666 Busted

[the crusader 1000]

666 Busted - Nibiru Palace Part 13 - YouTube

Gorilla199 Channel - 666 Busted - HELIOS is The Sun God Beast from the Pit - APOLLYON
Through the Grace of Jesus Christ our Lord I have understood the number of The Beast
Revelation 9.11 "They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon".
Haleluyah our Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Back for us all

[redorbluepill]

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

II Kings 2:23-24

[amaralsright]

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

II Kings 2:23-24

Yeah... God was a bit OTT with his punishment there.

Remember "God is love".

[kodiak]

Yeah... God was a bit OTT with his punishment there.

Remember "God is love".

To His own elect that is. To the rest, God is a consuming fire (Deut 4:24). I'm really sick of all this selective cherry picking of Scripture to try to justify rejecting God. You think God owes you happiness and a sweet time, and yet you despise Him.

[oioioi]

Yeah... God was a bit OTT with his punishment there.

Remember "God is love".

Everyone's entitled to have a bad day at work.

[amaralsright]

To His own elect that is. To the rest, God is a consuming fire (Deut 4:24). I'm really sick of all this selective cherry picking of Scripture to try to justify rejecting God. You think God owes you happiness and a sweet time, and yet you despise Him.

I'm sorry?

You think using a bear to maul some kids to death because they called someone baldy is acceptable?

Do you get a kick out of reading Numbers 31?

Or the silly flood story where millions were wiped out?

Are you going to be happy in heaven knowing all the time that people are burning in the worse possible agony for all eternity because they didn't want to buy the conflicting and contradictory claptrap being spouted by the world's thousands of christian sects?

I presume you think you are part of God's elect.
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Well good luck to you, because the God of the Bible is a nasty God who doesn't keep his promises and kills people as part of a bet with the Devil. You're just his clay see... if he wants to throw you into hell after all he will...

That's if he's there at all.

[edelweiss pirate]

Well good luck to you, because the God of the Bible is a nasty God who doesn't keep his promises and kills people as part of a bet with the Devil. You're just his clay see... if he wants to throw you into hell after all he will...

That's if he's there at all.

There's a god alright..... but it's not the alien zookeeper Mr Jahweh.

[kodiak]

I'm sorry?

You think using a bear to maul some kids to death because they called someone baldy is acceptable?

Do you get a kick out of reading Numbers 31?

Or the silly flood story where millions were wiped out?

Are you going to be happy in heaven knowing all the time that people are burning in the worse possible agony for all eternity because they didn't want to buy the conflicting and contradictory claptrap being spouted by the world's thousands of christian sects?

I presume you think you are part of God's elect.
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Well good luck to you, because the God of the Bible is a nasty God who doesn't keep his promises and kills people as part of a bet with the Devil. You're just his clay see... if he wants to throw you into hell after all he will...

That's if he's there at all.

So you think it's okay to go through life hating God and then get all stroppy when you read about God judging people who hate Him? And you have the neck to use the word "contradictory" in your rant?

And show me one, even one, example of God breaking a promise in Scripture. Seriously, I defy you to do that.

[flox]

http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/2009/09/Godhatesfags.jpg

[ghostdogg]

... good grief ... 666 ... hmmm ... somebody been bizzy writing story 's in the old days ... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[sofa king]

And show me one, even one, example of God breaking a promise in Scripture. Seriously, I defy you to do that.



Genesis 9:15
and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh.




say... wasn't there a big tsumami in our lifetime that killed many humans and animals?

something that was captured for ALL to see?

[kodiak]

Genesis 9:15
and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh.




say... wasn't there a big tsumami in our lifetime that killed many humans and animals?

something that was captured for ALL to see?

Say, didn't the Scripture refer to a universal flood that covered the entire world? Hardly the same as a tsunami.

[strengthofknowledge]

To His own elect that is. To the rest, God is a consuming fire (Deut 4:24). I'm really sick of all this selective cherry picking of Scripture to try to justify rejecting God. You think God owes you happiness and a sweet time, and yet you despise Him.

indeed. all these people keep asking "why if there is a GOd would he let this happen to me..." well probably because your a horrible person? just guessing..

[kodiak]

indeed. all these people keep asking "why if there is a GOd would he let this happen to me..." well probably because your a horrible person? just guessing..

It's modern hyper-evangelism's erroneous teaching re the nature of God and man that has led to this nonsense about God existing as a benevolent Santa Clause figure just heartbroken that everyone rejects Him, even though he tries in vain to save most. It's a totally different religion to that of the Reformers, Puritans, and even the early Church of England, all of which understood God as Judge of the world, angry at sin and owing no man anything, with salvation being an act of unmerited mercy to those He, as sovereign, chooses to save.

[metacomet]

So you think it's okay to go through life hating God and then get all stroppy when you read about God judging people who hate Him?

LOL...

that's actually a really good point.

[strengthofknowledge]

It's modern hyper-evangelism's erroneous teaching re the nature of God and man that has led to this nonsense about God existing as a benevolent Santa Clause figure just heartbroken that everyone rejects Him, even though he tries in vain to save most. It's a totally different religion to that of the Reformers, Puritans, and even the early Church of England, all of which understood God as Judge of the world, angry at sin and owing no man anything, with salvation being an act of unmerited mercy to those He, as sovereign, chooses to save.

exactly. we need him more then he needs us. and we control a lot of our lives but there is still the destiny thing.

[measle_weasel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOqHA36Umc

Gorilla199 Channel - 666 Busted - HELIOS is The Sun God Beast from the Pit - APOLLYON
Through the Grace of Jesus Christ our Lord I have understood the number of The Beast
Revelation 9.11 "They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon".
Haleluyah our Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Back for us all

Watched the video... seems a bit convoluted the way he arrived at his conclusion.

[realy]

all you jehova worshippers should just support the nwo, its his plan of world conquest by the way.

[ge_mike]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Should keep the still-Christians busy for a while.

[marpat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOqHA36Umc

Gorilla199 Channel - 666 Busted - HELIOS is The Sun God Beast from the Pit - APOLLYON
Through the Grace of Jesus Christ our Lord I have understood the number of The Beast
Revelation 9.11 "They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon".
Haleluyah our Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Back for us all

Nah, its not happening. Revelations is not a prophecy

[marpat]

indeed. all these people keep asking "why if there is a GOd would he let this happen to me..." well probably because your a horrible person? just guessing..

Does that include jesus being betrayed and killed, and all the martyrs?

[redorbluepill]

Yeah... God was a bit OTT with his punishment there.

Remember "God is love".

Lol, how is this for synchronization? While reading over my post, I was just watching tv and on a commercial there is a baby, he's sitting in a high chair and says what are the chances of getting mauled by a polar bear and some other bear, lol.

[getmeout]

indeed. all these people keep asking "why if there is a GOd would he let this happen to me..." well probably because your a horrible person? just guessing..

Oh yea that's a very convenient way to view it isn't it. Makes you proud to be part of this magnificent race of evolved beings that is mankind..

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-Carlisle-Umunna-Biafra-Children-1.jpg

http://www.sudan.net/graphic/news/famine/Starving_child_carried.jpg

http://static.open.salon.com/files/third-world-starvation1231251718.jpg

Sucks not to be one of gods elect these days.

[joel1212]

fuck yeah, religion!

[dolores1]

I believe only the 1st. page and the next half page of the bible is about the Creater. This is the only part that counts.

After this it is down hill all the way. You get the "Lord God". Guess who this god of light is. His servants have been very busy. The killing of the Creater's children is their target. Most of the western religeons follow Satan, Set, lucifer, Judism started it and are the biggest killers, then Christianity and last Islam - all people of "The Book". Genocide child abuse and murder is their daily litany.

In this page and 1/2 at the beginning is the only truth; "God gave man dominion". There is nothing and no one who has authority over you. Every government or government servant is below you.

God gave man dominion over everything that creeps. We know who the creeps are.

Just recognise who the "Lord God" is and free yourself.

[leviathanstaar]

I wonder the attitudes of some.

Happy to mock those who are not 'God's elect'.

To apply rejection of this system, this idea, as only an ;excuse' by those 'rejecting god'

Only to some day discover, that were not so elect as they thought, by the very standard they were previously condeming others for.

There are none worthy.

[yhwhschild]

Oh yea that's a very convenient way to view it isn't it. Makes you proud to be part of this magnificent race of evolved beings that is mankind..

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-Carlisle-Umunna-Biafra-Children-1.jpg

http://www.sudan.net/graphic/news/famine/Starving_child_carried.jpg

http://static.open.salon.com/files/third-world-starvation1231251718.jpg

Sucks not to be one of gods elect these days.

Is that really Yahweh's fault or yours and mine because we allow regimes to starve these countries through their foriegn pollicies and global (piracy) markets.

[ladygoogoo]

I have enjoyed Christopher Hitchens scating critique of monotheism
in his book "God is not Great".
The ancient egyptians believed that the God of the old testament
and the God of the new testament were around back in the ancient
egyptian days. The heresy the monotheists will rail about is that
the GOD we know today was the one in ancient egyptian pantheon that took on all the bad qualities of the many gods of ancient egypt as they
grew and advanced spiritually as "godlike" beings.
The monotheist god(s) decided at some point (see Akhenaten) to strike out on their own and be worshipped singly and they have been more than successful in that.
But Hitchens has challenged many bible scholars and clergy to challenge
him in debate on the topic and he has never lost yet.
He believes as 21st century educated people we cannot possibly
still believe in the demagoguery of a 2000 year old sect that did
not understand anything of modern science from evolution to
astronomy. History has shown anyone who did not believe without
question after said religion was codified was thrown in jail or murdered. We really do not want to return to those glorious times again, do we?

[kasalt]

An atheist meets God
An Atheist Meets God - YouTube

[yhwhschild]

To His own elect that is. To the rest, God is a consuming fire (Deut 4:24). I'm really sick of all this selective cherry picking of Scripture to try to justify rejecting God. You think God owes you happiness and a sweet time, and yet you despise Him.

No mate they don't hate and despise Yahweh. They just hate and despise the false god of modern Christianity(Satan). Oh yes, Christianity does not worship Yahweh they just give Him lip service and follow the teachings of Mystery Babylon while stating they are more saved than the other denominations while they are just part of the same lie just the depths of this lie changes between the churches and denominations.

How many people on here believe that Yeshua is Yahweh even though Yeshua states that he is not and the Tenakh does not verify this theory.

How many believe in the pagan trinity and the Spirit of Yahweh being an actual entity other than the biblical teaching of the power of Yahweh.

How many believe in the virgin birth even though again this can be debunked in the "Old Testament".

How many people believe that the Sabbath has been done away with or changed to the first day(the pagan sabbath) of the week instead of the seventh. Even though this is an everlasting covernant between man and Yahweh.

How many believe that when Yeshua died he died to save us from the Torah and we do not have to follow it anymore. Even though this is contradictary to both the words of Moses and Yeshua.

Christianity will never help the world while it is in the same rut as the world. You cannot blame people for their reactions when the words that christianity teaches is not the words of Yahweh or of His Messiah Yeshua.:(

[branjo]

Its odd how we all seem to know (or have a good idea anyway) that there is a small group that is controlling every aspect of the world we live in, who have access to all sorts of weaponry some rudimentary and some very subtle and some extremely technological kinds way beyond our comprehension. And then to say that everything is unfolding just like the bible said it would.

Don't you think its a teensy wee bit possible that the reason the biblical stuff is coming true is 'because' these people who control our world are actually making them come true for a very good reason?

The bible says there will be wars, so they give the people wars. The Bible says there will be diseases, so they give the people diseases. The bible says there will be floods, so via weather manipulation, they give the people floods. The bible talks of end times, so they time all these things to coincide with something that the PTB actually cannot control, ie the turn of an age, 2012, Sun cycles or whatever.

What if the most important thing the NWO fundamentally need, is for you to believe you are soon to meet God. If there is the technology that convinces people that certain ET's experiences are real, then exactly how are you going to know that you are seeing God?

If there are frequencies that provoke fear when you are subjected to them then there are frequencies that provoke euphoria. If there is actually a project blue beam that can put an image on the sky then coupled with the feeling of euphoria how would you know its real or unreal, if you are subconsciously awaiting something along those lines anyway.

If the PTB do actually want to get rid of the religious people and leave the rest of humanity as slaves then whos to say they haven't cataloged the exact genetic makeup of everyone that presents or might present a problem for them already with some kind of genetic weapon or poison, in the air or water supply. What if everyone is patiently waiting to say "no way" to a crude RFID chip and they don't even notice the ingestion of a nano chip or a harmless virus laying dormant and all it needs is a trigger to activate it?

Personally I think people just need to believe in religions, and no matter what kind of evidence is presented to them, they will side step it and believe what they are conditioned to believe. You don't make a one world religion by destroying religion, you make a one world religion by assimilating religions in a way that everyone can still believe in the need for 'religion' itself. Why would you destroy the concept of God only to introduce a false God?

For sake of argument lets say Jesus did return, and he is in fact the son of God, what would everyone do with their seemingly contradicting religions? They would stop and turn towards the light they believe is the only true way. So really it doesn't matter if a savior does it or the NWO do it, the end result for all religious people is the same, a one world religion.

The best thing to ever happen to the PTB was for people to consider that there is one Being who controls everything.

Because to the New World Order, the belief of the people is all they have ever needed to control them.

When you stop believing in anything, you cease to be controlled by it.

Do you honestly think God will punish you for not believing in certain rules and laws? God didn't give you wings or scales, but you get in a plane and fly and go into the water to swim. Whatever God didn't want you to do there is no way you would ever be able to do it.

No one can be punished for any evil act if freewill is indeed a gift from God.

[kodiak]

No mate they don't hate and despise Yahweh. They just hate and despise the false god of modern Christianity(Satan). Oh yes, Christianity does not worship Yahweh they just give Him lip service and follow the teachings of Mystery Babylon while stating they are more saved than the other denominations while they are just part of the same lie just the depths of this lie changes between the churches and denominations.

How many people on here believe that Yeshua is Yahweh even though Yeshua states that he is not and the Tenakh does not verify this theory.

How many believe in the pagan trinity and the Spirit of Yahweh being an actual entity other than the biblical teaching of the power of Yahweh.

How many believe in the virgin birth even though again this can be debunked in the "Old Testament".

How many people believe that the Sabbath has been done away with or changed to the first day(the pagan sabbath) of the week instead of the seventh. Even though this is an everlasting covernant between man and Yahweh.

How many believe that when Yeshua died he died to save us from the Torah and we do not have to follow it anymore. Even though this is contradictary to both the words of Moses and Yeshua.

Christianity will never help the world while it is in the same rut as the world. You cannot blame people for their reactions when the words that christianity teaches is not the words of Yahweh or of His Messiah Yeshua.:(

A lot of broad statements there, and if you define Christianity as Roman Catholicism then you'd have a point (as it is indeed Mystery Babylon). I also agree that Sunday is no sabbath, but that said, I believe the sabbath was something ritualistic and for the Old Testament only.

However, you infer the Old Testament religion was not Messianic, which bespeaks basic ignorance of the Scriptures.

The entire Old Testament is predicated on a coming Messiah, "the Seed", "the Son of David", "Shiloh" of the tribe of Judah (Gen 49:10), etc., and that He would be God Himself born of a woman, hence the term "Emmanuel" (literally, "God with us" - Micah 5:2 - a detailed promise of the Lord Himself coming as Christ). Job said, "I know that my redeemer liveth and that at the latter day he shall stand upon the face of the earth" (Job 19:25) - if that's not Messianic, I know not what is. And that Christ should suffer for his people as sin-bearing perfectly obedient man is repeatedly asserted in the Old Testament, for example, Isaiah 53:1-12 and Psalm 22, which gives a detailed account of the mockery Christ subsequently endured at His death.

Even the passover and circumcision were Messianic sacraments, looking forward to the accomplishment and application of redemption, just as the Lord's supper looks back at the same. The ritualistic washing, etc., were well understood by the Old Testament believers to have, in themselves, no intrinsic merit in the sight of God but served to reinforce and highlight the need for the coming Redeemer. That's why David said in Psalm 51:16-17 that burnt offerings, etc were worthless in dealing with the matter of reconciliation with God: "For thou desirest not sacrifice, else I would give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise."

You also say Jesus never claimed to be God. But Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). Also, John 8:58, Rev 1:8, Rev 22:13, among other examples.

In conclusion, the Old Testament describes a religion that was Messianic, that looked forward to God Himself coming into this world as a man born into the tribe of Judah in the town of Bethlehem, that he would be rejected by his own nation and, after leading a faultless life, would suffer a humiliating death in atonement for the sins of his people, which, as the Old Testament also makes clear, includes all believers in Him from every nation in every age.

[kodiak]

Its odd how we all seem to know (or have a good idea anyway) that there is a small group that is controlling every aspect of the world we live in, who have access to all sorts of weaponry some rudimentary and some very subtle and some extremely technological kinds way beyond our comprehension. And then to say that everything is unfolding just like the bible said it would.

Don't you think its a teensy wee bit possible that the reason the biblical stuff is coming true is 'because' these people who control our world are actually making them come true for a very good reason?

The bible says there will be wars, so they give the people wars. The Bible says there will be diseases, so they give the people diseases. The bible says there will be floods, so via weather manipulation, they give the people floods. The bible talks of end times, so they time all these things to coincide with something that the PTB actually cannot control, ie the turn of an age, 2012, Sun cycles or whatever.

What if the most important thing the NWO fundamentally need, is for you to believe you are soon to meet God. If there is the technology that convinces people that certain ET's experiences are real, then exactly how are you going to know that you are seeing God?

If there are frequencies that provoke fear when you are subjected to them then there are frequencies that provoke euphoria. If there is actually a project blue beam that can put an image on the sky then coupled with the feeling of euphoria how would you know its real or unreal, if you are subconsciously awaiting something along those lines anyway.

If the PTB do actually want to get rid of the religious people and leave the rest of humanity as slaves then whos to say they haven't cataloged the exact genetic makeup of everyone that presents or might present a problem for them already with some kind of genetic weapon or poison, in the air or water supply. What if everyone is patiently waiting to say "no way" to a crude RFID chip and they don't even notice the ingestion of a nano chip or a harmless virus laying dormant and all it needs is a trigger to activate it?

Personally I think people just need to believe in religions, and no matter what kind of evidence is presented to them, they will side step it and believe what they are conditioned to believe. You don't make a one world religion by destroying religion, you make a one world religion by assimilating religions in a way that everyone can still believe in the need for 'religion' itself. Why would you destroy the concept of God only to introduce a false God?

For sake of argument lets say Jesus did return, and he is in fact the son of God, what would everyone do with their seemingly contradicting religions? They would stop and turn towards the light they believe is the only true way. So really it doesn't matter if a savior does it or the NWO do it, the end result for all religious people is the same, a one world religion.

The best thing to ever happen to the PTB was for people to consider that there is one Being who controls everything.

Because to the New World Order, the belief of the people is all they have ever needed to control them.

When you stop believing in anything, you cease to be controlled by it.

Do you honestly think God will punish you for not believing in certain rules and laws? God didn't give you wings or scales, but you get in a plane and fly and go into the water to swim. Whatever God didn't want you to do there is no way you would ever be able to do it.

No one can be punished for any evil act if freewill is indeed a gift from God.

Free will is not a biblical doctrine, much less asserted as a "gift" to humanity. Martin Luther wrote about its non-existence at length in "the Bondage of the Will".

And when Christ returns, it will be as Judge, not as Saviour, so anyone who doesn't believe before then won't believe upon seeing Him.

[kodiak]

I wonder the attitudes of some.

Happy to mock those who are not 'God's elect'.

To apply rejection of this system, this idea, as only an ;excuse' by those 'rejecting god'

Only to some day discover, that were not so elect as they thought, by the very standard they were previously condeming others for.

There are none worthy.

First of all, if you understood the term "elect" , you'd know that anyone who trusts in Christ as Saviour is humbled and filled with a sense of utter unworthiness at the doctrine of election, in complete odds to being inflated with pride.

Secondly, many who think they are saved are not at all, as they'll discover on Judgment Day.

Thirdly, the only thing I was "mocking" on this thread was the contradiction held by some in saying God should be good to everyone despite most people hating Him.

[fekdemasons]

So you think it's okay to go through life hating God and then get all stroppy when you read about God judging people who hate Him? And you have the neck to use the word "contradictory" in your rant?

And show me one, even one, example of God breaking a promise in Scripture. Seriously, I defy you to do that.


Read what you want into it... It controls you , so job done.

Btw.. The boogeyman is under your bed ... LOOK OUT ..:rolleyes:


As stevo says ,

FEAR , FEAR ... it dont work here..

btw I believe in Jesus Christ , the coolest man that walked the planet.

:):)

[yhwhschild]

A lot of broad statements there, and if you define Christianity as Roman Catholicism then you'd have a point (as it is indeed Mystery Babylon). I also agree that Sunday is no sabbath, but that said, I believe the sabbath was something ritualistic and for the Old Testament only.

However, you infer the Old Testament religion was not Messianic, which bespeaks basic ignorance of the Scriptures.

The entire Old Testament is predicated on a coming Messiah, "the Seed", "the Son of David", "Shiloh" of the tribe of Judah (Gen 49:10), etc., and that He would be God Himself born of a woman, hence the term "Emmanuel" (literally, "God with us" - Micah 5:2 - a detailed promise of the Lord Himself coming as Christ). Job said, "I know that my redeemer liveth and that at the latter day he shall stand upon the face of the earth" (Job 19:25) - if that's not Messianic, I know not what is. And that Christ should suffer for his people as sin-bearing perfectly obedient man is repeatedly asserted in the Old Testament, for example, Isaiah 53:1-12 and Psalm 22, which gives a detailed account of the mockery Christ subsequently endured at His death.

Even the passover and circumcision were Messianic sacraments, looking forward to the accomplishment and application of redemption, just as the Lord's supper looks back at the same. The ritualistic washing, etc., were well understood by the Old Testament believers to have, in themselves, no intrinsic merit in the sight of God but served to reinforce and highlight the need for the coming Redeemer. That's why David said in Psalm 51:16-17 that burnt offerings, etc were worthless in dealing with the matter of reconciliation with God: "For thou desirest not sacrifice, else I would give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise."

You also say Jesus never claimed to be God. But Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). Also, John 8:58, Rev 1:8, Rev 22:13, among other examples.

In conclusion, the Old Testament describes a religion that was Messianic, that looked forward to God Himself coming into this world as a man born into the tribe of Judah in the town of Bethlehem, that he would be rejected by his own nation and, after leading a faultless life, would suffer a humiliating death in atonement for the sins of his people, which, as the Old Testament also makes clear, includes all believers in Him from every nation in every age.

You have missed my whole point entirely which is not suprising as you side stepped the issues addressed entirely. There is no difference between Roman Catholicism and the rest of Christianity, all Christianity(Modern) is, is a wartered down version of its harlot mother.
Firstly I never denied that the Torah and the Tenakh are Messianic in content and niether do I deny Yeshua being the promised Messiah. What I do deny is the Pagan/Christian teachings concerning him.
You need to do some research as the Jews never ever assumed or had any inclination that Yahweh Himself was going to be born and die for us. If you have any inclination to who Yahweh is and what His Torah teaches then this is impossible as He Himself states that the Universe in all its splender cannot contain Him never mind a human body. This is also found in the early writings of the Messianic sects as they did not believe that Yeshua was Yahweh either and despite all the twistings and tampering of the New Testament writings Yeshua never stated this either. If you understand the true meaning of the Messiah and Yahweh's promise then you would understand the meaning of the word Immanuel as it means Yahweh's representative not Him Himself. Get the idea that the universe does not contain Yahweh but that Yahweh contains the universe so a human form or an angelic form cannot contain Him. BTW Yahweh cannot die. Neither can He leave Himself as He did to Yeshua on the cross. Neither can He be ressurected(cause He cant die). Nor is He schizophrenic where He feels the need to pray to Himself. There are many, many more instances such as these that show that the Trinity doctrine is a false teaching of Satan. I and the Father are one as well does that make me Yahweh as well. Again if you new scriptual teaching and Jewish concept you would understand that He is talking about being of one accord. Every thing that Yeshua did or said was not His words or deeds but his life was totally devoted to serving Yahweh and fullfilling the task set before him. As Yeshua stated in the garden "Not my will but thine be done". Read the prophecies in the Tenakh concerning Yeshua. It states that he will be born of both a man and a young woman of marriagable age (not a virgin) who is of the Tribe of Judah and he will become the promised Messiah and rule as King and High Priest (to Yahweh) of all the nations of the earth. He will be Yahweh's representative on the earth Not Yahweh. Also the scriptures state that after the 1000 year reign of the Messiah Yeshua will hand over his rule back to Yahweh. Mmmm doesn't make much sense if He is already Yahweh.

So your saying that Yahweh is a covernant breaker as well then that He has broken His everlasting covernant with man in doing away with the Sabbath.
Which part of this scripture do you not understand;

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets.1 I did not come to destroy but to complete. Footnote: 1The Law and the Prophets is a term used for the pre-Messianic Scriptures.
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.1 Footnote: 1Lk. 16:17.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.
Mat 5:20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees,1 you shall by no means enter into the reign of the heavens. Footnote: 1Mt. 15:3-9, Mk. 7:7-13, John 7:19, Acts 7:53, Rom. 2:23-27, Gal. 6:13.

Are you stating that we now live in a new heaven and earth and this is why we do not have to keep the law/Torah. Yes the sacrifices have ceased as they do not need to be continued because Yeshua fullfilled these through his death and ressurection that is undenyable but to say the Torah has been done away with makes both Yahweh and Yeshua liars.

Jer 31:31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a new covenant with the house of Yisraʼĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah1, Footnote: 1See Heb. 8:8-12, Heb. 10:16-17.
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה.
Jer 31:33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisraʼĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,ʼ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”

This as you can see is the New Covernant that Yahweh has made with the houses of Israel and Judah (what no Christians mentioned, oh dear). If you know your Tenakh (Torah and Prophets) you will understand that Yahweh had great difficulty getting the the Children of Israel to understand and carry the Torah in their hearts as well as their minds. This can only be done through the annointing of Yahweh's Spirit and this before the sacrifice of Yeshua was limited to Kings, High Priests and Prophets. After the death of Yeshua and when the price was paid through his blood all living flesh that called on the name of Yahweh and eccepted Yeshua's sacrifice on their behalf would be filled with Yahweh's Spirit and the Torah would be written on their hearts as well as their minds. From then on Yahweh would conect and teach His children directly instead of going through a High Priest as the price was now paid in full.

There are many many more instances in the Tenakh that show just how erronious the teachings of modern christianity is. Which much to my horror Yahweh has shown me over the years. You know when your on the right track because you appear on Satans radar and life gets very interesting to say the least as he certainly doesn't want you to know the Truth.

www.eliyah.com - is a great site to show you scripture by scripture the lies and untruths in the doctrines of modern Christianity.
But like I have told many before and what happened to me before following this path. Get down knees and ask Yahweh to show you His Truth then be prepared to have your life turned upside down just like He did to mine.

[realy]

First of all, if you understood the term "elect" , you'd know that anyone who trusts in Christ as Saviour is humbled and filled with a sense of utter unworthiness at the doctrine of election, in complete odds to being inflated with pride.

Secondly, many who think they are saved are not at all, as they'll discover on Judgment Day.

Thirdly, the only thing I was "mocking" on this thread was the contradiction held by some in saying God should be good to everyone despite most people hating Him.

you and yhwhschild are happy sheep 4 sure.

[batou]

watch out realy, you're approaching 666 posts!

[ianw]

666 the father of all eyes 30 seconds into the vid

6 times 6 = 36
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+... keep going till 36 = 666
36 is important to the ocult
6'+ 6' + 6' = 18'
60'+60+60 = 180 = straight line
put these 60' angles in the line and you get the triangle
father of all eyes ?
the 3 outside angles of 120' add up to 360'
36 = 666 father of all eyes ?
if God made made in his own image :confused:

[bigbud]

Hi All.

I thought I would also post this one, 101 . The reason for this is I am sure you will all know, the amount of people that claim the Bible is a book of myths & that there are no scientific evidence in there at all, so here are just a few for you to show others.

God Bless you all



1. - The earth free-floats in space (Job 26:7), affected only by gravity. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible alone states what we now know to be true - "He hangs the earth on nothing."



2. - Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.



3. - The Bible specifies the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15). Ship builders today are well aware that the ideal dimension for ship stability is a length six times that of the width. Keep in mind, God told Noah the ideal dimensions for the ark 4,500 years ago.



4. - When dealing with disease, clothes and body should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13). For centuries people naively washed in standing water. Today we recognize the need to wash away germs with fresh water.



5. - Sanitation industry birthed (Deuteronomy 23:12-13). Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.



6. - Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). The ocean is very deep. Almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the pressure there is enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the "springs of the sea." Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors!



7. - There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea.



8. - Joy and gladness understood (Acts 14:17). Evolution cannot explain emotions. Matter and energy do not feel. Scripture explains that God places gladness in our hearts (Psalm 4:7), and ultimate joy is found only in our Creator's presence - "in Your presence is fullness of joy" (Psalm 16:11).



9. - Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11; 14). Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled" and many died as a result (e.g. George Washington). Today we know that healthy blood is necessary to bring life-giving nutrients to every cell in the body. God declared that "the life of the flesh is in the blood" long before science understood its function.



10. - The Bible states that God created life according to kinds (Genesis 1:24). The fact that God distinguishes kinds, agrees with what scientists observe - namely that there are horizontal genetic boundaries beyond which life cannot vary. Life produces after its own kind. Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, roses produce roses. Never have we witnessed one kind changing into another kind as evolution supposes. There are truly natural limits to biological change.



11. - Noble behavior understood (John 15:13; Romans 5:7-8). The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin's theory of the survival of the fittest.



12. - Chicken or egg dilemma solved (Genesis 1:20-22). Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This question has plagued philosophers for centuries. The Bible states that God created birds with the ability to reproduce after their kind. Therefore the chicken was created first with the ability to make eggs! Yet, evolution has no solution for this dilemma.



13. - Which came first, proteins or DNA (Revelation 4:11)? For evolutionists, the chicken or egg dilemma goes even deeper. Chickens consist of proteins. The code for each protein is contained in the DNA/RNA system. However, proteins are required in order to manufacture DNA. So which came first: proteins or DNA? The ONLY explanation is that they were created together.



14. - Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements - all of which are found in the earth.



15. - The First Law of Thermodynamics established (Genesis 2:1-2). The First Law states that the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant. One form of energy or matter may be converted into another, but the total quantity always remains the same. Therefore the creation is finished, exactly as God said way back in Genesis.



16. - The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the creation (Genesis 1:1-3). Science expresses the universe in terms of: time, space, matter, and energy. In Genesis chapter one we read: "In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)...Then God said, "Let there be light (energy)." No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence.



17. - The universe had a beginning (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 1:10-12). Starting with the studies of Albert Einstein in the early 1900s and continuing today, science has confirmed the biblical view that the universe had a beginning. When the Bible was written most people believed the universe was eternal. Science has proven them wrong, but the Bible correct.



18. - The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). At a time when many thought the earth was flat, the Bible told us that the earth is spherical.



19. - Scripture assumes a revolving (spherical) earth (Luke 17:34-36). Jesus said that at His return some would be asleep at night while others would be working at day time activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night occurring simultaneously.



20. - Origin of the rainbow explained (Genesis 9:13-16). Prior to the Flood there was a different environment on the earth (Genesis 2:5-6). After the Flood, God set His rainbow "in the cloud" as a sign that He would never again judge the earth by water. Meteorologists now understand that a rainbow is formed when the sun shines through water droplets - which act as a prism - separating white light into its color spectrum.



21. - Light can be divided (Job 38:24). Sir Isaac Newton studied light and discovered that white light is made of seven colors, which can be "parted" and then recombined. Science confirmed this four centuries ago - God declared this four millennia ago!



22. - Ocean currents anticipated (Psalm 8:8). Three thousand years ago the Bible described the "paths of the seas." In the 19th century Matthew Maury - the father of oceanography - after reading Psalm 8, researched and discovered ocean currents that follow specific paths through the seas! Utilizing Maury's data, marine navigators have since reduced by many days the time required to traverse the seas.



23. - Sexual promiscuity is dangerous to your health (1 Corinthians 6:18; Romans 1:27). The Bible warns that "he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body," and that those who commit homosexual sin would "receive in themselves" the penalty of their error. Much data now confirms that any sexual relationship outside of holy matrimony is unsafe.



24. - Reproduction explained (Genesis 1:27-28; 2:24; Mark 10:6-8). While evolution has no mechanism to explain how male and female reproductive organs evolved at the same time, the Bible says that from the beginning God made them male and female in order to propagate the human race and animal kinds.



25. - Incalculable number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22). At a time when less than 5,000 stars were visible to the human eye, God stated that the stars of heaven were innumerable. Not until the 17th century did Galileo glimpse the immensity of our universe with his new telescope. Today, astronomers estimate that there are ten thousand billion trillion stars - that's a 1 followed by 25 zeros! Yet, as the Bible states, scientists admit this number may be woefully inadequate.



26. - The number of stars, though vast, are finite (Isaiah 40:26). Although man is unable to calculate the exact number of stars, we now know their number is finite. Of course God knew this all along - "He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name" (Psalm 147:4). What an awesome God!



27. - The Bible compares the number of stars with the number of grains of sand on the seashore (Genesis 22:17; Hebrews 11:12). Amazingly, gross estimates of the number of sand grains are comparable to the estimated number of stars in the universe.



28. - Rejecting the Creator results in moral depravity (Romans 1:20-32). The Bible warns that when mankind rejects the overwhelming evidence for a Creator, lawlessness will result. Since the theory of evolution has swept the globe, abortion, pornography, genocide, etc., have all risen sharply.



29. - The fact that God once flooded the earth (the Noahic Flood) would be denied (2 Peter 3:5-6). There is a mass of fossil evidence to prove this fact, yet it is flatly ignored by most of the scientific world because it was God's judgment on man's wickedness.



30. - Vast fossil deposits anticipated (Genesis 7). When plants and animals die they decompose rapidly. Yet billions of life forms around the globe have been preserved as fossils. Geologists now know that fossils only form if there is rapid deposition of life buried away from scavengers and bacteria. This agrees exactly with what the Bible says occurred during the global Flood.



31. - The continents were created as one large land mass (Genesis 1:9-10). Many geologists agree there is strong evidence that the earth was originally one super continent - just as the Bible said way back in Genesis.



32. - Continental drift inferred (Genesis 7:11). Today the study of the ocean floor indicates that the landmasses have been ripped apart. Scripture states that during the global Flood the "fountains of the great deep were broken up." This cataclysmic event apparently resulted in the continental plates breaking and shifting.



33. - Ice Age inferred (Job 38:29-30). Prior to the global Flood the earth was apparently subtropical. However shortly after the Flood, the Bible mentions ice often - "By the breath of God ice is given, and the broad waters are frozen" (Job 37:10). Evidently the Ice Age occurred in the centuries following the Flood.



34. - Life begins at fertilization (Jeremiah 1:5). God declares that He knew us before we were born. The biblical penalty for murdering an unborn child was death (Exodus 21:22-23). Today, it is an irrefutable biological fact that the fertilized egg is truly an entire human being. Nothing will be added to the first cell except nutrition and oxygen.



35. - God fashions and knits us together in the womb (Job 10:8-12; 31:15). Science was ignorant concerning embryonic development until recently. Yet many centuries ago, the Bible accurately described God making us an "intricate unity" in the womb.



36. - DNA anticipated (Psalm 139:13-16). During the 1950s, Watson and Crick discovered the genetic blueprint for life. Three thousand years ago the Bible seems to reference this written digital code in Psalm 139 - "Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect [unformed]; and in Thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."



37. - God has created all mankind from one blood (Acts 17:26; Genesis 5). Today researchers have discovered that we have all descended from one gene pool. For example, a 1995 study of a section of Y chromosomes from 38 men from different ethnic groups around the world was consistent with the biblical teaching that we all come from one man (Adam)



38. - Origin of the major language groups explained (Genesis 11). After the rebellion at Babel, God scattered the people by confounding the one language into many languages. Evolution teaches that we all evolved from a common ancestor, yet offers no mechanism to explain the origin of the thousands of diverse languages in existence today.



39. - Origin of the different "races" explained (Genesis 11). As Noah's descendants migrated around the world after Babel, each language group developed distinct features based on environment and genetic variation. Those with a genetic makeup suitable to their new environment survived to reproduce. Over time, certain traits (such as dark skin color for those closer to the equator) dominated. Genesis alone offers a reasonable answer to the origin of the races and languages.



40. - God has given us the leaves of the trees as medicine (Ezekiel 47:12; Revelation 22:2). Ancient cultures utilized many herbal remedies. Today, modern medicine has rediscovered what the Bible has said all along - there are healing compounds found in plants.



41. - Healthy dietary laws (Leviticus 11:9-12). Scripture states that we should avoid those sea creatures which do not have fins or scales. We now know that bottom-feeders (those with no scales or fins) tend to consume waste and are likely to carry disease.



42. - The Bible warns against eating birds of prey (Leviticus 11:13-19). Scientists now recognize that those birds which eat carrion (putrefying flesh), often spread disease.



43. - Avoid swine (Deuteronomy 14:8). Not so long ago, science learned that eating undercooked pork causes an infection of parasites called trichinosis. Now consider this: the Bible forbid the eating of swine more than 3,000 years before we learned how to cook pork safely.



44. - Radical environmentalism foreseen (Romans 1:25). Two thousand years ago, God's Word stated that many would worship and serve creation rather than the Creator. Today, nature is revered as "Mother" and naturalism is enshrined.



45. - Black holes and dark matter anticipated (Matthew 25:30; Jude 1:13; Isaiah 50:3). Cosmologists now speculate that over 98% of the known universe is comprised of dark matter, with dark energy and black holes. A black hole's gravitational field is so strong that nothing, not even light, escapes. Beyond the expanding universe there is no measured radiation and therefore only outer darkness exists. These theories paint a seemingly accurate description of what the Bible calls "outer darkness" or "the blackness of darkness forever."



46. - The Second Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy) explained (Psalm 102:25-26). This law states that everything in the universe is running down, deteriorating, constantly becoming less and less orderly. Entropy (disorder) entered when mankind rebelled against God - resulting in the curse (Genesis 3:17; Romans 8:20-22). Historically most people believed the universe was unchangeable. Yet modern science verifies that the universe is "grow(ing) old like a garment" (Hebrews 1:11). Evolution directly contradicts this law.



47. - Cain's wife discovered (Genesis 5:4). Skeptics point out that Cain had no one to marry - therefore the Bible must be false. However, the Bible states plainly that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. Cain married his sister.



48. - Incest laws established (Leviticus 18:6). To marry near of kin in the ancient world was common. Yet, beginning about 1500 B.C., God forbid this practice. The reason is simple - the genetic mutations (resulting from the curse) had a cumulative effect. Though Cain could safely marry his sister because the genetic pool was still relatively pure at that time, by Moses' day the genetic errors had swelled. Today, geneticists confirm that the risk of passing on a genetic abnormality to your child is much greater if you marry a close relative because relatives are more likely to carry the same defective gene. If they procreate, their offspring are more apt to have this defect expressed.



49. - Genetic mixing of different seeds forbidden (Leviticus 19:19; Deuteronomy 22:9). The Bible warns against mixing seeds - as this will result in an inferior or dangerous crop. There is now growing evidence that unnatural, genetically engineered crops may be harmful.



50. - Hydrological cycle described (Ecclesiastes 1:7; Jeremiah 10:13; Amos 9:6). Four thousand years ago the Bible declared that God "draws up drops of water, which distill as rain from the mist, which the clouds drop down and pour abundantly on man" (Job 36:27-28). The ancients observed mighty rivers flowing into the ocean, but they could not conceive why the sea level never rose. Though they observed rainfall, they had only quaint theories as to its origin. Meteorologists now understand that the hydrological cycle consists of evaporation, atmospheric transportation, distillation, and precipitation.



51. - The sun goes in a circuit (Psalm 19:6). Some scientists scoffed at this verse thinking that it taught geocentricity - the theory that the sun revolves around the earth. They insisted the sun was stationary. However, we now know that the sun is traveling through space at approximately 600,000 miles per hour. It is literally moving through space in a huge circuit - just as the Bible stated 3,000 years ago!



52. - Circumcision on the eighth day is ideal (Genesis 17:12; Leviticus 12:3; Luke 1:59). Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day. This is therefore the safest day to circumcise a baby. How did Moses know?!



53. - God has given us just the right amount of water to sustain life (Isaiah 40:12). We now recognize that if there was significantly more or less water, the earth would not support life as we know it.



54. - The earth was designed for biological life (Isaiah 45:18). Scientists have discovered that the most fundamental characteristics of our earth and cosmos are so finely tuned that if just one of them were even slightly different, life as we know it couldn't exist. This is called the Anthropic Principle and it agrees with the Bible which states that God formed the earth to be inhabited.



55. - The universe is expanding (Job 9:8; Isaiah 42:5; Jeremiah 51:15; Zechariah 12:1). Repeatedly God declares that He stretches out the heavens. During the early 20th century, most scientists (including Einstein) believed the universe was static. Others believed it should have collapsed due to gravity. Then in 1929, astronomer Edwin Hubble showed that distant galaxies were receding from the earth, and the further away they were, the faster they were moving. This discovery revolutionized the field of astronomy. Eisntein admitted his mistake, and today most astronomers agree with what the Creator told us millennia ago - the universe is expanding!



56. - Law of Biogenesis explained (Genesis 1). Scientists observe that life only comes from existing life. This law has never been violated under observation or experimentation (as evolution imagines). Therefore life, God's life, created all life.



57. - Animal and plant extinction explained (Jeremiah 12:4; Hosea 4:3). According to evolution, occasionally we should witness a new kind springing into existence. Yet, this has never been observed. On the contrary, as Scripture explains, since the curse on all creation, we observe death and extinction (Romans 8:20-22).



58. - Light travels in a path (Job 38:19). Light is said to have a "way" [Hebrew: derek, literally a traveled path or road]. Until the 17th century it was believed that light was transmitted instantaneously. We now know that light is a form of energy that travels at ~186,000 miles per second in a straight line. Indeed, there is a "way" of light.



59. - Air has weight (Job 28:25). It was once thought that air was weightless. Yet 4,000 years ago Job declared that God established "a weight for the wind." In recent years, meteorologists have calculated that the average thunderstorm holds thousands of tons of rain. To carry this load, air must have mass.



60. - Jet stream anticipated (Ecclesiates 1:6). At a time when it was thought that winds blew straight, the Bible declares "The wind goes toward the south, and turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, and comes again on its circuit." King Solomon wrote this 3,000 years ago. Now consider this: it was not until World War II that airmen discovered the jet stream circuit.



61. - Medical quarantine instituted (Leviticus 13:45-46; Numbers 5:1-4). Long before man understood the principles of quarantine, God commanded the Israelites to isolate those with a contagious disease until cured.



62. - Each star is unique (1 Corinthians 15:41). Centuries before the advent of the telescope, the Bible declared what only God and the angels knew - each star varies in size and intensity!



63. - The Bible says that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech (Job 38:35). We now know that radio waves and light waves are two forms of the same thing - electromagnetic waves. Therefore, radio waves are a form of light. Today, using radio transmitters, we can send "lightnings" which indeed speak when they arrive.



64. - Laughter promotes physical healing (Proverbs 17:22). Recent studies confirm what King Solomon was inspired to write 3,000 years ago, "A merry heart does good, like medicine." For instance, laughter reduces levels of certain stress hormones. This brings balance to the immune system, which helps your body fight off disease.



65. - Intense sorrow or stress is harmful to your health (Proverbs 18:14; Mark 14:34). Researchers have studied individuals with no prior medical problems who showed symptoms of stress cardiomyopathy including chest pain, difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, and even heart failure - following a stressful incident.



66. - Microorganisms anticipated (Exodus 22:31). The Bible warns "Whatever dies naturally or is torn by beasts he shall not eat, to defile himself with it: I am the LORD" (Leviticus 22:8). Today we understand that a decaying carcass is full of disease causing germs.



67. - The Bible cautions against consuming fat (Leviticus 7:23). Only in recent decades has the medical community determined that fat clogs arteries and contributes to heart disease.



68. - Do not consume blood (Leviticus 17:12). A common ritual in many religions in the ancient world was to drink blood. However, the Creator repeatedly told His people to abstain from blood (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 3:17; Acts 15:20; 21:25). Of course, modern science reveals that consuming raw blood is dangerous.



69. - The Bible describes dinosaurs (Job 40:15-24). In 1842, Sir Richard Owen coined the word dinosaur, meaning "terrible lizard," after discovering large reptilian-like fossils. However in the Book of Job, written 4,000 years earlier, God describes the behemoth as: the largest of all land creatures, plant eating (herbivore), with great strength in its hips and legs, powerful stomach muscles, a tail like a cedar tree, and bones like bars of iron. This is an accurate description of sauropods - the largest known dinosaur family.



70. - Pleasure explained (Psalm 36:8). Evolution cannot explain pleasure - even the most complex chemicals do not experience bliss. However, the Bible states that God "gives us richly all things to enjoy" (1 Timothy 6:17). Pleasure is a gift from God.



71. - Life is more than matter and energy (Genesis 2:7; Job 12:7-10). We know that if a creature is denied air it dies. Even though its body may be perfectly intact, and air and energy are reintroduced to spark life, the body remains dead. Scripture agrees with the observable evidence when it states that only God can give the breath of life. Life cannot be explained by raw materials, time, and chance alone - as evolutionists would lead us to believe.



72. - Origin of music explained (Psalm 40:3). Evolution cannot explain the origin of music. The Bible says that every good gift comes from God (James 1:17). This includes joyful melodies. God has given both man and angels the gift of music-making (Genesis 4:21; Ezekiel 28:13). Singing is intended to express rejoicing in and worship of the Lord (Job 38:7; Psalm 95:1-2).



73. - Our ancestors were not primitive (Genesis 4:20-22; Job 8:8-10; 12:12). Archeologists have discovered that our ancestors mined, had metallurgical factories, created air-conditioned buildings, designed musical instruments, studied the stars, and much more. This evidence directly contradicts the theory of evolution, but agrees completely with God's Word.



74. - Cavemen described in the Bible (Job 30:1-8). Four thousand years ago, Job describes certain "vile men" who were driven from society to forage "among the bushes" for survival and who "live in the clefts of the valleys, (and) in caves of the earth and the rocks." Therefore "cavemen" were simply outcasts and vagabounds - not our primitive ancestors as evolutionists speculate.



75. - Environmental devastation of the planet foreseen (Revelation 11:18). Though evolution imagines that things should be getting better, the Bible foresaw what is really occurring today: pollution, destruction and corrupt dominion.



76. - The seed of a plant contains its life (Genesis 1:11; 29). As stated in the Book of Genesis, we now recognize that inside the humble seed is life itself. Within the seed is a tiny factory of amazing complexity. No scientist can build a synthetic seed and no seed is simple!



77. - A seed must die to produce new life (1 Corinthians 15:36-38). Jesus said, "unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain." (John 12:24). In this verse is remarkable confirmation of two of the fundamental concepts in biology: 1) Cells arise only from existing cells. 2) A grain must die to produce more grain. The fallen seed is surrounded by supporting cells from the old body. These supporting cells "give their lives" to provide nourishment to the inner kernel. Once planted, this inner kernel germinates resulting in much grain.



78. - The order of creation agrees with true science (Genesis 1). Plants require sunlight, water, and minerals in order to survive. In the first chapter of Genesis we read that God created light first (v.3), then water (v. 6), then soil (v. 9), and then He created plant life (v. 11).



79. - God created "lights" in the heavens "for signs and seasons, and for days and years" (Genesis 1:14-16). We now know that a year is the time required for the earth to travel once around the sun. The seasons are caused by the changing position of the earth in relation to the sun. The moon's phases follow one another in clock-like precision - constituting the lunar calendar Evolution teaches that the cosmos evolved by random chance, yet the Bible agrees with the observable evidence.



80. - The Bible speaks of "heaven and the highest heavens" (Deuteronomy 10:14). Long before the Hubble Space Telescope, Scripture spoke of the "heaven of heavens" and the "third heaven" (1 Kings 8:27; 2 Corinthians 12:2). We now know that the heavens consist of our immediate atmosphere and the vast reaches of outer space - as well as God's wonderful abode.



81. - Olive oil and wine useful on wounds (Luke 10:34). Jesus told of a Samaritan man, who when he came upon a wounded traveler, he bandaged him - pouring upon his wounds olive oil and wine. Today we know that wine contains ethyl alcohol and traces of methyl alcohol. Both are good disinfectants. Olive oil is also a good disinfectant, as well as a skin moisturizer, protector, and soothing lotion. This is common knowledge to us today. However, did you know that during the Middle Ages and right up till the early 20th century, millions died because they did not know to treat and protect open wounds?



82. - Man is "fearfully and wonderfully made" (Psalm 139:14). We are only beginning to probe the complexity of the DNA molecule, the eye, the brain, and all the intricate components of life. No human invention compares to the marvelous wonders of God's creation.



83. - Beauty understood (Genesis 1:31; 2:9; Job 40:10; Ecclesiastes 3:11; Matthew 6:28-30). Beauty surrounds us: radiant sunsets, majestic mountains, brightly colored flowers, glowing gems, soothing foliage, brilliantly adorned birds, etc. Beauty is a mystery to the evolutionist. However, Scripture reveals that God creates beautiful things for our benefit and His glory.



84. - Strong and weak nuclear force explained (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). Physicists do not understand what binds the atom's nucleus together. Yet, the Bible states that "all things consist" - or are held together by the Creator - Jesus Christ.



85. - Atomic fission anticipated (2 Peter 3:10-12). Scripture states that "the elements will melt with fervent heat" when the earth and the heavens are "dissolved" by fire. Today we understand that if the elements of the atom are loosed, there would be an enormous release of heat and energy (radiation).



86. - The Pleiades and Orion star clusters described (Job 38:31). The Pleiades star cluster is gravitationally bound, while the Orion star cluster is loose and disintegrating because the gravity of the cluster is not enough to bind the group together. 4,000 years ago God asked Job, "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion?" Yet, it is only recently that we realized that the Pleiades is gravitationally bound, but Orion's stars are flying apart.



87. - Safe drinking water (Leviticus 11:33-36). God forbade drinking from vessels or stagnant water that had been contaminated by coming into contact with a dead animal. It is only in the last 100 years that medical science has learned that contaminated water can cause typhoid and cholera.



88. - Pest control (Leviticus 25:1-24). Farmers are plagued today with insects. Yet God gave a sure-fire remedy to control pests centuries ago. Moses commanded Israel to set aside one year in seven when no crops were raised. Insects winter in the stalks of last year's harvest, hatch in the spring, and are perpetuated by laying eggs in the new crop. If the crop is denied one year in seven, the pests have nothing to subsist upon, and are thereby controlled.



89. - Soil conservation (Leviticus 23:22). Not only was the land to lay fallow every seventh year, but God also instructed farmers to leave the gleanings when reaping their fields, and not to reap the corners (sides) of their fields. This served several purposes: 1) Vital soil minerals would be maintained. 2) The hedge row would limit wind erosion. 3) The poor could eat the gleanings. Today, approximately four billion metric tons of soil are lost from U.S. crop lands each year. Much of this soil depletion could be avoided if God's commands were followed.



90. - Animal instincts understood (Job 39; Proverbs 30:24-28; Jeremiah 8:7). A newly hatched spider weaves an intricate web without being taught. A recently emerged butterfly somehow knows to navigate a 2,500-mile migration route without a guide. God explains that He has endowed each creature with specific knowledge. Scripture, not evolution, explains animal instincts.



91. - Animals do not have a conscience (Psalm 32:9). A parrot can be taught to swear and blaspheme, yet never feel conviction. Many animals steal, but they do not experience guilt. If man evolved from animals, where did our conscience come from? The Bible explains that man alone was created as a moral being in God's image.



92. - Pseudo-science anticipated (1 Timothy 6:20). The theory of evolution contradicts the observable evidence. The Bible warned us in advance that there would be those who would profess: "profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge (science)." True science agrees with the Creator's Word.



93. - Science confirms the Bible (Colossians 2:3). These insights place the Bible far above every manmade theory and all other so-called inspired books. In contrast, the Koran states that the sun sets in a muddy pond (Surah 18:86). The Hadith contains many myths. The Book of Mormon declares that Native Americans descended from Jews - which has been disproven by DNA research. The Eastern writings also contradict true science.



94. - Human conscience understood (Romans 2:14-15). The Bible reveals that God has impressed His moral law onto every human heart. Con means with and science means knowledge. We know it is wrong to murder, lie, steal, etc. Only the Bible explains that each human has a God-given knowledge of right and wrong.



95. - Love explained (Matthew 22:37-40; 1 John 4:7-12). Evolution cannot explain love. Yet, God's Word reveals that the very purpose of our existence is to know and love God and our fellow man. God is love, and we were created in His image to reflect His love.



96. - The real you is spirit (Numbers 16:22; Zechariah 12:1). Personality is non-physical. For example, after a heart transplant the recipient does not receive the donor's character. An amputee is not half the person he was before loosing his limbs. Our eternal nature is spirit, heart, soul, mind. The Bible tells us that "man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart" (1 Samuel 16:7).



97. - The cause of suffering revealed (Genesis 3; Isaiah 24:5-6). The earth is subject to misery, which appears at odds with our wonderfully designed universe. However, the Bible, not evolution, explains the origin of suffering. When mankind rebelled against God, the curse resulted - introducing affliction, pain and death into the world.



98. - Death explained (Romans 6:23). All eventually die. The Bible alone explains why we die - "The soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:20). Sin is transgression of God's Law. To see if you will die, please review God's Ten Commandments (Exodus 20). Have you ever lied? (White lies and fibs count.) Ever stolen? (Cheating on a test or taxes is stealing.) Jesus said that "whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). Have you ever looked with lust? Then you're an adulterer at heart. Have you ever hated someone or called someone a fool? If so, the Bible says you are guilty of murder (Matthew 5:21-22; 1 John 3:15). Have you ever used your Creator's name (Lord, God, Jesus, or Christ) in vain? This is called blasphemy - and God hates it. If you have broken these commandments at any time, then by your own admission, you are a blasphemer, a murderer, an adulterer, a thief, and a liar at heart. And we have only looked at five of the Ten Commandments. This is why we die.



99. - Justice understood (Acts 17:30-31). Our God-given conscience reveals that all sin will be judged. Down deep we know that He who created the eyes sees every secret sin (Romans 2:16). He who formed our mind remembers our past offense as if it just occurred. God has declared that the penalty for sin is death. Physical death comes first, then the second death - which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). God cannot lie. Every sin will be judged. His justice demands it. But God is also rich in mercy to all who call upon His name. He has made a way for justice to be served and mercy to be shown.



100. - Eternal life revealed (John 3:16). Scientists search in vain for the cure for aging and death. Yet, the good news is that God, who is the source of all life, has made a way to freely forgive us so that we may live forever with Him in heaven. "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). God desires a loving, eternal relationship with each person - free from sin, fear, and pain. Therefore, He sent His Son to die as our substitute on the cross. "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23). Jesus never sinned, therefore He alone qualified to pay the penalty for our sins on the cross. He died in our place. He then rose from the grave defeating death. All who turn from their sins and trust Him will be saved. To repent and place your trust in Jesus Christ, make Psalm 51 your prayer. Then read your Bible daily, obeying what you read. God will never let you down.



101. - The solution to suffering (Revelation 21). Neither evolution nor religion offers a solution to suffering. But God offers heaven as a gift to all who trust in His Son. In heaven, "God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away" (Revelation 21:4).

[branjo]

I suspect 101 flames with the words "bullshit" in them somewhere.

Welcome to the forum btw, great start...lol.

[marpat]

666 the father of all eyes 30 seconds into the vid

6 times 6 = 36
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+... keep going till 36 = 666
36 is important to the ocult
6'+ 6' + 6' = 18'
60'+60+60 = 180 = straight line
put these 60' angles in the line and you get the triangle
father of all eyes ?
the 3 outside angles of 120' add up to 360'
36 = 666 father of all eyes ?
if God made made in his own image :confused:

Instead of guessing why dont you actually research the number in relation to actual gematria and kabbalah

[marpat]

No mate they don't hate and despise Yahweh. They just hate and despise the false god of modern Christianity(Satan). Oh yes, Christianity does not worship Yahweh they just give Him lip service and follow the teachings of Mystery Babylon while stating they are more saved than the other denominations while they are just part of the same lie just the depths of this lie changes between the churches and denominations.

How many people on here believe that Yeshua is Yahweh even though Yeshua states that he is not and the Tenakh does not verify this theory.

How many believe in the pagan trinity and the Spirit of Yahweh being an actual entity other than the biblical teaching of the power of Yahweh.

How many believe in the virgin birth even though again this can be debunked in the "Old Testament".

How many people believe that the Sabbath has been done away with or changed to the first day(the pagan sabbath) of the week instead of the seventh. Even though this is an everlasting covernant between man and Yahweh.

How many believe that when Yeshua died he died to save us from the Torah and we do not have to follow it anymore. Even though this is contradictary to both the words of Moses and Yeshua.

Christianity will never help the world while it is in the same rut as the world. You cannot blame people for their reactions when the words that christianity teaches is not the words of Yahweh or of His Messiah Yeshua.:(


I dont know why people think christ came to liberate them from the torah. When he heals on person he tells the man to go to the temple to tell the priests what happened and to offer according to the laws of moses. It is known that the only scriptures the earliest christians had was the first five books of moses.

The koran also states that jesus did not die on the cross but somebody who looked like him

[yhwhschild]

I dont know why people think christ came to liberate them from the torah. When he heals on person he tells the man to go to the temple to tell the priests what happened and to offer according to the laws of moses. It is known that the only scriptures the earliest christians had was the first five books of moses.

The koran also states that jesus did not die on the cross but somebody who looked like him

Shalom Marpat,

Yeshua new that after his death and resurection that Satan would come along and twist the Truth. Satan did this as prophecied by Cephas(Peter) by twisting the words of Paul. Most "Christians" as I once did just concentraite on the writings of Paul and very little else and for some one who is not skilled in Torah law as he was becomes a stumbling block to them.

Most Christians believe that Paul teaches that we are not under law but under grace. Little do they realise that Paul is stating that before Yeshua all were judged immediately because of their sin. But after Yeshua's death and resurection this curse was lifted by grace and now we will be judged by Yeshua at the end. He also states that do we then because of grace break the law, no we uphold the law because the breaking of the law is sin.

Christianity seems to gloss over these facts and leads many down the path of lawlessness.

I don't know about the Quoran and its teachings but I know there is more than one Yeshua mentioned in the Talmud and most people tend to get them mixed up. The Prophets do state that the promised Messiah had to die.

[kodiak]

You have missed my whole point entirely which is not suprising as you side stepped the issues addressed entirely. There is no difference between Roman Catholicism and the rest of Christianity, all Christianity(Modern) is, is a wartered down version of its harlot mother.
Firstly I never denied that the Torah and the Tenakh are Messianic in content and niether do I deny Yeshua being the promised Messiah. What I do deny is the Pagan/Christian teachings concerning him.
You need to do some research as the Jews never ever assumed or had any inclination that Yahweh Himself was going to be born and die for us. If you have any inclination to who Yahweh is and what His Torah teaches then this is impossible as He Himself states that the Universe in all its splender cannot contain Him never mind a human body. This is also found in the early writings of the Messianic sects as they did not believe that Yeshua was Yahweh either and despite all the twistings and tampering of the New Testament writings Yeshua never stated this either. If you understand the true meaning of the Messiah and Yahweh's promise then you would understand the meaning of the word Immanuel as it means Yahweh's representative not Him Himself. Get the idea that the universe does not contain Yahweh but that Yahweh contains the universe so a human form or an angelic form cannot contain Him. BTW Yahweh cannot die. Neither can He leave Himself as He did to Yeshua on the cross. Neither can He be ressurected(cause He cant die). Nor is He schizophrenic where He feels the need to pray to Himself. There are many, many more instances such as these that show that the Trinity doctrine is a false teaching of Satan. I and the Father are one as well does that make me Yahweh as well. Again if you new scriptual teaching and Jewish concept you would understand that He is talking about being of one accord. Every thing that Yeshua did or said was not His words or deeds but his life was totally devoted to serving Yahweh and fullfilling the task set before him. As Yeshua stated in the garden "Not my will but thine be done". Read the prophecies in the Tenakh concerning Yeshua. It states that he will be born of both a man and a young woman of marriagable age (not a virgin) who is of the Tribe of Judah and he will become the promised Messiah and rule as King and High Priest (to Yahweh) of all the nations of the earth. He will be Yahweh's representative on the earth Not Yahweh. Also the scriptures state that after the 1000 year reign of the Messiah Yeshua will hand over his rule back to Yahweh. Mmmm doesn't make much sense if He is already Yahweh.

So your saying that Yahweh is a covernant breaker as well then that He has broken His everlasting covernant with man in doing away with the Sabbath.
Which part of this scripture do you not understand;

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets.1 I did not come to destroy but to complete. Footnote: 1The Law and the Prophets is a term used for the pre-Messianic Scriptures.
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.1 Footnote: 1Lk. 16:17.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.
Mat 5:20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees,1 you shall by no means enter into the reign of the heavens. Footnote: 1Mt. 15:3-9, Mk. 7:7-13, John 7:19, Acts 7:53, Rom. 2:23-27, Gal. 6:13.

Are you stating that we now live in a new heaven and earth and this is why we do not have to keep the law/Torah. Yes the sacrifices have ceased as they do not need to be continued because Yeshua fullfilled these through his death and ressurection that is undenyable but to say the Torah has been done away with makes both Yahweh and Yeshua liars.

Jer 31:31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a new covenant with the house of Yisraʼĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah1, Footnote: 1See Heb. 8:8-12, Heb. 10:16-17.
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה.
Jer 31:33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisraʼĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,ʼ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”

This as you can see is the New Covernant that Yahweh has made with the houses of Israel and Judah (what no Christians mentioned, oh dear). If you know your Tenakh (Torah and Prophets) you will understand that Yahweh had great difficulty getting the the Children of Israel to understand and carry the Torah in their hearts as well as their minds. This can only be done through the annointing of Yahweh's Spirit and this before the sacrifice of Yeshua was limited to Kings, High Priests and Prophets. After the death of Yeshua and when the price was paid through his blood all living flesh that called on the name of Yahweh and eccepted Yeshua's sacrifice on their behalf would be filled with Yahweh's Spirit and the Torah would be written on their hearts as well as their minds. From then on Yahweh would conect and teach His children directly instead of going through a High Priest as the price was now paid in full.

There are many many more instances in the Tenakh that show just how erronious the teachings of modern christianity is. Which much to my horror Yahweh has shown me over the years. You know when your on the right track because you appear on Satans radar and life gets very interesting to say the least as he certainly doesn't want you to know the Truth.

www.eliyah.com - is a great site to show you scripture by scripture the lies and untruths in the doctrines of modern Christianity.
But like I have told many before and what happened to me before following this path. Get down knees and ask Yahweh to show you His Truth then be prepared to have your life turned upside down just like He did to mine.

Only getting round to replying now - I have tax returns to sort out this week. And I'll try not to reciprocate the insulting tone you've directed at me.

You wrote: "the Jews never ever assumed or had any inclination that Yahweh Himself was going to be born and die for us." This is simply at odds with plain Old Testament Scripture, i.e.:

Example 1: Isaiah 9:6 - "Unto us a son is born, and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, the Mighty God", etc.

Example 2: Micah 5:2 - "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

Example 3: Job 19:25 - "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth".

Example 4: Isaiah 53 - The entire chapter is given over to an accurate description of Christ's subsequent suffering for His people.

And the New Testament, John 1:1-14 describes The Word as being equal with God as co-creator, etc., and yet distinct in Person. The term "One God" the Jews harp on about is as telling in the debate as the term "one flesh" is in describing a man and his wife, i.e., it most emphatically does NOT exclude plurality of personage. Hence the old Hebrew terms "Elohim" and "Adonai", both of which bespeak plurality in distinction from singularity.

God is very jealous of His glory and therefore cannot be expected to allow a mere man to take any in the salvation of redeemed humanity. It had to be - and was - God Himself, that is, the Son - Psalm 2:12 ("Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him").

Then you attribute intent / a position to me that I never once hinted at or suggested, viz, that the Old Testament Scriptures are no longer valid. All I've ever said was that the OT outward form of religion (Levites, ritual cleansings, the Hebrew Sabbath, etc) is obsolete, having found fulfilment in Christ. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Collossians 2:16-17). "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24).

The believer in Christ therefore relies exclusively upon Christ's perfectly sinless fulfilment of the Law for acceptance with God, rather than insulting God with the dirty rags of our own attempts at law fulfilment as a means of acceptance (justification). Thus the believer enjoys Christ's imputed righteousness. The entirety of Romans 4 argues this very clearly. But we nonetheless further use the law as the rule of our everyday living, i.e., desist from adultery, we honour our parents, etc., but on the understanding that (a) we can never do so perfectly and consistently as Christ did, (b) that despairing of our inability to do so we look to and rest in Christ's perfect ability to so do, and (c) our imperfect but sincere attempts are pleasing to God if they arise out of a heart of Love for Him.

[yhwhschild]

Only getting round to replying now - I have tax returns to sort out this week. And I'll try not to reciprocate the insulting tone you've directed at me.

You wrote: "the Jews never ever assumed or had any inclination that Yahweh Himself was going to be born and die for us." This is simply at odds with plain Old Testament Scripture, i.e.:

Example 1: Isaiah 9:6 - "Unto us a son is born, and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, the Mighty God", etc.

Example 2: Micah 5:2 - "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

Example 3: Job 19:25 - "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth".

Example 4: Isaiah 53 - The entire chapter is given over to an accurate description of Christ's subsequent suffering for His people.

And the New Testament, John 1:1-14 describes The Word as being equal with God as co-creator, etc., and yet distinct in Person. The term "One God" the Jews harp on about is as telling in the debate as the term "one flesh" is in describing a man and his wife, i.e., it most emphatically does NOT exclude plurality of personage. Hence the old Hebrew terms "Elohim" and "Adonai", both of which bespeak plurality in distinction from singularity.

God is very jealous of His glory and therefore cannot be expected to allow a mere man to take any in the salvation of redeemed humanity. It had to be - and was - God Himself, that is, the Son - Psalm 2:12 ("Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him").

Then you attribute intent / a position to me that I never once hinted at or suggested, viz, that the Old Testament Scriptures are no longer valid. All I've ever said was that the OT outward form of religion (Levites, ritual cleansings, the Hebrew Sabbath, etc) is obsolete, having found fulfilment in Christ. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Collossians 2:16-17). "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24).

The believer in Christ therefore relies exclusively upon Christ's perfectly sinless fulfilment of the Law for acceptance with God, rather than insulting God with the dirty rags of our own attempts at law fulfilment as a means of acceptance (justification). Thus the believer enjoys Christ's imputed righteousness. The entirety of Romans 4 argues this very clearly. But we nonetheless further use the law as the rule of our everyday living, i.e., desist from adultery, we honour our parents, etc., but on the understanding that (a) we can never do so perfectly and consistently as Christ did, (b) that despairing of our inability to do so we look to and rest in Christ's perfect ability to so do, and (c) our imperfect but sincere attempts are pleasing to God if they arise out of a heart of Love for Him.


Hi I am not going to answer all the false doctrinal crap that you have produced in your post. I fully understand where you are coming from as I held on to the satanic beliefs for so long as I was brain washed with these also. I have over the years done many studies and had people like John Cordero who as I did posted on eliyah's forum show me step by step why I was holding on to a false pagan doctrine. Believe me I used to fight him with all the scriptures and arguements that you have used and more but I had to admit that what we are taught and led to believe is totally opposite to what the Scriptures actually say. One thing I have learnt that there are no contradictions in the Scriptures until you try to apply the false doctrines and teachings of nmodern Christianity.

I found that one of the best sites that I have found that will take you step by step through all your arguements that you have put up plus many more that christianity uses to promote the Lawless and pagan doctrines of the Mystery Babylonian religion that was set up by Satan. The writer of this site has covered every aspect of this false teaching from the totally false translation of Issiah 9 to the equally satanic teachings of Lawlessness.

http://www.torahofmessiah.com/trinity_art.html

This site is probably one of the best and most thorough works on this subject and I recomend you to go through it. Please forget all that you think you know about the "New Testament" and learn the Torah first as everyone that is of Israel is commanded to by Yahweh then you will see that the teachings that you have learnt cannot be true as they make Yahweh and His word a lie. But that is up to you whether you really want seek the truth or not.

I will leave you with one thought though in relation to this passage of Scripture and the explaination of it from eliyah.com which I recommend as well. Especially on the epistles of Paul on the Torah/Law.

Yahushua: Violation of the Law will abound

Let's examine something that Yahushua predicted would come:

Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Yahushua is speaking here that during the latter days false prophets will arise. Apparently this will cause 'iniquity' to abound. It is interesting to do a word study on this word 'iniquity' that is translated from the Greek language into our own. It comes from the Greek word "anomia". We will find in the Thayer's Greek lexicon a proper definition for this word:

BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459; TDNT - 4:1085,646; n f AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4060 1, transgression of the law 1; 15 1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it 1b) because of violating it 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Please remember that this is the Greek word "Anomia". The first definition is the literal one. It means "the condition of without law".

The Strong's Lexicon defines this word with "illegality (i.e. violation of the law)"

So we can see that as a result of the False Prophets, a 'condition of without law' and 'illegality/violation of the law' will abound. Because of this, the love of many shall wax/grow cold! This is because Yahweh's law teaches us how to love Yahweh and how to love one another .Now this is further proven in an earlier teaching that Yahushua shared:

Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Yahushua is informing us that the way to life is not a popular way. It is not a road often traveled on. In fact, He said that it is a 'narrow' way and FEW there be that find it! Therefore today I call on all mankind, 33% of which profess to be christians..to TAKE HEED! If we are on a path that MANY others are on, we surely cannot be on a path that few find!

Continuing..

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Because of the wolves, we must remember that the narrow path calls for discernment!

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Note that both bring forth fruit, but one is evil, the other good

Matthew 7:18 - A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 - Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So we will know them by their fruits! Now Yahushua I believe is expounding on this. What is meant by good fruit? Will they have many miracles and signs and wonders to prove that what they are teaching is true? Will this prove that their fruit is indeed good, and not evil?

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Rabbi, Rabbi, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 - Many will say to me in that day, Rabbi, Rabbi, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Some in sheep's clothing must be calling Him Rabbi, Rabbi (Master, Master).

Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is that word again, "iniquity". So here we have a group of people who profess to preach Yahushua. They even thought that they cast out demons, healed, prophesied and done many other wonderful works. Sadly, they were apparently false teachers and deceived by the 'strong delusion'! What was Yahushua saying about them? "Depart from me, ye that work iniquity!" What was their TRUE work? In the Greek it is that word again, 'Anomia' which is 'illegality/violation of the law' or without law (But translated 'iniquity')! Look it up, you will see. We can know them by their fruits!

Today and in generations past we have been taught that we are 'under grace' and need not keep that ol' law anymore. But Yahushua says otherwise. He says that those who are without the law have no salvation. Now let's look at more instances of this word "Anomia" but first, let's examine the first part of its definition once more, for this will further prove what I am saying

"BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459..."

Notice that this "Anomia" (#458) is derived from another word. It is word number #459.

What is its definition?

BDB/Thayers # 459 anomos {an'-om-os} from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj AV - without law 4, transgressor 2, wicked 2, lawless 1, unlawful 1; 10 1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law 1a) of the Gentiles 2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked.

Now here we are given a more thorough definition. It's meaning is to be 'destitute of (the Mosaic) law'. So for those who might say we have a 'new law now' and this is speaking of a new testament law, not the old '(Mosaic) law' it becomes obvious that this statement has nothing to stand on.

In fact, you may notice that THIS word "Anomos" comes from the Greek word "nomos (#3551)" which is translated "Law" nearly 200 times in the New Testament, almost without exception speaking of Yahweh's law in the "old testament"!

So could we not surmise from these definitions what even the King James translators used in the following verse when coming across the word "Anomia"?...

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

The phrase "transgression of the law" is from #458 "Anomia"! Again, this verse deals with 'Who Yahweh's people truly are' just as Yahushua had revealed:

1John 3:5 - And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 - Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Yahushua came to take away our sins, not the entire law! So whoever abides in Yahushua will not sin. Therefore they will not 'transgress the law' for sin is transgression of the (mosaic) law. So indeed Yahushua spoke the truth when He said that 'transgression of the law' or #458 "Anomia" would abound in the last days.

Now lets examine more scriptures. This time we will look at the word "Anomos" which literally means "destitute of (the Mosaic) law".

Mark 15:27 - And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. 28 - And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

This word "Transgressors" is indeed "anomos" which means those who are "destitute of (the Mosaic) law". Interestingly, it is quoting an verse in the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 53:12 - Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The Hebrew word "pasha" used in this verse is translated "transgressors". This is the same Hebrew word translated "Transgressors" here in the following verse:

Psalms 37:38 - But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

And "Transgressed" here:

Isaiah 66:22 - For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YAHWEH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH. 24 - And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. .

"the men that have transgressed against me"

So, again we see that those who violate the law of Yahweh will be destroyed just as Yahushua predicted and "their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." This is purely consistent with Yahushua's teaching that He will reject them on the final day.

This is a serious thing to ponder my dear friend! We surely do not want to be in that group of people!!

Yet, who will hear this message? Who has ears to hear? As we will see, it is certainly not those who do not love the truth! This is all part of Satan's plan. To deceive men by the 'false prophets' into thinking we are have no need of His Torah/law today! Let's examine a new testament passage:

2Thessalonians 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Master Yahushua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Messiah is at hand. 3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called elohim, or that is worshipped; so that he as elohim sitteth in the temple of elohim, shewing himself that he is elohim. 5 - Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Here is the prediction of a falling away...but falling away from what?

2Thessalonians 2:6 - And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

It is a 'mystery', is it not? And it was already at work. What Greek word is used here that is translated "iniquity" in the phrase "Mystery of iniquity"? You guessed it, "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law"!

What will happen with these people?

2Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The 'Wicked' will be revealed. But now it is revealed to you that the translators hide this word "Anomia" behind many others. Let's continue in 2Thess...

2Thessalonians 2:9 - Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He will deceive others through his servants, the false prophets who claim the MIRACLES as evidence of their teaching being the truth but teach others that there is NO LAW!

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

They did not receive a love of the truth. What a sad, sorry condition :((( How important is it to love the truth?? Read that verse!! You must love the truth to be saved, for it obviously leads to eternal damnation: "whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

"Their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

"Depart from me!!"

We need to be sure that we never enter that condition! I don't want to be there, ever!! They did not receive a love for the truth, what did Yahushua say was truth?

John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Remember, when Yahushua spoke this, the "New Testament" didn't even exist! Yahweh's word, IS TRUTH! No matter what date it is written! It doesn't matter how far you go back. If Yahweh says something, it doesn't change. He doesn't make a mistake, His word endures forever!

Psal 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Continuing in 2 Thessalonians..

2Thessalonians 2:11 - And for this cause YAHWEH shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 - That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Unrighteousness is sin and sin is transgression of Yahweh's law.

Could it be that these miracles we see today that Christianity is claiming as evidence for their doctrines be a part of the "Strong Delusion" sent from Yahweh?? If the delusion is from Yahweh Himself, SURELY they will be deceived.

Will we walk worthy of our calling? Will we receive this 'Strong Delusion'? We first must be sure that we do not fall into the trap of thinking His law is "taken away" and that we need not walk in it today. From that point we must be sure that we obey the truth and light given to us. For Yahweh will give His Spirit to those who obey the light given:

Acts 5:32 - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom Elohim hath given to them that obey him.

Have we had not a new conviction in a while? Have we put down our armor for a time? Are we getting caught up in the ways of this world instead of the ways of Yahweh? If so...then I believe this is a sure sign that we need to REPENT of something! And we still have hope!

Titus 2:11 - For the grace of YAHWEH that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 - Teaching us that, denying wickedness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and reverently, in the present age; 13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great Elohim and our Savior Yahushua the Messiah; 14 - Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

There is that word again!! He has come to redeem us from all "INIQUITY", "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law" as the Strong's lexicon has it.

Today, many are so concerned that we are "legalists". Based on what we have read thus far, should we not be concerned more with being an "Illegalist" than a "Legalist"?? Legalism is not obedience to Yahweh's word. Legalism is the doctrine of "Adding to Yahweh's word" something that was never intended!

This is what the Scribes/Pharisees had done, and indeed mainstream Christianity also with its Christmas, Easter, Sunday Sabbath, etc etc etc.! This is all idolatry and there are so many things we have inherited that are filled with paganism and idolatrous worship. The roots of our faith need to be in the scriptures, not in idolatry!! Surely, we have inherited many lies from our fathers!

Just as in Jeremiah's day:

Jeremiah 16:19 - O YAHWEH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. 20 - Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim? 21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

Indeed when we learn the ways of Yahweh outlined in His word, His law...which is truth, then surely we know that His name is Yahweh and surely we know what His name is meant to represent. Among other things, His truth and His love which is in His law and the coming kingdom which will be ruled by it!

We should all learn this way of righteousness which He has given...that we might be worthy to stand before the son of man who will not say to us "Depart from me, ye "illegalists/violators of the law"' but instead..

Matthew 25:23 - His master said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy master.

Yahweh has said, and His word endures forever..

Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

HalleluYah, I pray that you will inherit this joy of eternal life that awaits His servants! Forsaking the traditions and lies handed down to us and walking in the law of Yahweh.

See just covering a small portion of it covers alot of scripture and alot of words :-)

[olas]

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Hi I am not going to answer all the false doctrinal crap that you have produced in your post. I fully understand where you are coming from as I held on to the satanic beliefs for so long as I was brain washed with these also. I have over the years done many studies and had people like John Cordero who as I did posted on eliyah's forum show me step by step why I was holding on to a false pagan doctrine. Believe me I used to fight him with all the scriptures and arguements that you have used and more but I had to admit that what we are taught and led to believe is totally opposite to what the Scriptures actually say. One thing I have learnt that there are no contradictions in the Scriptures until you try to apply the false doctrines and teachings of nmodern Christianity.

I found that one of the best sites that I have found that will take you step by step through all your arguements that you have put up plus many more that christianity uses to promote the Lawless and pagan doctrines of the Mystery Babylonian religion that was set up by Satan. The writer of this site has covered every aspect of this false teaching from the totally false translation of Issiah 9 to the equally satanic teachings of Lawlessness.

http://www.torahofmessiah.com/trinity_art.html

This site is probably one of the best and most thorough works on this subject and I recomend you to go through it. Please forget all that you think you know about the "New Testament" and learn the Torah first as everyone that is of Israel is commanded to by Yahweh then you will see that the teachings that you have learnt cannot be true as they make Yahweh and His word a lie. But that is up to you whether you really want seek the truth or not.

I will leave you with one thought though in relation to this passage of Scripture and the explaination of it from eliyah.com which I recommend as well. Especially on the epistles of Paul on the Torah/Law.

Yahushua: Violation of the Law will abound

Let's examine something that Yahushua predicted would come:

Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Yahushua is speaking here that during the latter days false prophets will arise. Apparently this will cause 'iniquity' to abound. It is interesting to do a word study on this word 'iniquity' that is translated from the Greek language into our own. It comes from the Greek word "anomia". We will find in the Thayer's Greek lexicon a proper definition for this word:

BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459; TDNT - 4:1085,646; n f AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4060 1, transgression of the law 1; 15 1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it 1b) because of violating it 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Please remember that this is the Greek word "Anomia". The first definition is the literal one. It means "the condition of without law".

The Strong's Lexicon defines this word with "illegality (i.e. violation of the law)"

So we can see that as a result of the False Prophets, a 'condition of without law' and 'illegality/violation of the law' will abound. Because of this, the love of many shall wax/grow cold! This is because Yahweh's law teaches us how to love Yahweh and how to love one another .Now this is further proven in an earlier teaching that Yahushua shared:

Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Yahushua is informing us that the way to life is not a popular way. It is not a road often traveled on. In fact, He said that it is a 'narrow' way and FEW there be that find it! Therefore today I call on all mankind, 33% of which profess to be christians..to TAKE HEED! If we are on a path that MANY others are on, we surely cannot be on a path that few find!

Continuing..

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Because of the wolves, we must remember that the narrow path calls for discernment!

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Note that both bring forth fruit, but one is evil, the other good

Matthew 7:18 - A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 - Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So we will know them by their fruits! Now Yahushua I believe is expounding on this. What is meant by good fruit? Will they have many miracles and signs and wonders to prove that what they are teaching is true? Will this prove that their fruit is indeed good, and not evil?

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Rabbi, Rabbi, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 - Many will say to me in that day, Rabbi, Rabbi, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Some in sheep's clothing must be calling Him Rabbi, Rabbi (Master, Master).

Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is that word again, "iniquity". So here we have a group of people who profess to preach Yahushua. They even thought that they cast out demons, healed, prophesied and done many other wonderful works. Sadly, they were apparently false teachers and deceived by the 'strong delusion'! What was Yahushua saying about them? "Depart from me, ye that work iniquity!" What was their TRUE work? In the Greek it is that word again, 'Anomia' which is 'illegality/violation of the law' or without law (But translated 'iniquity')! Look it up, you will see. We can know them by their fruits!

Today and in generations past we have been taught that we are 'under grace' and need not keep that ol' law anymore. But Yahushua says otherwise. He says that those who are without the law have no salvation. Now let's look at more instances of this word "Anomia" but first, let's examine the first part of its definition once more, for this will further prove what I am saying

"BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459..."

Notice that this "Anomia" (#458) is derived from another word. It is word number #459.

What is its definition?

BDB/Thayers # 459 anomos {an'-om-os} from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj AV - without law 4, transgressor 2, wicked 2, lawless 1, unlawful 1; 10 1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law 1a) of the Gentiles 2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked.

Now here we are given a more thorough definition. It's meaning is to be 'destitute of (the Mosaic) law'. So for those who might say we have a 'new law now' and this is speaking of a new testament law, not the old '(Mosaic) law' it becomes obvious that this statement has nothing to stand on.

In fact, you may notice that THIS word "Anomos" comes from the Greek word "nomos (#3551)" which is translated "Law" nearly 200 times in the New Testament, almost without exception speaking of Yahweh's law in the "old testament"!

So could we not surmise from these definitions what even the King James translators used in the following verse when coming across the word "Anomia"?...

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

The phrase "transgression of the law" is from #458 "Anomia"! Again, this verse deals with 'Who Yahweh's people truly are' just as Yahushua had revealed:

1John 3:5 - And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 - Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Yahushua came to take away our sins, not the entire law! So whoever abides in Yahushua will not sin. Therefore they will not 'transgress the law' for sin is transgression of the (mosaic) law. So indeed Yahushua spoke the truth when He said that 'transgression of the law' or #458 "Anomia" would abound in the last days.

Now lets examine more scriptures. This time we will look at the word "Anomos" which literally means "destitute of (the Mosaic) law".

Mark 15:27 - And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. 28 - And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

This word "Transgressors" is indeed "anomos" which means those who are "destitute of (the Mosaic) law". Interestingly, it is quoting an verse in the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 53:12 - Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The Hebrew word "pasha" used in this verse is translated "transgressors". This is the same Hebrew word translated "Transgressors" here in the following verse:

Psalms 37:38 - But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

And "Transgressed" here:

Isaiah 66:22 - For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YAHWEH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH. 24 - And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. .

"the men that have transgressed against me"

So, again we see that those who violate the law of Yahweh will be destroyed just as Yahushua predicted and "their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." This is purely consistent with Yahushua's teaching that He will reject them on the final day.

This is a serious thing to ponder my dear friend! We surely do not want to be in that group of people!!

Yet, who will hear this message? Who has ears to hear? As we will see, it is certainly not those who do not love the truth! This is all part of Satan's plan. To deceive men by the 'false prophets' into thinking we are have no need of His Torah/law today! Let's examine a new testament passage:

2Thessalonians 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Master Yahushua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Messiah is at hand. 3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called elohim, or that is worshipped; so that he as elohim sitteth in the temple of elohim, shewing himself that he is elohim. 5 - Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Here is the prediction of a falling away...but falling away from what?

2Thessalonians 2:6 - And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

It is a 'mystery', is it not? And it was already at work. What Greek word is used here that is translated "iniquity" in the phrase "Mystery of iniquity"? You guessed it, "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law"!

What will happen with these people?

2Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The 'Wicked' will be revealed. But now it is revealed to you that the translators hide this word "Anomia" behind many others. Let's continue in 2Thess...

2Thessalonians 2:9 - Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He will deceive others through his servants, the false prophets who claim the MIRACLES as evidence of their teaching being the truth but teach others that there is NO LAW!

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

They did not receive a love of the truth. What a sad, sorry condition :((( How important is it to love the truth?? Read that verse!! You must love the truth to be saved, for it obviously leads to eternal damnation: "whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

"Their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

"Depart from me!!"

We need to be sure that we never enter that condition! I don't want to be there, ever!! They did not receive a love for the truth, what did Yahushua say was truth?

John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Remember, when Yahushua spoke this, the "New Testament" didn't even exist! Yahweh's word, IS TRUTH! No matter what date it is written! It doesn't matter how far you go back. If Yahweh says something, it doesn't change. He doesn't make a mistake, His word endures forever!

Psal 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Continuing in 2 Thessalonians..

2Thessalonians 2:11 - And for this cause YAHWEH shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 - That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Unrighteousness is sin and sin is transgression of Yahweh's law.

Could it be that these miracles we see today that Christianity is claiming as evidence for their doctrines be a part of the "Strong Delusion" sent from Yahweh?? If the delusion is from Yahweh Himself, SURELY they will be deceived.

Will we walk worthy of our calling? Will we receive this 'Strong Delusion'? We first must be sure that we do not fall into the trap of thinking His law is "taken away" and that we need not walk in it today. From that point we must be sure that we obey the truth and light given to us. For Yahweh will give His Spirit to those who obey the light given:

Acts 5:32 - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom Elohim hath given to them that obey him.

Have we had not a new conviction in a while? Have we put down our armor for a time? Are we getting caught up in the ways of this world instead of the ways of Yahweh? If so...then I believe this is a sure sign that we need to REPENT of something! And we still have hope!

Titus 2:11 - For the grace of YAHWEH that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 - Teaching us that, denying wickedness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and reverently, in the present age; 13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great Elohim and our Savior Yahushua the Messiah; 14 - Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

There is that word again!! He has come to redeem us from all "INIQUITY", "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law" as the Strong's lexicon has it.

Today, many are so concerned that we are "legalists". Based on what we have read thus far, should we not be concerned more with being an "Illegalist" than a "Legalist"?? Legalism is not obedience to Yahweh's word. Legalism is the doctrine of "Adding to Yahweh's word" something that was never intended!

This is what the Scribes/Pharisees had done, and indeed mainstream Christianity also with its Christmas, Easter, Sunday Sabbath, etc etc etc.! This is all idolatry and there are so many things we have inherited that are filled with paganism and idolatrous worship. The roots of our faith need to be in the scriptures, not in idolatry!! Surely, we have inherited many lies from our fathers!

Just as in Jeremiah's day:

Jeremiah 16:19 - O YAHWEH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. 20 - Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim? 21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

Indeed when we learn the ways of Yahweh outlined in His word, His law...which is truth, then surely we know that His name is Yahweh and surely we know what His name is meant to represent. Among other things, His truth and His love which is in His law and the coming kingdom which will be ruled by it!

We should all learn this way of righteousness which He has given...that we might be worthy to stand before the son of man who will not say to us "Depart from me, ye "illegalists/violators of the law"' but instead..

Matthew 25:23 - His master said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy master.

Yahweh has said, and His word endures forever..

Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

HalleluYah, I pray that you will inherit this joy of eternal life that awaits His servants! Forsaking the traditions and lies handed down to us and walking in the law of Yahweh.

See just covering a small portion of it covers alot of scripture and alot of words :-)

[yhwhschild]

Only getting round to replying now - I have tax returns to sort out this week. And I'll try not to reciprocate the insulting tone you've directed at me.


Shalom Kodiak,

I have read through my previous posts and I must admit that my post could be construde a some what insulting. For that I appologise as it was not directed at you but at the spirit of the pagan/babylonian doctrine that modern christianity is based on. I have over many years watched the usual doctrinal patter that comes out of the mouth of many modern christians and seen the way they do more damage to Yahweh's word with their zealous ignorance of the Torah and their constant need to batter someone over the head with hell. I however do not regard myself as being spiritually superior to anyone infact more often then not I feel like the lowest of the low because of my own sin and adiction in my life and no that my salvation only comes by the grace of Yahweh and not through my own righteousness. I just pray that you and other christians on this site take time to research the websites that I have posted and rely on Yahweh to show you the truth.

May Yahweh bless you and guide you into HIS Truth
Chris