Mormon Door Stepping

[amaralsright]

This is pure genius.

This guy went to Salt Lake City and knocked on doors to talk to people about Atheism.

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They didn't like it.

[amaralsright]

Oh and next time a Mormon knocks on your door, ask them if God had a Father and Mother.

See what happens.

Ask them how Joseph Smith managed to translate "The Book of Abraham" from some ordinary Egyptian funeral scrolls stolen from an Egyptian tomb being hawked around the States in a road show back in 1835.

See what happens.

Ask them if you can be a God like God (Eliohim, God the Father) one day with your own planet and your own children (to save).

See what happens.

Ask them where the archaelogical evidence is for the great stones cities described in the Book of Mormon, Cities occupied by hundreds of thousands of people until they had a war and God turned the white Israeli people into redskins as a punishment.

See what happens.

My guess is they will try and spin that they are just like any other Church and believe more or less the same things.

But it will be spin.

Normal Christianity/Judaism/Islam is wacky enough but the Church of Latter Day Saints sends the "barking mad meter" off the scale.

[amaralsright]

This is a great video about the "Book of Abraham" problem.

The Lost Book of Abraham - YouTube

Millions of people continue to believe what Joseph Smith said when there is 100% evidence he was a fraud.

Smith is typical of all "Prophets".

It's also a great example of how millions of people can be deceived/deluded/plain wrong and demolishs the argument "God exists because so many believe it".

[manxboz]

Salt Lake city doesn't have half as many Mormons as places like Utah, i mean if anyone was knocking on your doorstep talking about crap many wouldn't like it.

[amaralsright]

Salt Lake city doesn't have half as many Mormons as places like Utah, i mean if anyone was knocking on your doorstep talking about crap many wouldn't like it.

Eh?

Salt Lake City is the capitol of Utah.

And the guy who hit him with a stick was a bishop.

Mormons are more mental than any other religion out there, they have no excuse.

Joseph Smith's frauds are well documented and right before their eyes.

Emma Smith - Joseph Smith's first wife was glad to get away in the end - poor woman.

[1776]

Oh and next time a Mormon knocks on your door, ask them if God had a Father and Mother.

See what happens.

Ask them how Joseph Smith managed to translate "The Book of Abraham" from some ordinary Egyptian funeral scrolls stolen from an Egyptian tomb being hawked around the States in a road show back in 1835.

See what happens.

Ask them if you can be a God like God (Eliohim, God the Father) one day with your own planet and your own children (to save).

See what happens.

Ask them where the archaelogical evidence is for the great stones cities described in the Book of Mormon, Cities occupied by hundreds of thousands of people until they had a war and God turned the white Israeli people into redskins as a punishment.

See what happens.

My guess is they will try and spin that they are just like any other Church and believe more or less the same things.

But it will be spin.

Normal Christianity/Judaism/Islam is wacky enough but the Church of Latter Day Saints sends the "barking mad meter" off the scale.

How about you ask the Mormon's how long they think it will take them to become worthy of becoming a God or Goddess them self so they can procreate and spread their offspring across their own ruling planet in the solar system somewhere! :D

Mormonism is dangerous. Please don't buy their "Wholesome family values" bullshit. It's a magick cult!

The Antichrist Dajjal Series (FULL) - Cheers Hashem! Part 119 / 200 (exposing Mormonism)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The Antichrist Dajjal Series (FULL) - Cheers Hashem! Part 120 / 200 (exposing Mormonism)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The Antichrist Dajjal Series (FULL) - Cheers Hashem! Part 122 / 200 (exposing Mormonism)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

LOL :p

[1776]

Salt Lake city doesn't have half as many Mormons as places like Utah, i mean if anyone was knocking on your doorstep talking about crap many wouldn't like it.

Salt Lake City, UTAH is IN Utah! :p

Apparently you need a geography lesson and various others..... Salt Lake City is the Mormon CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

It's not just the intrusion of your personal life knocking on someones door... it's the hidden cult values they're trying to instill in other human beings that is dangerous!

See below:

The Antichrist Dajjal Series (FULL) - Cheers Hashem! Part 122 / 200 (exposing Mormonism)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[amaralsright]

Our God - the god who rules this world - has a wife. He lives near the planet Kolob. He was once a man. But because he was faithful to mormon teaching he was given earth to rule over.

He had lots of spiritual children. We are all his children.

His two favourite Children - Lucifer and Jesus - had an argument about who should be saviour of this planet.

Lucifer had a hissy fit when Jesus was chosen to be saviour (from what?) and took one third of gods spiritual children with him and they became demons.

Jesus had three wives - oh yes..

We can all be God (women need not apply) in the same way our God became god, with our own celestial wife and be in charge of our own planet and be responsible for saving it.

Black people couldn't be a God until 1978 when they were finally allowed into the temple that may have had something to do with race discrimination laws or a revelation from God.

God told Joseph Smith that he must take more wives.

Emma Smith - Joseph's first wife - didn't believe him. Joseph told her that he must do this or God will kill him.

Right....

The god-given command to "take more wives" is the big flashing sign that this guy is a faking arsehole (like Muhammed before him).

Joseph Smith in 1835, when no one could translate egyptian hyroglyphs, translated an ordinary egyptian funeral scroll as "the book of abraham" (written by Abrahams own hand - no less).

Egyptian scholars who eventually learned how to translate Egyptian have never stopped laughing.

Bonkers.

[measle_weasel]

Salt Lake City, UTAH is IN Utah! :p

Apparently you need a geography lesson and various others..... Salt Lake City is the Mormon CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

It's not just the intrusion of your personal life knocking on someones door... it's the hidden cult values they're trying to instill in other human beings that is dangerous!

See below:

The Antichrist Dajjal Series (FULL) - Cheers Hashem! Part 122 / 200 (exposing Mormonism)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK9Wky6FvjU

Whats with the 3 minute Disney commercial in that video? That was weird.

[flickflack]

This is pure genius.

This guy went to Salt Lake City and knocked on doors to talk to people about Atheism.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2006/11/Door-To-Door-Atheists-Bother-Mormons-185461.html

They didn't like it.

I think it is a bit silly to knock at people's doors to talk about Atheism. Atheism is not a Religion, and it is not a movement. Atheism is more a state of mind, a state in which you believe there is no God.

To offer someone Atheism is actually a little silly, seeing you have nothing to offer. Atheism is not even a lifestyle, just a state of mind. Atheists may think it is fun to be able to do whatever they want, but lets not forget the morals. The morals of philosophers like Immanuel Kant do matter-- also for Atheists. No-one is excluded from morals.

[amaralsright]

I think it is a bit silly to knock at people's doors to talk about Atheism. Atheism is not a Religion, and it is not a movement. Atheism is more a state of mind, a state in which you believe there is no God.

To offer someone Atheism is actually a little silly, seeing you have nothing to offer. Atheism is not even a lifestyle, just a state of mind. Atheists may think it is fun to be able to do whatever they want, but lets not forget the morals. The morals of philosophers like Immanuel Kant do matter-- also for Atheists. No-one is excluded from morals.

You've completely missed the point.

[flickflack]

You've completely missed the point.

That door-stepping could be irritating?

[amaralsright]

Here is a thread on an Ex-Mormon website that people discuss what shocked them most as they learned more about Mormonism.

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon505.htm

It's an excellent read.

The LDS is nothing but a cult using cult methods to intimidate it's members.

If you want to see how religion works read about the life of Joseph Smith, "Prophet" and founder of the Mormons.

It's the best documented religious scam out there and millions fell for it and are still falling for it.

The question is, if the ability to record events - such as they were in the 1800s - had been around in the days of early christianity or the time of Muhammad, would we have seen anything different.

We know the early church succesfully killed off the christian gnostics, it would have been interesting to hear the point of view of the ex-insiders and naysayers.

I suspect it would have been no different to what happened with Joseph Smith.

Anyway, I throughly recommend the book "No Man Knows my History" by Fawn M Brodie about the life of Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith is one of histories more colorful characters for sure.

[amaralsright]

That door-stepping could be irritating?

Yes, he wasn't really trying to sell them atheism.

[amaralsright]

Nobody gets into The Celestial Kingdom unless they know the secret password and the secret handshake.

Yes, Mormonism is like Masonism in many ways.

[evenus_cinatus]

Nobody gets into The Celestial Kingdom unless they know the secret password and the secret handshake.

Yes, Mormonism is like Masonism in many ways.

Like that Bill and Ted's Adventure second movie.
Hahaha. What was that poem song they recited to get through the gates?
Death following lamely tried to repeat the song, what a classic!
Who was it they were getting, Einstein?

[purple rain]

That guy in the video was irritating personality and accent wise. But he's got a point ofcourse. I'm surprised people would describe Iron Maiden as loud in this day and age.

[amaralsright]

Did I mention the magic secret Mormon underwear that they all have to wear (and hide the fact they are wearing it) to protect them from "the world".

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktomraPELw1qzfdu3.jpg

Yep.

Cult or what?

Women wear them UNDER their normal underwear, yes they put bras over this garment.

[amaralsright]

Then there is the chefs hat.

http://nowscape.com/mormon/sign-of-the-nail.jpg

They are not allowed to tell you about this either because it's "sacred" not secret.

Yes ladies and gents.. that is indeed an apron.

Women get them too.

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site297/2009/0310/20090310__Big%20Love%20Temple.jpg

[kadosh]

LDS Film Fest: Mormons, Masons, symbols and rodeos - Mormon Times Friday, Jan. 22, 2010. http://mormontimes.com/media/images/headerGraphics/1264132485.jpg
OREM, Utah -- "Walking through a mine field." - That was the best description author Matthew B. Brown could come up with as he explained the challenges of writing his 2009 book, "Exploring the Connection Between Mormons and Masons." - http://mormontimes.com/arts_entertainment/movies/?id=12898

[manxboz]

Eh?

Salt Lake City is the capitol of Utah.

And the guy who hit him with a stick was a bishop.

Mormons are more mental than any other religion out there, they have no excuse.

Joseph Smith's frauds are well documented and right before their eyes.

Emma Smith - Joseph Smith's first wife was glad to get away in the end - poor woman.

Sorry my mistake, i meant Provo not Utah, thats what i get for not proof reading. Emma Smith stayed within LDS just not the main sect but in what was the RLDS which is now the Community of Christ.

[manxboz]

Nobody gets into The Celestial Kingdom unless they know the secret password and the secret handshake.

Yes, Mormonism is like Masonism in many ways.

Look having inflitrated Mormonsim for the last 2 years, i know there is no handshake or password, thats bullshit from those wanting to cause trouble, there is however alot of masonic details in their temples, that much is true. To call them a cult is wrong, for Religion is a cult, all religion is a cult, read up on what a cult really is not the crap that today's corrupt man has called it. The best way to find out about a relgion is to go into it. You wouldn't ask a Ford dealer what the best Honda is would you?

[orlibonurb]

http://mormoncult.org/


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http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5208/cultdefinition.gif



Understanding Mormonism: The Sex Cult
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Mormons/sex_cult.htm

[manxboz]

Mister Orlibonub please read this on cults:-

So which church is a cult?


Constantly many so-called ‘true Christians’ claim to follow the correct path laid down by God and that anyone who doesn’t follow their form of belief is a Cultist and follower of a Cult. Well what is wrong is the usage of cult in this term. Yes it has been thrown about in context. The original meaning of cult was a term used to mean ritual worship but today it is a narrower, derogatory sense of the word and is a product of the 20th Century, especially since the 1980s, and is a result of the anti-cult movement, which uses the term in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous. Catherine Wessinger (Loyola University New Orleans) has stated that the term "cult" represents just as much prejudice and antagonism as racial slurs or derogatory words for women and homosexuals. She has argued that it is important for people to become aware of the bigotry conveyed by the word, drawing attention to the way it dehumanises the group's members and their children. Labelling a group as subhuman, she says, becomes a justification for violence against it. At the same time, she adds, labelling a group a "cult" makes people feel safe, because the "violence associated with religion is split off from conventional religions, projected onto others, and imagined to involve only aberrant groups." This fails to take into account that child abuse, sexual abuse, financial extortion and warfare have also been committed by believers of mainstream religions, but the pejorative "cult" stereotype makes it easier to avoid confronting this uncomfortable fact.

The term "cult" first appeared in English in 1617, derived from the French culte, meaning "worship" or "a particular form of worship" which in turn originated from the Latin word cultus meaning "care, cultivation, worship," originally "tended, cultivated," as in the past participle of colere "to till the soil". In French, for example, sections in newspapers giving the schedule of worship at Catholic churches are headed Culte Catholique; the section giving the schedule of Protestant churches is headed culte réformé. The meaning "devotion to a person or thing" is from 1829.

If we use Cult in the derogatory form that it takes on today then all Christianity is a cult of Judaism but I know many would throw a hissy fit at me suggesting that. See many Christians think of themselves more special, as holier than thou, people that can do no wrong as they follow the one True God. Now I believe the God of Israel is the true God and Jesus the Christ was His Son sent down to save our souls. But Jesus will say to many at the last days ‘I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. Luke 13:27 (KJV)’

Many people listen to preachers when they preach upon certain faiths and say how they are cults and how their way is the truth, most of them find their information though anti websites and not from the actual faith they are preaching upon. These people then use what they have heard without looking up scriptural evidence or information. Remember no matter what any man tell us, only God’s Word is correct, if it is not contained within Scripture then it does not exist. To listen and take the words of a certain preacher or a certain denominations view of Christian theology is nothing but ‘Cultist’ and in many cases is distorted. If you truly want to found out what a certain faith teaches go and ask them, you would not ask a Ford dealer on what is the best Honda is. But now I hear you say does it not say in 2 John 1 “10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:’, this verse does not forbid us to allow those who we think to be wrong to enter our house to witness unto us. It does mean not allowing false teachers a platform to preach on, like say in a church. As in the early days there was no central church building but believers met in their own houses. So if we find that after them witnessing that they are wrong, all you need to do is say I’m sorry but I believe you are wrong. No need to be nasty or anything, just explain to them that you are ok where you are and allow them to leave.

Many descriptions of a cult go like this:-
A distorted view of God and Jesus, denying the Trinity laid down the church. If you actually read the Bible there is no reference to the Trinity, this is even admitted by the Catholic church, ‘In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together....The Vatican Council has explained the meaning to be attributed to the term mystery in theology. It lays down that a mystery is a truth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but which, even when revealed, remains “hidden by the veil of faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness” (Const., "De fide. cath.", iv). (Joyce G.H. The Blessed Trinity. The Catholic Encyclopaedia, Volume XV Copyright © 1912 by Robert Appleton Company Online Edition Copyright © 2003 by K. Knight). Rom. 8:11, 2 Cor. 4:14, Gal. 1:1, Eph. 1:20, 1 Tim 1:2, 1 Pet. 1:21, and 2 John 1:13 these passages teach a Binitarian view of the Godhead.
Authoritarianism, Accepting a head, council etc as leaders of the church. But does not the Catholic church accept the Popes word’s as though God spoke them? Or does not the Protestant church accept the words of the Archbishop? All churches accept authority figures, many say they act for Christ and they are Christ’s representatives on the Earth. But as we are told in Isaiah 29:13 ‘Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:’. Remember we can always tell if a preacher is of God by their works.
Exclusivism, Many of those Christians preaching against cults say that ‘Cults think they are the only way’ but does not all Christians believe that Christ is the only way? Does this not mean that all Christianity is exclusive?
So by these traits, which a government of men has decided is the description of a cult, it would seem that all Christian and in fact all other Religions are indeed a Cult.
We should actually think before we start to attack those of other sects within Christianity. They are our Brothers and Sisters, they believe in Jesus the Christ. Who knows maybe they have the right view, test all knowledge against God’s Word and that Word is Christ (John1), ask the Holy Ghost to testify to whether what you are hearing is correct (Rev 22:16-18). Don’t shout horrible names at each other, Love your neighbour as yourself (Matthew 19:19) it’s not the way God or Christ would have us do it.
In Jesus’ Name
Amen

[amaralsright]

Look having inflitrated Mormonsim for the last 2 years, i know there is no handshake or password, thats bullshit from those wanting to cause trouble, there is however alot of masonic details in their temples, that much is true.

They changed the temple rituals in 1990.

Much to the puzzlement (and exodus) of many Mormons. "How can you change eternal truths?"

Handshakes and passwords are very much a part of Mormonsim for older Mormons and very much part of Joseph Smith's original Mormonism.

You should visit an ex-mormon site, there are quite a few of them. Absolutely fascinating reading.

http://www.exmormon.org/


Here's a thread about the temple handshake:

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon580.htm

[manxboz]

They changed the temple rituals in 1990.

Much to the puzzlement (and exodus) of many Mormons. "How can you change eternal truths?"

Handshakes and passwords are very much a part of Mormonsim for older Mormons and very much part of Joseph Smith's original Mormonism.

You should visit an ex-mormon site, there are quite a few of them. Absolutely fascinating reading.

http://www.exmormon.org/


Here's a thread about the temple handshake:

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon580.htm

Your right they changed the rituals in the Temple in 1990 but i can assure you, having been in the Temple there are not any handshakes. Also for you to be allowed in the Temple you need a Temple Recommend, which yes i have. For you to be alone in the Temple and allowed to walk free around it, you need the recommend and endownment, another yes for me.

[amaralsright]

Your right they changed the rituals in the Temple in 1990 but i can assure you, having been in the Temple there are not any handshakes.

You really don't know what's going on do you? Sounds like you've been given the "milk" before the "meat". (Any Mormon would know what I'm talking about).

The handshakes are (or were) part of the secret ordinances and for entering the veil. They are not for ordinary sunday worship.

I assure you handshakes and passwords are a big Mormon thing, you can't get past the sentinels guarding the Celestial Kingdom without them (or you couldn't until they changed the eternal truth).

If a Mormon was to tell you about this it would break their vow of secrecy - the penalty is (or was until they changed the eternal truth) death by slitting of the throat and disembowling and this is enacted when they took their vows in the temple using a slitting throat and stomach gesture.

It's all very masonic.

If you don't believe me then please, please, please read up on the ex-mormon board I linked to earlier.

I ain't messing with ya!

[manxboz]

You really don't know what's going on do you? Sounds like you've been given the "milk" before the "meat". (Any Mormon would know what I'm talking about).

The handshakes are (or were) part of the secret ordinances and for entering the veil. They are not for ordinary sunday worship.

I assure you handshakes and passwords are a big Mormon thing, you can't get past the sentinels guarding the Celestial Kingdom without them (or you couldn't until they changed the eternal truth).

If a Mormon was to tell you about this it would break their vow of secrecy - the penalty is (or was until they changed the eternal truth) death by slitting of the throat and disembowling and this is enacted when they took their vows in the temple using a slitting throat and stomach gesture.

It's all very masonic.

If you don't believe me then please, please, please read up on the ex-mormon board I linked to earlier.

I ain't messing with ya!

Look i'm telling you, yes it was part of the pre-1990 Temple rituals but i can assure you that it is not now. Trust me, my quest, if you want to call it that, is to find out the truth about it now.

[amaralsright]

Look i'm telling you, yes it was part of the pre-1990 Temple rituals but i can assure you that it is not now. Trust me, my quest, if you want to call it that, is to find out the truth about it now.

There are a lot of Mormons who took their vows before 1990.

It IS a big thing for them and also a puzzlement (those who think) as to how eternal truth can change.

[amaralsright]

i know there is no handshake or password, thats bullshit from those wanting to cause trouble

It's bullshit to point out that handshakes and passwords were the only way of getting into the Celestial Kingdom before 1990?

That's 160 years of Mormon history.

83% of Mormon history.

I'm causing trouble by pointing this out?

Do you think eternal truth can change?

[manxboz]

It's bullshit to point out that handshakes and passwords were the only way of getting into the Celestial Kingdom before 1990?

That's 160 years of Mormon history.

83% of Mormon history.

I'm causing trouble by pointing this out?

Do you think eternal truth can change?

It is bullshit, i agree with you, but i am talking about my own experience as an infiltrator. I mean my one thing i have proven is Bishops cannot be of God because i was drinking etc and yet was still given a Temple recommend. I was alowed to walk the 'Holy Rooms' of the Temple etc. Somthing we are told cannot be done if you are not a 'true' Mormon. But i have not yet been given a secret password or handshake in the Temple.

[amaralsright]

It is bullshit, i agree with you,

Then what is your problem?

[manxboz]

Then what is your problem?

I have none, i just think that truth needs to come out. You say it's part of Mormon life etc but it isn't now. YOu say Emma Smith left the LDS church, she only left the main sect and joined the RLDS. Research man, get a full picture before writing thats all. A good debunker finds all the angles not just the one he wants.

[amaralsright]

I have none, i just think that truth needs to come out. You say it's part of Mormon life etc but it isn't now.
Yes it is!

Try telling any Mormon (the majority) who did the rituals pre-1990.

You can't change eternal truth.

YOu say Emma Smith left the LDS church, she only left the main sect and joined the RLDS.
The RLDS is NOT part of the LDS Church and you know it.

Research man, get a full picture before writing thats all.
I'm the one who knows what's happening.
You are an Mormon apologist trying to pretend you're something else.

Did you visit the exmormon web site?

What do you think?

[manxboz]

Yes it is!

Try telling any Mormon (the majority) who did the rituals pre-1990.

You can't change eternal truth.


The RLDS is NOT part of the LDS Church and you know it.


I'm the one who knows what's happening.
You are an Mormon apologist trying to pretend you're something else.

Did you visit the exmormon web site?

What do you think?

The RLDS still uses the BOM and many of Smiths Teachings. I go on the exmormon site and think it's great but there are some which are made up and many of my friends who are exmormons agree. I ain't a Mormon apologist, the BOM is false, Smith was not a Prophet of God but if you want to believe i am one then fine, i dnt have to prove it to you. It was part of the pre-1990 ritual but it is not part of it now for christ sake read what i am telling you, instead of what you think you are reading.

[manxboz]

The RLDS is like what the Church of England is. A break away from a bigger Church.

[amaralsright]

The RLDS still uses the BOM and many of Smiths Teachings.
They are NOT part of the LDS.

Just admit it.

Emma wanted nothing to do with polygamy. She was sickened by it.

And for FFS it was ME who said handshakes were pre-1990, it was YOU who said it was causing trouble to mention it.

So it's causing trouble to mention that for 160 years (83% of their existence) Mormons believed that you can't get into the Celestial Kindom without the passwords and handshakes and now they have dropped it?

Does eternal truth change?

Many Mormons left the church because that woke them up.

Now tell me this, is the handshake and password still in the minds of many if not most Mormons?

If you visit the discussion boards (which I did for a long time) you will see it is.

[amaralsright]

The RLDS is like what the Church of England is. A break away from a bigger Church.

Does the LDS consider it as part if their church?

Do RLDS see themselves as part of the LDS?

You know the answer.

[manxboz]

Does the LDS consider it as part if their church?

Do RLDS see themselves as part of the LDS?

You know the answer.

No they don't, but does the CoE consider themselves part of the Catholic Church? no.

Yes as you were talking about Hanshakes as if they still go on now,which they don't. 'Enternel truths' cannot be changed. Look you cannot deny that the RLDS did not come from the LDS.

[amaralsright]

Yes as you were talking about Hanshakes as if they still go on now,which they don't.
They never "went on" anyway, they were taught once at the endowment ceremony to be used after death when getting into the Celestial Kingdom and many if not most Mormons still think this is the case because they were endowed pre-1990.

To try and pretend handshakes are not important in Mormonism today is nonsense.

'Enternel truths' cannot be changed.
Unless you're a leader of the LDS.

Look you cannot deny that the RLDS did not come from the LDS.

I'm not!

I'm just pointing out Emma Smith left the LDS which she did because she was disgusted bt it.

The RLDS and the LDS are different and do not recognise each other.

[manxboz]

They never "went on" anyway, they were taught once at the endowment ceremony to be used after death when getting into the Celestial Kingdom and many if not most Mormons still think this is the case because they were endowed pre-1990.

To try and pretend handshakes are not important in Mormonism today is nonsense.


Unless you're a leader of the LDS.



I'm not!

I'm just pointing out Emma Smith left the LDS which she did because she was disgusted bt it.

The RLDS and the LDS are different and do not recognise each other.

Yes unless your the false prophet of the LDS church. Yes Emma left the LDS church but she must have believe some of it otherwise why would she still join a sect that uses some of Smith's work and the BOM? Also the LDS does recognise the RLDS (now the Community of Christ) as they use some of there work in the Triple and Quads. Anyway love to carry on but must be off.

[amaralsright]

Mormons and handshakes.

Forever linked.

No matter that they hide it today.

[amaralsright]

Mormons baptise dead people by proxy. They may have baptised members of your family.

That's why they have one of the biggest ancestry databases on the planet.

They are going to save the human race by baptising all those who are dead into the Mormon religion. They do this by trawling through ancient birth/baptismal records.

That's a bit of a bugger for the africans and chinese who's records are virtually non-existant.

They have people in the Temple going around in endless circles being baptised all day on behalf of someone else.

What a barking mad exercise.

[manxboz]

Mormons baptise dead people by proxy. They may have baptised members of your family.

That's why they have one of the biggest ancestry databases on the planet.

They are going to save the human race by baptising all those who are dead into the Mormon religion. They do this by trawling through ancient birth/baptismal records.

That's a bit of a bugger for the africans and chinese who's records are virtually non-existant.

They have people in the Temple going around in endless circles being baptised all day on behalf of someone else.

What a barking mad exercise.

Yes they have 9 members of my family on their database including myself, 4 of those are dead and only 2 of the dead have been baptised and comfirmed. Barking mad very true, but for those that have no records they baptise for eras and countries now and leave it to God. Joseph Smith himself has been baptised over 50 times, before some friends left Portland in Ohio they said Joseph Smith was going though again, now thats barking mad.

[phildee3]

Without confirmation (the completion of baptism by conscious choice) baptism is ineffectual in the otherworld. It can only serve as a temporary protection in this world.

[amaralsright]

but for those that have no records they baptise for eras and countries now and leave it to God.

Bonkers.

Why not do it for all eras and countries, it would save a lot of trouble.

[manxboz]

Bonkers.

Why not do it for all eras and countries, it would save a lot of trouble.

I'm not sure, i will have to ask next time i see the missionaries.

[amaralsright]

Ask them about the Mountains Meadows Massacre while you're at it.

[manxboz]

Ask them about the Mountains Meadows Massacre while you're at it.

Why? I already know about that.

[amaralsright]

Why? I already know about that.

What do you know?