstrating a lack of faith in God and you will never understand.

[logos880]

...and the Nicene Creed is not Christian.
It's fake, Roman, Judeo-Christian, confusion-generating hypocracy.

Really, how so?

How can you say, "We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church" right after the filioque clause which is blantantly schismatic? Only a liar can recite this.

There is only one true Christian church. Don't you think a schism can be necessary in a certain scenario?


Satan is the author of confusion - and thus the author of the Nicene Creed.

Tell which part of the Nicene is not Biblically based.


Original Christianity is gnostic.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Some of the various beliefs of these groups included:
*A belief in reincarnation

* That Lucifer and Christ were brothers

* That Jesus was not the only begotten Son of God

*That Jesus was actually the Archangel Michael

*That Jesus was all divine and not man

*That Jesus and Christ were two separate beings

*That the Creator God of the Old Testament was evil

* A rejection of all the sacred books of the Old Testament

*That John the Baptist was actually the Messiah, not Jesus

*That Satan is really Christ’s father and the God of the Old Testament is the Devil

*That salvation came through good works alone, and not grace

*That every sin in the Bible was a virtue and held orgies as part of their rites

* A belief in magic words and magic spells

*That women were inferior to men and some groups believed were incapable of salvation

* That sex between men and women was evil

*That the "villains" of the Bible (i.e., Cain, Simon Magus, the Serpent, Goliath, etc) were actually the "good guys". A sort of "Biblical character inversion".

* That The Serpent of the Garden of Eden was actually good and that God was evil

* The worship of the Greek goddess (an idol) of wisdom, "Sophia"

*That homosexuality was permissible and the only sex human beings should have

http://usminc.org/gnostic.html

I'd urge you to read that entire article if you still believe that Christianity is compatible with gnoticism. Gnoticism existed before Jesus was born onto this Earth, so how could original Christianity be gnostic?

[logos880]

Where did the Nicene creed originate from?

I am not sure what exactly the anti Christ is ?

Maybe the Anti Christ is the TV , MSM and all the other labels implanting thoughts into peoples minds ;)

The psychological art of transference:

http://esotericmartialarts.tripod.com/ninjamindcontrol.html

No, the anti-christ is not the tv or the msm. The anti-christ is the counterfeit Christ. The false messiah that will bring about a false peace and the world will follow him.

You don't ask someone else, you read it yourself and ask God to guide you in the right direction. By asking someone else you are demonstrating a lack of faith in God and you will never understand.

Well said, it's always interesting how many people jump down your throat when you speak the truth regarding Christianity and Jesus.

[michael christopher]

Is no one ever bothered by the fact that they live in complete fear and subjugation to the very symbols which they have control over?

Doesn't get to anyone that they sit around in fear of an archetypal concept that is meant to be a spiritual metaphor?

No one cares that they're wasting their time and missing the point of spirituality by waiting for things to happen? No one is able to understand that they're being duped and made to look like idiots by believing that symbols are real?

Magic is about deception, illusion, misdirection. You might as well put your fingers in your ears and your hands over your eyes when you start believing in 'prophets' and 'leaders.' Stories are just that, stories with lessons in them. When you pretend they're something else, you're trapping yourself in Hell.

[ben87]

It is the Nicene Creed.



So what you're saying is the anti-christ will attempt to pose as the Christ?

Isaiah 14:13-14 You said in your heart, “I (Satan) will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”



Who did all of this? Jesus Caesar did, not christ. It has already happened.

Who do christians believe to be the most high? they believe that god had a son " I will raise my throne above the stars of God" ,who was a man. " I will make myself like the Most High" " I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly" ( the christians acknowledge the pope as "king of heaven and earth" which is gods title, not satans title!!!! The man impersonating god is the freemason,the luciferian, the elite members of secret societies, the same people who you "oppose", they call themselves the new world order. Do you get it?

This is why ancient biblical text is demonized. The original text told us that the man would impersonate god .

It even told us the names of the "disciples"(Di-De-Devil-DAEMON-ciples) who did this.

That is how they got man to worship a man as god.

[logos880]

the christians acknowledge the pope as "king of heaven and earth" which is gods title

If by Christians you mean catholics, then yes, I agree. I think you are confused, only Catholicism acknowledges the pope not Christianity.:)

This is why ancient biblical text is demonized. The original text told us that the man would impersonate god .

It even told us the names of the "disciples"(Di-De-Devil-DAEMON-ciples) who did this.

That is how they got man to worship a man as god.

Humanity was worshiping man as god long before Jesus walked the earth. Does the title Pharaoh mean anything to you? Apotheosis was a common practice in polytheistic religions. I would say that one could even argue that the new age movement is nothing more than an outgrowth of this practice.

This was the original lie in the garden from the serpent, "and ye shall be as gods." But, also remember the promise that God made in Genesis 3:15, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." This verse is a Messianic prophesy pointing towards the advent of Jesus Christ. :cool:

[ben87]

The pope was in control of the bibel long before protestants existed or anything other sect. That is when the damage was done.

The "son of god" is the pope, jesus christ did not say this, nor was he.

[logos880]

The pope was in control of the bibel long before protestants existed or anything other sect. That is when the damage was done.

The "son of god" is the pope, jesus christ did not say this, nor was he.

I'm sure you have some sources to confirm this, why not share them with the rest of us? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[luciferhorus]

... it's always interesting how many people jump down your throat when you speak the truth regarding Christianity and Jesus.

http://wrotemeamanual.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hypocrisy-meter-03-21-07.png?w=400&h=274

Well I find that almost the "worst" thing you can do to a Christian is to actually quote the teachings of Jesus where he states "do this" and "do not do this." Generally I find that when I quote the teachings of Jesus, it is the Christians who are the first to reject them, oppose them and to claim that the alleged infallible, unchanging (the same yesterday, today & tomorrow), perfect words of Jesus they are "no longer relevant today" and that his teachings only applied to people 2000 years ago. They seem to believe that in the 21st century Christians can be Capitalists, shoe wearers, propertyists, anti-Communists and that they are free to pray in public in churches (Temples) and to represent the anti-thesis (opposite idea) of the teachings of Jesus.

Essentially Christianity is a "make up your own god" religion which is then superimposed on an ancient Israeli proto-Communist martyr.

Shame. Hypocrisy.

Just as there appears to be absolutely no limits human stupidity, there appears to be absolutely no limits to Christian hypocrisy.

Lux

http://www.luciferia.tv/communist_jesus.jpg

[logos880]

http://wrotemeamanual.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hypocrisy-meter-03-21-07.png?w=400&h=274

Well I find that almost the "worst" thing you can do to a Christian is to actually quote the teachings of Jesus where he states "do this" and "do not do this." Generally I find that when I quote the teachings of Jesus, it is the Christians who are the first to reject them, oppose them and to claim that the alleged infallible, unchanging (the same yesterday, today & tomorrow), perfect words of Jesus they are "no longer relevant today" and that his teachings only applied to people 2000 years ago. They seem to believe that in the 21st century Christians can be Capitalists, shoe wearers, propertyists, anti-Communists and that they are free to pray in public in churches (Temples) and to represent the anti-thesis (opposite idea) of the teachings of Jesus.

Well, first and foremost, to be human is to be a hypocrite. Second, I'd say you are throwing the term Christian around rather loosely.

That being said, I agree with you. In America much of the Church has become associated with the neo-con movement which is a shame and goes against the teachings of Jesus. That is just one example, out of many, of this phenomenon.

Essentially Christianity is a "make up your own god" religion which is then superimposed on an ancient Israeli proto-Communist martyr.

Call that religion what you want but calling it Christianity would be a misnomer.

Shame. Hypocrisy.

To be human is to be hypocritical.

Just as there appears to be absolutely no limits human stupidity, there appears to be absolutely no limits to Human hypocrisy.

Fixed. :D

Lux

http://www.luciferia.tv/communist_jesus.jpg

Whoever made the above pic has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the meanings of the teachings of Jesus. Just about everything on that list is taken out of context. So, if you do plan to quote the teachings of Jesus make sure you understand what they mean first. :)

[edelweiss pirate]

Communists are the biggest murderers in history.

Also if you read that book then you'd be aware that all of the people involved in trying to expose the murder of Pope John Paul I and the Vatican banking scandal involving Masonic P2 lodge and Opus Dei were all handily murdered by the Communist Red Brigade assassins.


Communists are murderers and psychopaths.

Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao. And many many more.

Asking a communist for moral philosophy is like asking Charlie Manson to take your girlfriend to the movies.

But anyway......


The Red Brigades (Brigate Rosse in Italian, often abbreviated as the BR) were a Marxist-Leninist militant group based in Italy and active, via a number of political assassinations, during the "Years of Lead"..

The people they actually assassinated were politicians who were due to testify in court against the masons and opus Dei and Vatican financial corruption.

This is the reason our financial system is all fucked up now. The banks lent themselves loans which they never paid off. This all began with Opus Dei in the 80's at least with it's virtual banking monopoly on South America while all other banks were nationalised by the state, except for the Opus Dei bank.

This stuff is all in Michael's book which is a great read.

[luciferhorus]

Whoever made the above pic has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the meanings of the teachings of Jesus.

Just about everything on that list is taken out of context. So, if you do plan to quote the teachings of Jesus make sure you understand what they mean first. :)

http://www.ranum.com/linkedimages/hypocrisy-meter.gif

Well it is for you to show that the teachings paraphrased in the image have been taken out of context, rather than just to merely make that claim, which is essentially just a contradiction.

For example, an "argument" would state, that the words "Do not wear shoes" were followed by Jesus stating "Oh but my future followers can have as many shoes as they like" and so forth; that would constitute taking the above teachings out of context, or if Jesus stated "These teachings only apply to those of my own generation, future generations should entirely reject these teachings and oppose them, they can carry money, wear shoes, have two or more robes and pray in public." In that case you could argue that the above teachings have been taken "out of context;" however what I suspect the situation to be is that the teachings are taken out of the context of your own personal beliefs which are probably a rejection of, and opposition to the these teachings; this is generally always the case with Christian Capitalists who tend to represent the anti-thesis (opposite idea) of the teachings of Jesus.


Lux

"Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.

The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.

And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.

The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined."


http://www.luciferia.tv/communist_jesus.jpg