What does David Icke say

[lifeofbrian]

1) we are up against

2) we should do about it


in your understanding?

[john white]

(What does Icke say)
1) we are up against

Imbalanced Consciousness

2) we should do about it

Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World


in your understanding?

Thats it, concisely

[lilly555]

1) we are up against

2) we should do about it


in your understanding?


1. an aspect of the matrix that wishes to perpetuate a dark and twisted agenda over the rest of infinity

2. send it love

[soglad]

Imbalanced Consciousness



Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World

Thread over. HAHAH

That was spot on. :D

[lifeofbrian]

Cheers John. And how does

"Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World"

manifest, in practical terms?

[lookfar]

Imbalanced Consciousness



Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World




Thats it, concisely

Hey well summed up Big J!!:D

[lilly555]

Cheers John. And how does

"Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World"

manifest, in practical terms?

I find that balancing myself has a healing/calming effect on other people that I come into contact with.

[lifeofbrian]

I find that balancing myself has a healing/calming effect on other people that I come into contact with.

Sounds nice.

How do you balance your actions?

[john white]

Cheers John. And how does

"Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World"

manifest, in practical terms?

Well, I consider it enlightened self-interest

Firstly, by questing to understand, challenge, and examine ourselves we begin to release ourselves from programmed patterns, take responsibility for what we choose to do, to think, to feel and to believe, and the consequences of the same, become compassionate forgiving and understanding towards ourselves, and find greater inner peace, clarity, and harmony

Then we are able to offer inspiration by being the embodiement of the change we wish to see, and are open to being similarily inspired by others

I call this "doing the Work"

By sharing openly and honestly our real perspectives and not conforming to robotic norms, we then offer inspiration (not imposition) to any others attracted in the same path, and ultimately create a cascade change, the process of which this forum itself is a manifestation of

Consciousness knows: and consciousness flows...

[lilly555]

Sounds nice.

How do you balance your actions?

I don't know. It just happens.:confused:

I think that it comes from a higher state of knowing.

[matrixcutter]

1) we are up against
Murderous walking lizard people.


2) we should do about it
Love them away, and not panic because they are an illusion anyway.

[lilly555]

Here's something that gets me. Since it's all an illusion anyways...why do we care at all about what happens with anything???:confused:

[john white]

Here's something that gets me. Since it's a an illusion anyways...why do we care at all about what happens with anything???:confused:

Because "the illusion" should express us, not repress us

[lilly555]

Is respression not a form of it's own expression?

i.e. all these forms of repression that we have around us are expressing itself through the matrix as repression.

From a stand point of enlightment or infinity doesn't repression have every much a right to exist as expression?

Or have i just contradicted myself?

[bicycle]

Murderous walking lizard people.



Love them away, and not panic because they are an illusion anyway.


LOL:D

[john white]

Is respression not a form of it's own expression?

i.e. all these forms of repression that we have around us are expressing itself through the matrix as repression.

From a stand point of enlightment or infinity doesn't repression have every much a right to exist as expression?

Or have i just contradicted myself?

As infinite consciousness we are irrepressable

Using the illusion to convince us otherwise is what "the repression" is all about

And that's the knowledge that Icke (amongst many others) is informing us about

[tinmenace]

Imbalanced Consciousness



Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World




Thats it, concisely

Precisely.

[bicycle]

Imbalanced Consciousness



Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World




Thats it, concisely

Is that possible in this vibrational reality?

[john white]

Is that possible in this vibrational reality?

Yes, absolutely

The first step to manifestation is intention

[lydia78]

Yes, absolutely

The first step to manifestation is intention

Very true John;)

[abrilliantone]

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-7911390566114083335 :)

[tejas]

I think your answers are far too simplistic.

What exactly is unbalanced consciousness?

What do you mean by it? And how can you balance it again?

[tejas]

Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World


So you are basically saying that by just thinking happy thoughts all the evil in the world will go away?

There is a word for that; self-delusion.

[tinmenace]

Read this book, and then maybe you'll begin to understand what John is saying.




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[cheesedanish]

I'm watching the Dvd again "Freedom or Fascism: the time to choose"
and he is talking about it right now ....

[thirdwave]

1) we are up against

2) we should do about it


in your understanding?


1, people who are trying to manipulate our evolution and development for their own benefit, using the advanced knowledge and understanding they have over us... these people do not share the same morals as we do and will do what ever they can to keep us in the dark, so far they have managed to use mind control Techniques that have worked wonders and have kept us from understanding what our true abilities are and what the true nature of life is, the have not had to use real force really, because we do the work for them, although the cracks are now showing and their desperate actions are become more and more transparent.


2, Understand what they are and have been doing it, why they are doing it, and learn that our consciousness creates our world and they can only trick us into creating the lives we live as they have no real power over our consciousness... although they are desperate to go as far as they can.

[joss classey]

realise that 'your demons' have been imposed on you

they were never a part of you and have no place within you

inner peace is unique to all. there is never any need to worry as you are good through and through. there is nothing anybody can say to bring you down because light does not fight darkness. it shines through. battles are between two evils. let them fight. it doesn't matter because as icke says, infinite love is THE ONLY truth

[thirdwave]

So you are basically saying that by just thinking happy thoughts all the evil in the world will go away?

There is a word for that; self-delusion.


I understand what he is saying, you are thinking about it from a 3D perspective... which is impossible to understand.... thats like me showing you a 2D square and asking you how deep it is.

Your consciousness and mine are all from the same ocean ...just separate drops...

now, what you think and feel reflects in your world... not mine but yours.... I might see effects in your world... but its my choice to be effected by them and allow them into my world...after all my world is mine, my creation.

now if we are talking about making our own lives better and more fruitful then its simple, we just create it that way..... if we would like to make this world collectively better, as our creation... then of course If I make my world better it does not mean I have made yours better... you might be making yours worse...maybe not... but first things first we need to understand that together we have the power to change it with a click of our fingers.... but most people don't even understand they can change their own lives...let alone the planets...

for the evil in the world to go, we need to understand that as a collective consciousness we are actually god of this planet and can make anything happen.. and infact the only reason we don't feel we can individuality change it is because we have all created lots of obstacle's that say we cant... and we have to solve this.

so yes... if enough people start thinking happy thoughts.... then more people will start thinking happy thoughts... and when more people start thinking happy thoughts then there will be less evil thoughts going around and there for less evil created... Evil people are not powerful in my eyes... they are week, just vehicles.... if the driver is driven out then the vehicles wont be used that way anymore...


but we are programed to distrust our selfs and the world...slowly ...bit by bit.... every time we start up our cars in the morning and burn up a bit more fuel... to when we cut someone up on the road so WE are not late.... while "they" bask in it and offer the options... which will permit more problems at an even deeper level.... and it will go on... and has done...

[i am all i am]

1) we are up against

2) we should do about it


in your understanding?

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

1). Ourselves, for ALL THAT IS / LOVE is a state of oneness, or said by David Icke himself, "Infinite Love is all there is, everything else is illusion".

2). Love ourselves unconditionally, that is, each and every aspect.

THANK YOU.



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[resistance]

So you are basically saying that by just thinking happy thoughts all the evil in the world will go away?

There is a word for that; self-delusion.

My opinion on this is the same as this dude! if yu think that yu can change the world by conscious thought alone then uuummm yu are missing a link somewhere people, try telling this tu the people in Iraq at the moment who are being flattened by a military machine that doesn't care a monkeys about conscious thought neither will it ever do! All this talk about conscious thought changing the world sounds very nice but that may take a while (thousands of years if not much longer) so by that time the nwo will be fully up and running and would have been for thousands of years! peace at the moment is an ilusion, an ilusion that hides a supreme Evil, while people talk about so called peace the enemy is busy forming his new world, oh and all in the name of "peace" of coarse.

[tinmenace]

Repost :rolleyes:
Read this book, and then maybe you'll begin to understand what John is saying.




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[i am all i am]

Cheers John. And how does

"Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World"

manifest, in practical terms?

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

ALL THAT IS / LOVE, is the Sum Totality of everything, and as such, each and every aspect creates the Sum Totality, and therefore, every aspect's individual creation (choices) re-creates the Sum Totality moment to moment through the choices that each individual makes. When each individual re-creates its expression, and therefore its experience, from a state of unconditional love, the Sum Totality is re-created anew and begins to re-balance itself towards the true state of what we all are, ALL THAT IS / LOVE.

THANK YOU.



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[mr_moon]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Lifeofbrian.

ALL THAT IS / LOVE, is the Sum Totality of everything, and as such, each and every aspect creates the Sum Totality, and therefore, every aspect's individual creation (choices) re-creates the Sum Totality moment to moment through the choices that each individual makes. When each individual re-creates its expression, and therefore its experience, from a state of unconditional love, the Sum Totality is re-created anew and begins to re-balance itself towards the true state of what we all are, ALL THAT IS / LOVE.

THANK YOU.



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:) What a lovely way to put it

[neutron flux]

so yes... if enough people start thinking happy thoughts.... then more people will start thinking happy thoughts... and when more people start thinking happy thoughts then there will be less evil thoughts going around and there for less evil created... Evil people are not powerful in my eyes... they are week, just vehicles.... if the driver is driven out then the vehicles wont be used that way anymore...


Happy thoughts won't change a thing- take that to the bank. There will always be the 6% running the show to ponerize society to think like them - unless we address that issue first. Anyway, happy thoughts are subjective, to a psychopath thinking of war or how they are going to manipulate someone or society on the whole are happy thoughts to them and they are just "creating their own reality".

If we keep letting psychopaths have leadership positions in politics or big business and the media then nothings ever going to change.

And at the same time we must look at our own mechanical actions and programmed responses of that which has been installed by the pathocracy and break them down.

[resistance]

Happy thoughts won't change a thing- take that to the bank. There will always be the 6% running the show to ponerize society to think like them - unless we address that issue first. Anyway, happy thoughts are subjective, to a psychopath thinking of war or how they are going to manipulate someone or society on the whole are happy thoughts to them and they are just "creating their own reality".

If we keep letting psychopaths have leadership positions in politics or big business and the media then nothings ever going to change.

And at the same time we must look at our own mechanical actions and programmed responses of that which has been installed by the pathocracy and break them down.

spot on that person, i totally agree with yu, happy thoughts are what we all want but these thoughts are not going tu change the world! why because there is evil people in high places that are still controlling yu and always will be until they are physically challenged, People that think this can be done with conscious thought alone are i believe being mislead.

[lifeofbrian]

Cheers everyone, all good posts. Will get back to this in a while - having a set-back in my mourning of girlfriend and baby at the moment - but the rest of you please carry on. Another Q; you reckon the 'where to go from here' is what the new book of Icke's will be covering?

[tejas]

Happy thoughts won't change a thing- take that to the bank. There will always be the 6% running the show to ponerize society to think like them - unless we address that issue first. Anyway, happy thoughts are subjective, to a psychopath thinking of war or how they are going to manipulate someone or society on the whole are happy thoughts to them and they are just "creating their own reality".

If we keep letting psychopaths have leadership positions in politics or big business and the media then nothings ever going to change.

And at the same time we must look at our own mechanical actions and programmed responses of that which has been installed by the pathocracy and break them down.

EXACTLY. I agree entirely with what you are saying.

Especially happy/sad concepts which are all relative.

Love/fear is also relative.

How do you know whether you are really freeing your consciousness or just thinking that you are.

The mind can be made to believe anything if it is programmed accordingly.

[joss classey]

EXACTLY. I agree entirely with what you are saying.

Especially happy/sad concepts which are all relative.

Love/fear is also relative.

How do you know whether you are really freeing your consciousness or just thinking that you are.

The mind can be made to believe anything if it is programmed accordingly.

i think the idea is more that people will aspire to be like you

shit will happen. you will rise above it. they will admire your strength of mind and simple philosophies.

hopefully they will adopt some of the same ideas.

soon a cascade of change is upon us. a butterfly effect of altered consciousness.

collective change will give rise to a common philosophy. the enemy will then become clear and will be 'neutralized' as it will be seen for its negativity and poisonous effects from a clear fresh perspective.

that is the way i see it.

as it is said in the dead poets society. IDEAS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD

[mr_moon]

How do you know whether you are really freeing your consciousness or just thinking that you are.


You just know... you can't program intuition into the fabric of human beings and it is this which we need to experience i think...

... INTUITION will save the World as it inevitably brings Joy and Peace.

Much Love
xxxxxxxxxx

[seanx]

Originally Posted by tejas

So you are basically saying that by just thinking happy thoughts all the evil in the world will go away?

There is a word for that; self-delusion.

You asked this question.

Can I direct you again to thirdwave's reply - which sums it up
perfectly.

And it's not 'thinking happy thoughts', which we were talking
about. That's surely a childish understanding of it.

It's about changing CORE, inner, seminal belief and feeling
patterns, which govern our behaviour and create our reality.

But not necessarily YOUR reality. If your beliefs remain the same
so will the reality you experience.

The key is: My reality is not your reality.

It may share a lot of similarites because, on an unconscious level,
we agree on a lot of universal things...i.e. the nature of space
and Time, the sky is blue etc.

However, if you were to decide to even leave that consenus
reality about the nature of time, your experience of time
would be totally different in YOUR reality.

Tinmenace is right. It's unfair to gibly dismiss this idea as
self -deception without at least reading Infinite love
and Tales of Time loop.

But first read what thirdforce wrote: It's very well put.

I understand what he is saying, you are thinking about it from a 3D perspective... which is impossible to understand.... thats like me showing you a 2D square and asking you how deep it is.

Your consciousness and mine are all from the same ocean ...just separate drops...

now, what you think and feel reflects in your world... not mine but yours.... I might see effects in your world... but its my choice to be effected by them and allow them into my world...after all my world is mine, my creation.

now if we are talking about making our own lives better and more fruitful then its simple, we just create it that way..... if we would like to make this world collectively better, as our creation... then of course If I make my world better it does not mean I have made yours better... you might be making yours worse...maybe not... but first things first we need to understand that together we have the power to change it with a click of our fingers.... but most people don't even understand they can change their own lives...let alone the planets...

for the evil in the world to go, we need to understand that as a collective consciousness we are actually god of this planet and can make anything happen.. and infact the only reason we don't feel we can individuality change it is because we have all created lots of obstacle's that say we cant... and we have to solve this.

so yes... if enough people start thinking happy thoughts.... then more people will start thinking happy thoughts... and when more people start thinking happy thoughts then there will be less evil thoughts going around and there for less evil created... Evil people are not powerful in my eyes... they are week, just vehicles.... if the driver is driven out then the vehicles wont be used that way anymore...


but we are programed to distrust our selfs and the world...slowly ...bit by bit.... every time we start up our cars in the morning and burn up a bit more fuel... to when we cut someone up on the road so WE are not late.... while "they" bask in it and offer the options... which will permit more problems at an even deeper level.... and it will go on... and has done...

[seanx]

Happy thoughts won't change a thing- take that to the bank. There will always be the 6% running the show to ponerize society to think like them - unless we address that issue first

Yes, and why is that?

Because the majority of people about 94% don't want to
take responsibilty for what happens to them.

Deep down, they want to be led.

For someone else to take the hard decisions.

As a famous Irish politican once observed about the 'masses';
Don't mind them. Once they have a job, have enough money for
a pint, and get a bit of sex, they'll be fine, and won't bother you.

A more accurate way you can look at it is that the Elite have clearly
conditioned us into sheep who don't want power.

Through their 'religions and their 'sciences' they have convinced
us ( implanted highly charged emotional beliefs
patterns into our cellular memory):

That we are weak, disgusting creatures.

Prone to sin.

Who are capable of nothing.

Mere Machines.

Spects of dusts.

A cosmic joke.

They have implanted these insidious beliefs into us - and is it
no wonder we give our power away.

Again, it all comes back to changing our beliefs about ourselves.

Taking action without changing how you really feel and believe
about yourself is putting the cart before the wheel.

Belief creates reality.

How you see yourself determines how you act and waht you believe is possible for you.

Change those beliefs ....and everything else will change NATURALLY.

One thing this isn't is: Self-delusion.

[joss classey]

we have so much power

so bloody much.

i vow to dedicate (and i'm being honest here) the rest of my life to helping create a better reality for us all in which ever way i can.

i simply cannot be content with conformity. i have seen paradise, and IT IS attainable.

[joss classey]

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[matrixcutter]

As a famous Irish politican once observed about the 'masses';
Don't mind them. Once they have a job, have enough money for
a pint, and get a bit of sex, they'll be fine, and won't bother you
Wow, that's pretty blatant.

[seanx]

He was our esteemed Minister for Finance and now a top EU
Comissionaire

[resistance]

Sorry but for want of better words it sounds a bit like some of yu have become a bit brainwashed here, sorry if that offends anybody but i don't say it to offend i just want tu speak my mind. love is a good thing but wheres the radical child within yu? yu know the freedom fighter?

[joss classey]

Sorry but for want of better words it sounds a bit like some of yu have become a bit brainwashed here, sorry if that offends anybody but i don't say it to offend i just want tu speak my mind. love is a good thing but wheres the radical child within yu? yu know the freedom fighter?

please elaborate on this so-called 'brainwashing'

[xdnax]

reptilian bum-suckers.

kill em with hippiness.

fuck em all......nicely :)

[resistance]

please elaborate on this so-called 'brainwashing'

well, i am all for peace and love but yu cant open your gates to hungry lions without expecting not tu be eaten and this is what i think i am seeing, some seem tu have a diminished sense and perception of some elements, if i am making sense? i respect them for pursuing love and peace but that could be full of many sorrows for them? because the time of eternal peace is not yet at hand and neither can just a few obtain it, i want with all my heart peaceful people to succeed but i fear that the lion will devour them. war is horrible and the peaceful people in the world are the ones that will gain the least and lose the most and that upsets me greatly, so i guess that i'm just trying to toughen up the beautiful people a bit but only because i care.

[mr_moon]

well, i am all for peace and love but yu cant open your gates to hungry lions without expecting not tu be eaten and this is what i think i am seeing, some seem tu have a diminished sense and perception of some elements, if i am making sense? i respect them for pursuing love and peace but that could be full of many sorrows for them? because the time of eternal peace is not yet at hand and neither can just a few obtain it, i want with all my heart peaceful people to succeed but i fear that the lion will devour them. war is horrible and the peaceful people in the world are the ones that will gain the least and lose the most and that upsets me greatly, so i guess that i'm just trying to toughen up the beautiful people a bit but only because i care.

Nah... the more Love you have the more in tune you are with your Intuition... the easier it is to take someone down if you need to ;)

The Martial Arts from the East know this fact and they've spent AGES doing this... it's all about TRUST in yourself and knowing what to do at the time. You can talk about it until you fall asleep but until it comes to actually experiencing it in the moment...

...it's when you are NOT aware that you can be overpowered...

Much Love
xxxxxxxxx

[dodie]

Repost :rolleyes:

Lifeofbrian, ..the trick is to find the real you the i/self within,and that book will do it nicely. ..only from that perspective can you change this 3d reflection/illusion. ..And a big key to that is to not think good thoughts, or bad thoughts it is basically to stop thinking period.,that is how we ended up in this mess. your thoughts and emotions are not you, and you have to learn to detach from them,.identifying with them,...and stop reacting and responding to them...until you do ,you will not find the true you, that beautiful silence within,....and it is from that observation point, the true you,..that we will bring this silly game to an end.:). love dodie x

[rasnalgoul]

Well the one place I would differ in say my understanding of it all would be to say what John White would have said, except i dont think we should give ourselves so much credit as to doing anything. What I am saying is if we really think that everyones paradise is what we think of ours then we are simply recreating a notion of repression, but trying to show others the way. We need to stop being so righteous all the time. Some times things just live and die, and I dont think that every person is capapble of spontaneously generating matter or object at their will , no i dont see that happening but what i do see is these groups of enlightened people might come together and watch this civilization burn itself out. Hopefully we will still keep knowledge of certain things, but all in all what Im saying is people are gonna group together into small polities of their own paradise consensus reality, then we can have the understanding that ours isnt 'the best' or 'the only way' and respect each others space and go vacation in other paradises, or what not. But again, Im preaching my version of truth so you all can just tell me to fuck off , and go on doing your realities because in all senses of the experience its making it really really interesting and fun. CHEERS

[lifeofbrian]

Lifeofbrian, ..the trick is to find the real you the i/self within,and that book will do it nicely. ..only from that perspective can you change this 3d reflection/illusion. ..And a big key to that is to not think good thoughts, or bad thoughts it is basically to stop thinking period.,that is how we ended up in this mess. your thoughts and emotions are not you, and you have to learn to detach from them,.identifying with them,...and stop reacting and responding to them...until you do ,you will not find the true you, that beautiful silence within,....and it is from that observation point, the true you,..that we will bring this silly game to an end.:). love dodie x

I've read David's books. I read the book by Michael Talbot in 1989: The Holographic Universe.

Basically the same stuff.

Just like the Bible, a book can hold information but not teach anyone who they are. Personally I found out who and what I am at the age of 8, when I attempted suicide. Cheers for trying to tell me though.

[lifeofbrian]

Cheers John. And how does

"Balance our personal consciousness and thus help re-balance the World"

manifest, in practical terms?


Well, I consider it enlightened self-interest

Firstly, by questing to understand, challenge, and examine ourselves we begin to release ourselves from programmed patterns, take responsibility for what we choose to do, to think, to feel and to believe, and the consequences of the same, become compassionate forgiving and understanding towards ourselves, and find greater inner peace, clarity, and harmony

Then we are able to offer inspiration by being the embodiement of the change we wish to see, and are open to being similarily inspired by others

I call this "doing the Work"

By sharing openly and honestly our real perspectives and not conforming to robotic norms, we then offer inspiration (not imposition) to any others attracted in the same path, and ultimately create a cascade change, the process of which this forum itself is a manifestation of

Consciousness knows: and consciousness flows...


Do you think a person can deprogramme himself, as in using the programmed mind to snap out of the programming?

[lifeofbrian]

Backing up a bit:

So when people can 'talk the talk', comes the big 'work':

How to 'walk the talk'.

What say ye, John White, seeing as you're the designated expert on Icke's material?

[cheesedanish]

I've read David's books. I read the book by Michael Talbot in 1989: The Holographic Universe.

Basically the same stuff.

Just like the Bible, a book can hold information but not teach anyone who they are. Personally I found out who and what I am at the age of 8, when I attempted suicide. Cheers for trying to tell me though.

Will you please tell us what you found out about Who and What you Are?
Out of interest please? Shew such a young age - you must have been
going through something terrible...

[lifeofbrian]

Will you please tell us what you found out about Who and What you Are?
Out of interest please? Shew such a young age - you must have been
going through something terrible...

Not in this thread, as this thread is about David Icke and his teachings and how his readers interpret it all. I'll drop you a PM one of these days if that's all right with you.

[john white]

Do you think a person can deprogramme himself, as in using the programmed mind to snap out of the programming?

Yes. There are lots of different ways of achieving this. Tim Leary robert Anton Wilson used to advocate overloading the programme until it crashed. Icke advocates getting in touch with feelings and counterbalancing the mind. Redfeild advocates becoming aware of co-incidence and followuing the subtle inner nudges to action

Backing up a bit:

So when people can 'talk the talk', comes the big 'work':

How to 'walk the talk'.


Its a natural progression, from seeing things in a "new" light within to keeping on challenging the outer world and making changes (Job, relationship, environment etc etc)

What say ye, John White, seeing as you're the designated expert on Icke's material?

Designated by who?

David Icke and his teachings

Icke's just doing his job as a journalist

[cheesedanish]

Not in this thread, as this thread is about David Icke and his teachings and how his readers interpret it all. I'll drop you a PM one of these days if that's all right with you.

Ok - I just thought we could learn about the nature of reality which
David Icke talks about in his book 'Infinite love is the only truth,
everything else is illusion' - I imagine it's NDE ? anyway when you
are ready....

[lifeofbrian]

Do you think a person can deprogramme himself, as in using the programmed mind to snap out of the programming?

Yes. There are lots of different ways of achieving this. Tim Leary robert Anton Wilson used to advocate overloading the programme until it crashed. Icke advocates getting in touch with feelings and counterbalancing the mind. Redfeild advocates becoming aware of co-incidence and followuing the subtle inner nudges to action

Cheers. Individual ways for different individuals. Do any of them recommend observing actions, especially the own and how they align with or differ in comparison to those of the conditioned mind of self and others?


Backing up a bit:

So when people can 'talk the talk', comes the big 'work':

How to 'walk the talk'.

Its a natural progression, from seeing things in a "new" light within to keeping on challenging the outer world and making changes (Job, relationship, environment etc etc)

How do you that in a world of duality/imbalance? I'm serious and appreciate your thoughts on this.


What say ye, John White, seeing as you're the designated expert on Icke's material?

Designated by who?

Your friends the happy clappers ;)


David Icke and his teachings

Icke's just doing his job as a journalist

Now that's not quite true. He's been writing about his own journey, and I remember getting the message from Pamela Icke that David Icke is fighting for my freedom and without him I'd be chipped. Made me feel like a helpless victim for a split second, dependent upon David.

A journalist/reporter strives to be objective and neutral and does not claim to hold or have the truth or be a snowplough or leader of any sort or shape.