UK income tax

[danster82]

Similar to the question the Americans have towards if there is a law for paying income tax does anyone know if there is a UK law that says we have to pay income tax?

[asky]

Read the Income tax act
only three occasions does it say "must pay" which is what "freeman" tend to think makes them exempt.

However it does say "liable for" on several occasions
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2007/pdf/ukpga_20070003_en.pdf

asky

[the worm that turned]

Similar to the question the Americans have towards if there is a law for paying income tax does anyone know if there is a UK law that says we have to pay income tax?

I think a better question would be "where's the contract I signed saying that I have to stand under the income tax act?"

would appreciate it if you could find that one asky as I'm struggling

[asky]

Here we go again

You contract by living in this country and as such are bound by statute law and as the Income Tax Act is a statute then you by default contract.

Please dont start the "stand under" understand shite again.
If you dont want to pay tax its easy, just pack your job in.

asky

[h2pogo]

Here we go again

You contract by living in this country and as such are bound by statute law and as the Income Tax Act is a statute then you by default contract.

Please dont start the "stand under" understand shite again.
If you dont want to pay tax its easy, just pack your job in.

asky

what i cant understand is how can supporting organized crime be lawful..

[wakeupworld]

what i cant understand is how can supporting organized crime be lawful..

Chris Coverdale states why he believes we don`t need to pay income tax to a treasonous government in a previously posted video.

LEGALLY STOP PAYING TAXES AND YOU CAN STOP THE GENOCIDE NOW ! - YouTube

[asky]

Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs.

asky

[danster82]

Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs.

asky

You are bankrupt asky, thats why you cannot control property and you cannot pay for anything because you have nothing to pay with, you can only ever hold equitable title and you can only ever offset a debt with a promise to pay because you and your government are bankrupt.

With regards to the income tax act it doesnt say you need to pay it only stipulates details on how and what to pay.

[killmicrosoft]

Consent and Contracts

* Consent makes the law. A contract is a law between the parties, which can acquire force only by consent.
* Consent makes the law: the terms of a contract, lawful in its purpose, constitute the law as between the parties.
* To him consenting no injury is done.
* He who consents cannot receive an injury.Consent removes or obviates a mistake.
* He who mistakes is not considered as consenting.
* Every consent involves a submission; but a mere submission does not necessarily involve consent.
* A contract founded on a base and unlawful consideration, or against good morals, is null.
* One who wills a thing to be or to be done cannot complain of that thing as an injury.
* The agreement of the parties makes the law of the contract.
* The contract makes the law.
* Agreements give the law to the contract.
* The agreement of the parties overcomes or prevails against the law.
* Advice, unless fraudulent, does not create an obligation.
* No action arises out of an immoral consideration.
* No action arises on an immoral contract.
* In the agreements of the contracting parties, the rule is to regard the intention rather than the words.
* The right of survivorship does not exist among merchants for the benefit of commerce.
* When two persons are liable on a joint obligation, if one makes default the other must bear the whole.
* You ought to know with whom you deal.He who contracts, knows, or ought to know, the quality of the person with whom he contracts, otherwise he is not excusable.
* He who approves cannot reject.
* If anything is due to a corporation, it is not dueto the individual members of it, nor do the members individually owewhat the corporation owes.
* Agreement takes the place of the law: the express understanding of parties supercedes such understanding as the law would imply.
* Manner and agreement overrule the law.
* The essence of a contract being assent, there is no contract where assent is wanting.

[sindakit]

Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs.

asky

Does this automatically default his information to being false?
What does his personnal finance have to do with what he is saying or trying to prove?

[sindakit]

You contract by living in this country and as such are bound by statute law and as the Income Tax Act is a statute then you by default contract.

I'm bound by statute because I was born here? I'm bound by statute irrespective of the morals the gov't and what they do with the money I give them? I'm bound by statute to fund the WW1 effort?
What about gypsies? how much tax do they pay? I'm sure they have some sources of income.

If you dont want to pay tax its easy, just pack your job in.

Asky are you promoting being a freeloader!? Contradiction somewhere?

If I could with-hold tax from the gov't I would. I'll look into writing letters to the HMRC to claim back my tax. PAYE's a bitch. My employer won't do contract for hire.

[wakeupworld]

Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs.

asky


Not suprising that he is bankrupt. Very often certain people that fight for justice suffer financial hardship because of the amount of time they dedicate to this end.

I`m very suspicious when people choose to discredit the messenger and ignore the message.

Your post would have been more interesting had you commented on whether Chris Coverdale is right in what he is saying about income tax.

[yozhik]

Your post would have been more interesting had you commented on whether Chris Coverdale is right in what he is saying about income tax.

You do comprehend it's asky you're referring to ... right?
Since when has he EVER posted according to normal etiquette in an attempt to promote positive discussion??

Rule #1
Trolls do not do "positive".

Please ... I beg of everyone ... try not to 'quote' asky unless absolutely necessary.
I'm trying to save my eyes from unnecessary and cancerous negativity.

[girlgye]

pfff cancerous negativity you ain't seen nothing yet. Like I said he won't get away with it here but in case he does - I'm not looking. That man's behaviour made me ill so much so I was prepared to go jail for the rest of my life. They did me a favour jibbing me from TPUC. God works in mysterious ways. I briefly migrated to FMOTL to help Rich and I see already I_Amness is a clear suspect for something not very nice in terms of IT's alter ego. IT was an in joke between us who despised all his alter egos one of which was a very nasty paedophile image. No this is more than a troll this and there is no joke for it but when you're stuck with a bird brain who loves himself in the day time who says I'm going to let him say what he likes [yeah didn't apply that logic to everyone did ya]. If there is I have had a sense of humour bypass but he got ripped well and truely. Notice he's taken it off. Haha ha bloody ha ha.

I will be peaceful one day. In a million kalpas. Mr Taxman bring me a dream is it the cutest thing you've ever seen. Mr Taxman bring me a DREAM.

[asky]

With regards to payment/non payment of tax.

Weather you choose to pay income tax or not is irrelevent.
All your money is ultimatly tax at the end of the day.
Everything you buy has some kind of tax attached.
So by living in this country you are aiding and abetting its overseas activities weather you like it or not.
If you think you are so hard done by living in Britain then you can choose to live anywhere you like (and you dont need a passport to leave either)

I think the simple fact is that you enjoy the benefits that society provides, its just shelling out money to support it that is the problem.

asky

[the worm that turned]

^ nil by mouth ^

[asky]

WTT wrote
^ nil by mouth ^

do not post irrelevant images or text in other people's topics for no reason other than disruption; do not make any personal insults or irrelevant one word answers.

Careful WTT

ASKY

[yozhik]

^ nil by mouth ^

+1


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=552&pictureid=6340

Real trolls don't abuse you personally. They dig at you with subtle, yet insulting jibes. (You'll never find a real troll directly calling you an idiot or a loser or anything as lame as that.)
Real trolls have a touch of class and write in flawlessly grammatical English. (You'll find it extremely hard to pick holes in their well-constructed, illogical arguments, yet you know that it infuriates you beyond all reason because you know it's wrong.)
Real trolls don't get emotional or appear not to. (They're pathetic human beings who enjoy winding you up and then getting you to abuse them – but they like to show themselves as extremely reasonable.)
Real trolls don't respond to real logic. (They'll just target the weak retorts and then disappear into the cave they came from. It's the amateurish trolls who get caught up in a flame war and tie themselves into knots doing so.)
Real trolls aren't worth fighting. (Because their sole purpose is not to win or lose a debate but to get you to look stupid.)
Real trolls know which topics to avoid and which topics to raise. (They'll go after the weakest spot.)

Yes, avoid trolls like hell.
Internet communities are full of them and so much of time and energy is wasted in countering them.


source (http://www.merchantcircle.com/forum/thread/Your.Favorite.Blog.Posts/How.to.tell.an.internet.troll.apart.from.a.normal. flame/34364)

[danster82]

could people stop replying to trolls then, just reserve yourself and prevent your need to rebutt a troll and establish your egoic position, stay on point and either reply to the thread or dont reply at all.

This freeman section has basicly become nonsense because not one thread can stay on topic.

[asky]

Real trolls have a touch of class and write in flawlessly grammatical English. (You'll find it extremely hard to pick holes in their well-constructed, logical arguments, yet you know that it infuriates you beyond all reason because you know it's RIGHT.)

ASKY

DANSTER WROTE

become nonsense

No "become" about it, its always been nonsense

[h2pogo]

Chris Coverdale states why he believes we don`t need to pay income tax to a treasonous government in a previously posted video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQBY0ZO2Rc

thanks for posting that ..never seen it before.added to my favorites.

[tien an]

"flawlessly grammatical English"

LMFAO!!

tian an.

[asky]

tien an wrote
"flawlessly grammatical English"

LMFAO!!

dear me you dumbo
Check your dictionaries
asky

[tien an]

tien an wrote


dear me you dumbo
Check your dictionaries
asky

Check? Why?
Your use of an adverb to describe an adjective which describes a Noun is, at best, clumsy.

I would suggest "flawless, grammatical English."
Both adjectives describe the quality of 'English' (the subject).

Using an adverb to qualify the adjective ("flawlessly grammatical"), is superfluous, since flawless = grammatical and grammatical = flawless.

Who are you calling 'dumbo'?
Are you reverting to insults because you are being questioned or because you have nothing of importance to contribute?

(I'm still LMFAO...classic)

tian an.

PS Another good one: "Weather you choose to pay income tax or not is irrelevent."
(Two spelling mistakes in less than a dozen words can hardly be described as "flawless").

[asky]

Very Good tien an

Now just check back through the threads and see who posted it first :D

I simply copied it from yozhik.

Are you still laughing your ass off now you have insulted yozhiks intelligence?

asky

[tien an]

Well, asky; I've had a look, but frankly it bores me searching for evidence to sustain your attempt at deflection from your own mistake.

Would you mind pointing/linking to the post in question?

(Having a look around, I've had the opportunity to notice just how flawed your grammar and spelling can be...tsk tsk; 'people in glass houses' and all that...).


tian an.

EDIT: Ah, I see which post you mean now...the one that he copied from here (http://www.merchantcircle.com/forum/thread/Your.Favorite.Blog.Posts/How.to.tell.an.internet.troll.apart.from.a.normal. flame/34364).

So the original author's and your (since you urged me to 'check my dictionaries'), command of English grammar is wanting...

Tell me; did you copy "Weather you choose to pay income tax or not is irrelevent." from someone else too?
Or is that all yours?

tian an.

[asky]

tien an wrote
So the original author's and your (since you urged me to 'check my dictionaries'), command of English grammar is wanting...

But not yozhiks????????
Come on tien get your tongue out of his backside.

But it really is the freeman way to just choose the information that is relevant so I suppose you are loyal to the cause.

asky

By the way I am not an English proffessor and grammar is not as important as the content.
Shits still shit even if its spelt right and theres enough of that on here

[bones]

tien an wrote


But not yozhiks????????
Come on tien get your tongue out of his backside.

But it really is the freeman way to just choose the information that is relevant so I suppose you are loyal to the cause.

asky

By the way I am not an English proffessor and grammar is not as important as the content.
Shits still shit even if its spelt right and theres enough of that on here

i like to see you refering to yourself!!! ;)

[tien an]

tien an wrote


But not yozhiks????????
Come on tien get your tongue out of his backside.


That's right; it's not yozhik's...look again.


But it really is the freeman way to just choose the information that is relevant so I suppose you are loyal to the cause.

asky

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, even if you're wrong.


By the way I am not an English proffessor and grammar is not as important as the content.
Shits still shit even if its spelt right and theres enough of that on here
I'm well aware that you're not a professor of English and that grammar and spelling are not as important as the content, but you were the one who selected the 'relevant information' (and twisted it to suit your needs).
I know I 'have a flair for English' (my English teacher's words, not mine...bless her soul), but I don't boast about it.
I would have 'LMFAO' at the clumsiness of the statement whomever it came from, (yozhik included). I wasn't referring to or laughing at you anyway...aren't you being a little sensitive?

('dumbo', 'tongue, backside'...my, my you certainly know how to lower the tone, don't you?).

Which brings me neatly back onto topic...I don't see you exposing yourself to the wrath of the legal system of this country by acting as honourably as Chris Coverdale.
You have the gall to bring the man's financial affairs into the discussion...why exactly did you do that?
Was it an attempt to discredit him?
Or did you think it was relevant to the discussion in some way?

tian an.

[yozhik]

From the quoting, cutting and the subsequent responses, can I assume asky was attempting to attribute a grammatical error to me via proxy in an attempt to discredit me?

How very relevant to the thread ... :rolleyes:

Oh ... and for the record and on the record ... tien an has not positioned his tongue in my backside.

I am still chuckling at the irony [and hypocrisy] of;
But it really is the freeman way to just choose the information that is relevant

That would be similar to taking a grammatical error and attributing it to some one who did not author it, in an attempt to directly discredit them, as a precursor to accusing some one else of being a rimming sychophant for pointing out your error and nefarious attempt to besmirch?

Yes?

Some would say thats a classic example of Pick 'n' Mix logic, according to the handbook of the mythical forum guru, Mahatrolli Asky, who allegedly also penned;

"First you declare you've won, then they fight you,
then they ridicule you, then they put you on ignore."

Supposedly, this mythical guru may also have authored the mythical 'social contract' which is claimed by some to be the hypothesised foundation of the unnamed society which, according to some pundits theoretically acts as joinder for every unborn infant to this non-disclosed contract, allegedly with their implied consent, even prior to their arrival on this mortal coil; possibly dating to preconception times.

Amazing.

Oh ... and according to others with letters behind their corporate name and glossy/framed certificates on their wall [and the salivating, sychophantic wannabes]; this is THE truth ... and FACT.

:D

What a wonderfully elaborate and creative world we live in ...

[asky]

yozhik wrote
From the quoting, cutting and the subsequent responses, can I assume asky was attempting to attribute a grammatical error to me via proxy in an attempt to discredit me?

Quite the opposite
Just read the thread and see who was casting aspersions of bad grammar

tien an blamed me for it and then stupidly backed it up without checking the thread
I have no issues with peoples spelling but tien an has it would appear

asky

[tien an]

Quite the opposite
Just read the thread and see who was casting aspersions of bad grammar

tien an blamed me for it and then stupidly backed it up without checking the thread
I have no issues with peoples spelling but tien an has it would appear

asky

Have you read (and comprehended) my last post at all?


tian an.

[wakeupworld]

With regards to payment/non payment of tax.

Weather you choose to pay income tax or not is irrelevent.
All your money is ultimatly tax at the end of the day.
Everything you buy has some kind of tax attached.
So by living in this country you are aiding and abetting its overseas activities weather you like it or not.
If you think you are so hard done by living in Britain then you can choose to live anywhere you like (and you dont need a passport to leave either)

I think the simple fact is that you enjoy the benefits that society provides, its just shelling out money to support it that is the problem.

asky

Yes I`m quite aware of different taxes other than income tax.
Agreed we would certainly also be aiding and abetting the governments overseas operations, however should tax be unlawful due to a treasonous government, everything you buy/use will come with a receipt and that money would be repaid/claimed back.

[wakeupworld]

You do comprehend it's asky you're referring to ... right?
Since when has he EVER posted according to normal etiquette in an attempt to promote positive discussion??

Rule #1
Trolls do not do "positive".

Please ... I beg of everyone ... try not to 'quote' asky unless absolutely necessary.
I'm trying to save my eyes from unnecessary and cancerous negativity.

Apologies Yozhik for a delay in replying, yes it was asky I was responding to.
To be fair asky has responded to the post.

[tien an]

asky, your ignoring the questions posed here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058585784&postcount=29), could only lead people to believe that you have no answer to them.

Indeed, if people read your next post, here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058585836&postcount=31), they will see that you're not only not answering the questions posed, but have attempted to twist things (yet again) to accuse me of something I didn't do.
I've already explained that I was laughing at clumsy grammar, not you.
You really are a little sensitive.

This won't do your standing on this forum any good at all, you know...people might even think that you pick and choose information to suit yourself...they might even think that you're a troll.

So; why did you mention Chris Coverdale's finances in relation to his actions in attempting to take the former Prime Minister, Lord Chancellor and various members of the government to court?
And...what is the relation between the two?

tian an.

[asky]

asky wrote
Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs.

If that statement in itself not enough for you to deduce that he is not in a position to be giving advice to others in financial matters then I dont know what is.

He is bankrupt, dont you think that has any bearing on whether he has an axe to grind with society?

asky

[h2pogo]

asky wrote


If that statement in itself not enough for you to deduce that he is not in a position to be giving advice to others in financial matters then I dont know what is.

He is bankrupt, dont you think that has any bearing on whether he has an axe to grind with society?

asky

But isnt this government bankrupt..not just financially but ethically,morally and lawfully..
was he giving advise in financial matters??

[freeman craig]

all the worlds governments are financially bankrupt does this mean that they too are in no position to be telling us what to do ?

[tien an]

asky wrote


If that statement in itself not enough for you to deduce that he is not in a position to be giving advice to others in financial matters then I dont know what is.

He is bankrupt, dont you think that has any bearing on whether he has an axe to grind with society?

asky

Finally! Thanks for your response.

He's not giving others advice in financial matters; he's advising on how to get people accused of war crimes before the international court...

I'm sure he does have an axe to grind with the government...not society as a whole. On the contrary, he seems to be very much attached to society; so much so that it matters not to him whether he is bankrupt...he's taking steps to get them to answer for their crimes!
I admire him.

tian an.

PS "Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs." What a low, low blow: So all bankrupts are children that cannot be trusted to take care of their own affairs?
Legally, "in the eyes of the law"...perhaps, but that does not mean that they are immoral or incompetent.
That's a very dangerous way to view things...

[karl j]

PS "Chris Coverdale is bankrupt so in the eyes of the law he is a child that cannot be trusted to take care of his own affairs." What a low, low blow: So all bankrupts are children that cannot be trusted to take care of their own affairs?
Legally, "in the eyes of the law"...perhaps, but that does not mean that they are immoral.
That's a very dangerous way to view things...

If the governments bankrupted our respective countries should we not then treat them as children and remove them from power... just a thought using reverse pyscology.

[hypha]

Hey Asky, what is the legal definition of "must" does it equal the definition of "obligation"? x

[hypha]

Hey Asky, can you provide evidence that the United Kingdom is "Not" in a state of Bankruptcy? if you can prove this please attach an official Audit, thank you. x

[danster82]

all the worlds governments are financially bankrupt does this mean that they too are in no position to be telling us what to do ?

Well when the governments defaulted on their debt they were given the ability to pay their debt by putting up the people as the surety on the debt, so you person is subservient to the government as your performance is that of a debtor, if you acted as creditor then the government is in no position to tell us what to do, yet in order for us to act as creditors we need extensive knowledge which isnt really a viable solution for most.

[hypha]

People have succeeded with the Banker Solution using Accepted For Value with your exemption ID - SIN or NI number. x

[asky]

hypha wrote
Hey Asky, what is the legal definition of "must" does it equal the definition of "obligation"? x

Probably dont you know how to use your search engine?

Hey Asky, can you provide evidence that the United Kingdom is "Not" in a state of Bankruptcy? if you can prove this please attach an official Audit, thank you. x

I couldnt care less if it is or not, but as it is important to the freeman movement you could provide proof that it is if you like.

People have succeeded with the Banker Solution using Accepted For Value with your exemption ID - SIN or NI number. x

I would really like you to provide evidence of that.
By the way please dont ask me to prove a negative which seems to be the new freeman defence.

asky

[hypha]

What's a negative? is it a subtraction? because it is still a possitive in mathematics. Is it negative like a negative image, the same but inside out? x

[hypha]

No one needs to defend, silly. You only defend when you have your status at risk. x

[asky]

Nice one hypha
Now everyone knows your deluded.

way to go ;)

asky

[h2pogo]

No one needs to defend, silly. You only defend when you have your status at risk. x

:Dlol
he just dont get does he:D

what asky wrote after this cracked me up for some reason..
pot and kettle...lol

[asky]

What I do get is that no one seems to be able to substantiate their claims with any evidence.

asky

[hypha]

It's seems you are not seeing the point yet. Why defend, when there wasn't a reason to defend in the first place? Where does the defence sit? In that chair ok well i'm not defending so where does the agent sit? Can i sit where the defendant sits? I am now going to sit in the defendants seat because it is a piece of paper on the table and can't sit for itself. Now, Where do i sign? x

[hypha]

There are no claims. the claims are your side, the legal side. we are only being humans x

[asky]

hypha wrote

Hey Asky, what is the legal definition of "must" does it equal the definition of "obligation"? x
Probably dont you know how to use your search engine?


Hey Asky, can you provide evidence that the United Kingdom is "Not" in a state of Bankruptcy? if you can prove this please attach an official Audit, thank you. x
I couldnt care less if it is or not, but as it is important to the freeman movement you could provide proof that it is if you like.


People have succeeded with the Banker Solution using Accepted For Value with your exemption ID - SIN or NI number. x
I would really like you to provide evidence of that.
By the way please dont ask me to prove a negative which seems to be the new freeman defence.

asky

[number_6]

What I do get is that no one seems to be able to substantiate their claims with any evidence.

asky

asky, you have to understand that freemen when asked for evidence merely repeat their claims over and over again.

[hypha]

evidence evidence evidence evidence, is that good enough, maybe a little more, evidence evidence evidence evidence, evidence evidence evidence evidence. Wow i think i have provided allot of evidence now. Can you give me your evidence for your claims now. You couldn't provided it without a name attached, hehe. x

[h2pogo]

What I do get is that no one seems to be able to substantiate their claims with any evidence.

asky

you simply dont understand...the evidence is the facts and truth..there is evidence when there has been a crime..

or am i missing the point ...are you saying there is no evidence to say this government is not criminal??

[hypha]

And the fool said "I'm not a freeman, I'm imprisoned in my own logic" x

[h2pogo]

:D

[hypha]

you simply dont understand...the evidence is the facts and truth..there is evidence when there has been a crime..

or am i missing the point ...are you saying there is no evidence to say this government is not criminal??

He's talking about me claiming all the nice things i'm saying. they need evidence to support their own arguments because they want to keep it legal. but legal only works with names. but this is not good enough because it doesn't make sense to them x

[number_6]

they need evidence to support their own arguments

Yes I can see that is a not a requirement you recognise.

[hypha]

Yes I can see that is a not a requirement you recognise.

Hehe, of course there is no requirement, think about it x

[hypha]

Hey number_6, can you hold a banknote up high in the air and denouce that it is never anyone's property other than the corporation that created it? Would your answer be yes if i asked you if there is an obligation to ask for permission (terms and conditions of use of a bank account) before the use of such property where and when you like it? if so, then would it be against that legal obligation to pick a banknote up off the street (public) and use it at your discretion? And if no from the second question, if such notes are created with a statement "I PROMISE TO PAY THE BEARER ON DEMAND THE SUM OF ?? POUNDS" mean that it's an official note to certify that the creator is in debt to the bearer? but if you say yes to all the questions that you are in fact stating that the banks actually have nothing to show for that debt and that everyone is breaking the rules by using the debt certificates as a currency? Wouldn't this not make it clear as to where the monopoly is? There is no need to prove that we are owned by the banks when all we ever use is their property? x

[number_6]

Hehe, of course there is no requirement, think about it x

That probably explains why you believe what the likes of Harris and Menard preach. They are very shy at offering evidence, so it probably suits you.
Best of luck with it.

[hypha]

Can you not function without a name? are you a robot? Complex Legal Ramification Requesting Agent, CLRRA. Thought so lol x

[freeman craig]

Well when the governments defaulted on their debt they were given the ability to pay their debt by putting up the people as the surety on the debt, so you person is subservient to the government as your performance is that of a debtor, if you acted as creditor then the government is in no position to tell us what to do, yet in order for us to act as creditors we need extensive knowledge which isnt really a viable solution for most.

good answer danster thats what i thought so how do we gain extensive knowledge to act as a creditor?

[hypha]

That probably explains why you believe what the likes of Harris and Menard preach. They are very shy at offering evidence, so it probably suits you.
Best of luck with it.

What does Consent mean to you? Does it mean, "we pretend to allow you your say first but realy we are lying and you don't have a say". I smell extortion. x

[hypha]

good answer danster thats what i thought so how do we gain extensive knowledge to act as a creditor?

Start with Accepted For Value with you NI number as the exemption ID. I know Student loans have been accepted this way and lots of other unlawful charges. Don't ask me for evidence please. Look it up and weigh it your self. have a go. Make sure that there isn't a Lawfully binding contract by asking for proof. if there is Accept For Value, with the understanding of UK's Bankruptcy State. The debtors are still in possession. No evidence here, just a really bad poem. but insightful in ways. x

[freeman craig]

thanks hypa yeah i have heard of student loans being paid of as well but not much other evidence about i will be looking into it just need to tie up a few loose strings first.

[hypha]

There is a safe way to approach these things. Your wording is important, the use of understanding and Number_6's favourite, proof. Be business like about it, be formal at all times and if need be - where a suit when visiting anyone official that you are contending with. You need to look like you know what you are talking about so they don't feel the need to pull any fast ones and delay your REMEDY. x

[hypha]

Be careful about what information you provide on these forums, unhappy ego's are here prowling for any chance to make an example of you. This is why I DONT give ANY EVIDENCE. You don't want a big arrow pointing in your direction for any scumbags who feel threatened by our freedoms. x

[danster82]

good answer danster thats what i thought so how do we gain extensive knowledge to act as a creditor?

If you want information on how to be a creditor go here

http://www.creditorsincommerce.com/

But it is very in depth. Start with their free videos.

[freeman craig]

great danster thankyou very much

[scottmurray]

um is it not the "social contract"?do we not consent by implication?...in the absence of "express"intention.and is it not true that all statutes are in place in the absense of express agreements?
AND ANYWAY the protection offered by the state is half what it was for my fathers generation and double the cost....clear and un deniable breach of contract.
I know for a fact that common law tennancy agreements are pretty much industry standard for renting more expensive homes.short hold assured tennancy prive lege(private law)is only applicable in the absence of specific agreements put down and both parties agreeing to be legally bound.

Now its time for for common law employment contracts as what i pay my employees is between me and them and not no fucking nanny state that just wants me to pay high wages for their tax take ........
AND THE ONLY THING PROTECTING US FROM THE VICTORIAN WORKHOUSE IS...............the human rights act Which our lovelly government are cancelling and have almost pulled it off.TIME TO EMIGRATE......but where?????

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2009-10/constitutionalreform.html

[asky]

scottmurray wrote

what i pay my employees is between me and them and not no fucking nanny state that just wants me to pay high wages for their tax take ........
You sound a joy to work for...
You think your staff are not worth their wages as they are obvioulsy too high.

Statutes are in place to stop employers like you who would pay peanuts given half a chance.
Thats why we have a minimum wage

asky

[scottmurray]

your pound is only worth what you can buy for it,a business biggest expense is labour. in times of rescession people get paid less in real terms then the economy learns to sustain itself for less and it all becomes more realistic. earn less pay less,that way we wont lose all important call center jobs that underpin our economy to indian call centres.
economic relitivity and dispanencies of wealth coupled with lower militancy levels make for a smashing time.IN INDIA THEY ARE HAVING A BOOM TIME AND ALL ARE WEALTHY (who work anyway)and they are earning 50 quid a month.
its cheaper to import coal from china than open our own mines becuase our wage expectancy makes it cost prohibitive.

ASKY mate try and see the big picture and i dont pay peanuts i pay considerably more than would be expected but that is MY CHOICE not no fucking nanny red state.Serious buisniness is now looking overseas becuase of silly government policy and then who knows what???




scottmurray wrote


You sound a joy to work for...
You think your staff are not worth their wages as they are obvioulsy too high.

Statutes are in place to stop employers like you who would pay peanuts given half a chance.
Thats why we have a minimum wage

asky

[hypha]

scottmurray wrote


You sound a joy to work for...
You think your staff are not worth their wages as they are obvioulsy too high.

Statutes are in place to stop employers like you who would pay peanuts given half a chance.
Thats why we have a minimum wage

asky

Again the idiot speaks with a closed mind. People apply to work for a job, they wouldn't work if they didn't know what they would be paid. You need a good old slap around the chops for that one. x

[ndc777]

They charge tax, then raise it, raise it again, and again, and again, and if there's anyone who can't afford to pay it, they send them to jail.

All taxes are FORBIDDEN under God's Laws in Leviticus. It's one of the biggest crimes of the world's governments.

[lightindarkness]

They charge tax, then raise it, raise it again, and again, and again, and if there's anyone who can't afford to pay it, they send them to jail.

All taxes are FORBIDDEN under God's Laws in Leviticus. It's one of the biggest crimes of the world's governments.

O rly?

I love how Freeman on the land go around assuming, first, that the Bible is some sort of foundation for the modern law. Its not - because not everyone believes in the bible. Yet even when we actually use the bible, we find that it support the law in all sorts of way that Freemen hate.

The bible says you should be paying taxes and they are quite legal:


15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are.
17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?
19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius,
20 and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?”
21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”


Chapter 13 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.


6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Well look at that...the bible tells us not only to pay taxes, but to submit to government authority. It tells us that yes, indeed, you should be paying your taxes. But how can this be? All of this is quite in contrary to freeman principle! Whom is right?

[karl j]

Lightindarkness... firstly, you selectively quote Gospel as many do who use it to suggest that the bible says we should pay taxes save me explining it i point you and especially all the others reading here http://www.naturalgod.com/RenderCaesar.html
Secondly, anyone who follows Romans 13 and the new testaments deserves what they get, it was written by and for the rulers for the benefit of the rulers, not the people and followers of god and his word...The old testament should be referred to and the older and more original the better.

Here is the closer translation

Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God

Repeatedly in the text the Holy Spirit calls the governing authority God's servant (Romans 13:4). But that does not necessarily mean that they are good and faithful servants. Because of sin so often they use their authority for personal gain rather than the public good. They promote evil rather than uphold justice. But whether they are good servants or bad servants, they are still God's servant. He is in charge. He will hold them accountable. So don't worry that they are getting away with it. There will be a final reckoning much greater than any ballot box.

[lightindarkness]

Lightindarkness... firstly, you selectively quote Gospel as many do who use it to suggest that the bible says we should pay taxes save me explining it i point you and especially all the others reading here

Sorry, making up that you only have to do whats in the Bible and then selectively ignoring ALL the passages in the bible that tell you that YES you must pay taxes just proves your a Freeloader On the Land Instead of a Freeman. There are NUMEROUS passages, ALL of which say the same thing.

No amount of squirming is going to change the meaning of this:

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

[h2pogo]

lightindarknes was that last quote taken from romans in the new testament..

[asky]

Here it is in full :D

Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

It goes from bad to worse for the God fearing freeman.

asky

[karl j]

No amount of squirming is going to change the meaning of this:
Quote:
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.


Sorry, didn't squirm all that much as i already answered you in my 1st post, the quote you gave was from the new testament, the actual translation is :-Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God

Seems i'm not the only one (if indeed i am) who is selective in their posts and references... Please don't think this was an invitation to discuss, you will quote the stuff written by the elites for the benefit of the elites and i and others will quote the truth as seen over thousands of years, there will never be a meeting of minds so please don't try.

[karl j]

Here it is in full :D



It goes from bad to worse for the God fearing freeman.

asky

Again only if you quote from the elite translations who are using religion as a medium of control and i never found anything on about.com remotely close to the truth on anything i ever researched.

[asky]

But I thought the law was based on Christian principles?

Are you now saying that the cause no loss or harm (do unto others) is now irrellevant because it comes from the same controlling religon??


asky

[h2pogo]

Here it is in full :D



It goes from bad to worse for the God fearing freeman.

asky

thats from the new testament.see the difference in the king James version..


The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.

The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the
Romans
13

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
6 For, for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. Mt. 22.21 · Mk. 12.17 · Lk. 20.25
8 ¶ Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Ex. 20.14 · Deut. 5.18 Thou shalt not kill, Ex. 20.13 · Deut. 5.17 Thou shalt not steal, Ex. 20.15 · Deut. 5.19 Thou shalt not bear false witness, Ex. 20.16 · Deut. 5.20 Thou shalt not covet; Ex. 20.17 · Deut. 5.21 and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Lev. 19.18
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 ¶ And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying:
14 but put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

[karl j]

But I thought the law was based on Christian principles?

Are you now saying that the cause no loss or harm (do unto others) is now irrellevant because it comes from the same controlling religon??


asky

The Original principles are good ones, the bastardisation of the principles for the benefit of those in power are not.

[asky]

The Original principles are good ones,

By original you mean the King James version written in 1611?

I think the original was written a bit earlier than that

ASKY

[sindakit]

King james version is the one most in keeping with UK law. do you know about protestants?


Edit: don't answer me actually. Troll-time is over.

Uk income tax. Topic related please.

[asky]

Why, what have those pesky protestants been up to again

asky

[chateaux]

Here it is in full

Quote:
Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
It goes from bad to worse for the God fearing freeman.

asky

Nice quote.

The reason why no one should pay tax is simple. There is no need to pay tax. Much of my work is about developing better systems for societies to operate under and one of my focuses is on money systems.

Money is like energy, in fact it is energy. And if you know anything about the conservation of energy, it can neither be created nor destroyed, it simply exists in one form or other.

Current money systems within our societies are being leached... i.e. a vast amount of "energy" is being taken out of the systems and not being put back into the things we collectively need. Compounded inflation is one way of raping the energy systems. Flooding the market with printed money is another.

I always tell people that money does not move 'to' you, it comes 'from' you. You are the source of this energy. And each time you do something within a society, money is created. Obviously it does not quite work this way as we first have to get "permission" to use our energy (i.e. a bank loan) before we can do something useful (like build houses for the millions of people who need shelter here in South Africa).

A money system that is based on debt, and involves interest is something that should be removed from our society. Money or energy is the tool that touches every aspect of our lives and it should come without yoke.

Get this right, the cost of everything you see will drop, taxes will be a thing of the past and we as a people will be closer than ever.