Those in power will stay in power.

[eustacekidd]

Throughout history there have always been people with more control than others, do these people deserve this power? Probably. Remember these people actually made a choice to take control of their lives and either took advantage of situations or created situations to take advantage of. These people did not sleep in, didn’t sit on the sofa watching tv or by the computer for hours and hours. These people bent the world to their will, and once in control the made sure they would stay there. Their offspring, born in to positions of power? Hardly, there are so many instances of children born to a dynasty; political, business, entertainment etc. and squandering what was put before them. No, the people in charge are the fittest, bred to be the fittest, brought up to be the fittest, taught to survive by eating the weak, sounds pretty natural to me.

Until you realise what you are up against you will be unable to do anything about it. And what can you do about it? Really, can you or a group or a nation or a race fight a principle? How can survival of the fittest, the natural order of things, be reversed? Or even slowed down?

[danster82]

I agree with this in part we too can learn how to rule but I dont agree that we would have to rule with an iron sceptre.

The situation we have currently is in some ways perfect as its simply the result of irresponsibility among the mass's.

[kappy0405]

Until you realise what you are up against you will be unable to do anything about it. And what can you do about it? Really, can you or a group or a nation or a race fight a principle? How can survival of the fittest, the natural order of things, be reversed? Or even slowed down?

The principle is called Oligarchy. The solution is Democracy.

[steevo]

Throughout history there have always been people with more control than others, do these people deserve this power? Probably. Remember these people actually made a choice to take control of their lives and either took advantage of situations or created situations to take advantage of. These people did not sleep in, didn’t sit on the sofa watching tv or by the computer for hours and hours. These people bent the world to their will, and once in control the made sure they would stay there. Their offspring, born in to positions of power? Hardly, there are so many instances of children born to a dynasty; political, business, entertainment etc. and squandering what was put before them. No, the people in charge are the fittest, bred to be the fittest, brought up to be the fittest, taught to survive by eating the weak, sounds pretty natural to me.

Until you realise what you are up against you will be unable to do anything about it. And what can you do about it? Really, can you or a group or a nation or a race fight a principle? How can survival of the fittest, the natural order of things, be reversed? Or even slowed down?

If they REALLY are the fittest, then why are they so scared of the people rising up ?

[eustacekidd]

If they REALLY are the fittest, then why are they so scared of the people rising up ?

Are they scared? How will people rise up?

[steevo]

Are they scared? How will people rise up?

Bad people DO fear things. They are like manipulative bullies. They may have periods where they put their fears to the back of their minds, but there are times when they MUST act, or they fear losing what they have got.

They only have power because we give it to them. All we have to do is take it away.

Dont get me wrong, I am very aware that humanity has got a big job on it's hands right now if we want freedom. Our programmed minds are the first big obstacle.

[eustacekidd]

Bad people DO fear things. They are like manipulative bullies. They may have periods where they put their fears to the back of their minds, but there are times when they MUST act, or they fear losing what they have got.

They only have power because we give it to them. All we have to do is take it away.

Dont get me wrong, I am very aware that humanity has got a big job on it's hands right now if we want freedom. Our programmed minds are the first big obstacle.

But did we really give them power? Didn't they take it?

[steevo]

But did we really give them power? Didn't they take it?

We have been tricked into giving our power away. Mind manipulation.

[palehorse]

what do you people know about the law of attraction?

The games they play are mind games. In reality, no one can affect your life and body but your self.

Like ghandi said you have to be the change you want to see in the world.

If they can trick you into mysticism, which is looking out side of yourself for answers and causes, then you lose.

This is a disease of the mind

[kappy0405]

Thing is, most people are fine with the current system simply because they don't understand it. And if they don't understand the current system, they definitely can't understand the direction the system is taking us in. Until the majority understands these things, we can't do anything..

so the first and foremost thing we need to do is INFORM PEOPLE. It really is that simple.

From there, stage massive protests, demonstrations, etc. all of which show our dissent & encourage even more people to stand up and take action..

Finally, when enough people are informed and no longer apathetic, peaceful non-compliance will be all that's needed.

The term 'info war' sounds cliche, but that really is what we're dealing with.

[palehorse]

Thing is, most people are fine with the current system simply because they don't understand it. And if they don't understand the current system, they definitely can't understand the direction the system is taking us in. Until the majority understands these things, we can't do anything..

so the first and foremost thing we need to do is INFORM PEOPLE. It really is that simple.

From there, stage massive protests, demonstrations, etc. all of which show our dissent & encourage even more people to stand up and take action..

Finally, when enough people are informed and no longer apathetic, peaceful non-compliance will be all that's needed.

The term 'info war' sounds cliche, but that really is what we're dealing with.

I disagree. Even though your intentions are good, I think a more effective and easier way is to just live your knowledge. people will catch on. you dont have to stand on a soap box.

[kappy0405]

I disagree. Even though your intentions are good, I think a more effective and easier way is to just live your knowledge. people will catch on. you dont have to stand on a soap box.

But that's what people have been doing throughout history, and look where its gotten us.. I would love to be optimistic, but the ptb are already pretty close to getting their world government. They wouldn't have even had a chance had people been informed.

[steevo]

I disagree. Even though your intentions are good, I think a more effective and easier way is to just live your knowledge. people will catch on. you dont have to stand on a soap box.

Personally I think that it's good to share information with our fellow man. Ickey shared it with me/us, and I found that it help MASSIVELY. I just wanna share the info with EVERYONE.

But I do agree Palehorse, that it's a fantastic thing to live your knowledge, and yes I believe that people will catch on. Spread knowledge/info and live it too, I say :)

[eustacekidd]

I think I need to clarify, I wasn't asking whats to be done about those in power, I was stating that it is the natural order of things for a small group to rise to the apex of a society, in any social group you have a dominate male or female, and all others must defer to them. Surely this is just an extension of this, and that freedom for all is impossible, only by taking initiative for yourself and those immediately around you can you rise to their level.

[kappy0405]

I think I need to clarify, I wasn't asking whats to be done about those in power, I was stating that it is the natural order of things for a small group to rise to the apex of a society...

Fortunately, it's also natural for humans to develop a conscience, making things like 'freedom for all' & democracy just as natural as the common trend of oligarchy, imo.

[steevo]

I think I need to clarify, I wasn't asking whats to be done about those in power, I was stating that it is the natural order of things for a small group to rise to the apex of a society, in any social group you have a dominate male or female, and all others must defer to them. Surely this is just an extension of this, and that freedom for all is impossible, only by taking initiative for yourself and those immediately around you can you rise to their level.

So if YOU was the alpha male, and I was not, then I would have to fight you if I wanted something that YOU also wanted ? Why would you not want to share with your fellow man ? A soul-less being would need to collect the most material possessions. I dont believe that being a SUPPOSED "alpha male" would automatically mean that they are a soul-less (non-spiritual) being. And just because SOME SUPPOSED "alpha males" have had the minds corrupted, it doesnt mean that we have to live under their control. Anyway, in what way exactly would you say that the current "rulers" of our world are "alpha males" eustacekidd ?

[palehorse]

if those who are in power will always stay in power how come humanity moved from a matriarchal to a patriarchal society?

[eustacekidd]

So if YOU was the alpha male, and I was not, then I would have to fight you if I wanted something that YOU also wanted ? Why would you not want to share with your fellow man ? A soul-less being would need to collect the most material possessions. I dont believe that being a SUPPOSED "alpha male" would automatically mean that they are a soul-less (non-spiritual) being. And just because SOME SUPPOSED "alpha males" have had the minds corrupted, it doesnt mean that we have to live under their control. Anyway, in what way exactly would you say that the current "rulers" of our world "alpha males" eustacekidd ?

How do you see society? How do people achieve power then if not in this way?

[steevo]

How do you see society? How do people achieve power then if not in this way?

Maybe they had some esoteric knowledge. Knowledge = Power. Power corrupts, and ABSOLUTE power corrupts ABSOLUTELY.
If we all had that esoteric knowledge freely available, do you think that they would be in power now ?

In what way do YOU think they were "alpha males" ? (eg. Physically strong ?)

[eustacekidd]

Maybe they had some esoteric knowledge. Knowledge = Power. Power corrupts, and ABSOLUTE power corrupts ABSOLUTELY.
If we all had that esoteric knowledge freely available, do you think that they would be in power now ?

In what way do YOU think they were "alpha males" ? (eg. Physically strong ?)

No, nothing to do with physicality, they used other means of force to pull their way upwards. They are dominant, but not because of the size of their muscles, this is the evolution of our society made possible by the complexity of our psyche, using peoples hopes/dreams/fears/weakness to ascend rather than beating our way to the top as our ancestors did. A new type of Alpha male/female lead today, who's dominant will engineers their competitors demise rather than outright conflict.

[steevo]

No, nothing to do with physicality, they used other means of force to pull their way upwards. They are dominant, but not because of the size of their muscles, this is the evolution of our society made possible by the complexity of our psyche, using peoples hopes/dreams/fears/weakness to ascend rather than beating our way to the top as our ancestors did. A new type of Alpha male/female lead today, who's dominant will engineers their competitors demise rather than outright conflict.

Yes they DO work that way, I agree. So you could say that the only way that they will stay in "power" is through our ignorance (ie lack of knowledge), and their APPARENT lack of conscience (psychopaths), and absence of the ability to love. They are empty vessels (I am talking about the Elite here). The ones lower down the pyramid are just "useful idiots".

[white knight]

Until you realise what you are up against you will be unable to do anything about it. And what can you do about it? Really, can you or a group or a nation or a race fight a principle? How can survival of the fittest, the natural order of things, be reversed? Or even slowed down?

There is absolutely nothing we have to do about anything.

You need to understand that your reality is a manipulation, you and I will never be truly free until we have shed our 3D bodies and left this conjured up form of duality.

[eustacekidd]

There is absolutely nothing we have to do about anything.

You need to understand that your reality is a manipulation, you and I will never be truly free until we have shed our 3D bodies and left this conjured up form of duality.

But I like my body!

[kappy0405]

ok, assuming that it is "natural" for a majority of the population to succumb to what is essentially an elite dictatorship - so what... What are you suggesting? That we allow it to continue? I guess I just don't see the point of the thread then.. :confused:

[eustacekidd]

ok, assuming that it is "natural" for a majority of the population to succumb to what is essentially an elite dictatorship - so what... What are you suggesting? That we allow it to continue? I guess I just don't see the point of the thread then.. :confused:

Nope, that's not what I was saying at all.

[gonzo75]

The whole idea of 'alpha males' is bullshit. can anyone really see barrack or gordon or sarkozy etc standing their ground and physically defending 'their' countries, let alone the citizens? no chance!! just like every other chest thumping 'alpha male' i've ever met, they're the first ones legging it up the street if anything ever goes off!!
the whole of this 'alpha' system is a load of shit, take the lion for examle: people call them the 'kings of the jungle'. They dont even live in jungles,they live on the plains. They are total pussies,literally!! they leave there wives to hunt (only animals a LOT smaller than themselves usually), they bail on their families at the first sign of trouble, and are totally lazy!! its because WE have given them status, human status, as these majestic warriors that they blatantly are not. Pound for pound the badger is actually THE toughest creature on earth, NO animal on land will f**ck with them, not even bears.
And look how civilised badgers are, there communities are totally based on taking care of each other.
Almost all the systems of thought we are taught to beleive are based on unfounded bullshit, allowing the cowards to lead us and the truly strong to be all but forgotten. The question is : what is strength?

[kappy0405]

Nope, that's not what I was saying at all.

sorry, I wasn't accusing, just asking..

What are you implying then?

okay, it's natural.. now what?

[eustacekidd]

The whole idea of 'alpha males' is bullshit. can anyone really see barrack or gordon or sarkozy etc standing their ground and physically defending 'their' countries, let alone the citizens? no chance!! just like every other chest thumping 'alpha male' i've ever met, they're the first ones legging it up the street if anything ever goes off!!
the whole of this 'alpha' system is a load of shit, take the lion for examle: people call them the 'kings of the jungle'. They dont even live in jungles,they live on the plains. They are total pussies,literally!! they leave there wives to hunt (only animals a LOT smaller than themselves usually), they bail on their families at the first sign of trouble, and are totally lazy!! its because WE have given them status, human status, as these majestic warriors that they blatantly are not. Pound for pound the badger is actually THE toughest creature on earth, NO animal on land will f**ck with them, not even bears.
And look how civilised badgers are, there communities are totally based on taking care of each other.
Almost all the systems of thought we are taught to beleive are based on unfounded bullshit, allowing the cowards to lead us and the truly strong to be all but forgotten. The question is : what is strength?

I dunno, I'd rather deal with a badger than a lion.

[gonzo75]

I dunno, I'd rather deal with a badger than a lion.

All depends on your approach. lions will only really attack the more submissive species. But having said that i wouldnt exactly go waltzing through a lions den expecting to get off lightly!!
I was just trying to illustrate how the idea of 'fittest' or 'toughest' has been subverted to apply to those creatures in life who prey on the weak.

[branjo]

I don't mind being ruled, I just have a problem with it not being an 'intelligent' rule and just not nepotism.

Being born into power I think is where the problems start, an idiot can be born into power and we have a ton of evidence on this, cough cough Bush....lol.

For example the people in charge of something like agriculture, probably couldn't plant runner beans or tend to a house plant successfully. The people that are in charge of something like NASA (not the scientists) probably have no interest in the science involved, more like they are interested in controlling the flow of information that is made available to the public through that knowledge.

This structure filters down to us in the proper way, for example your not going to take french lessons from someone who cannot speak french, yet the tip top of the educational system that controls the curriculum are not experts on every subject within it, if you get my drift.

Its experts that should be controlling society, but unfortunately "experts" are still answering to those in power that were simply born into power and not experts on the very things they govern.

Being an expert on how to control people is sooner or later going to give problems. People are now starting to see that those in power only know how to stay in power and have little to no knowledge of what they are controlling. They just create a hierarchy that the 'experts' themselves are answerable to.

[burial]

There will always be an elite ruling class.

Even if we somehow get lucky and bring down the fuckers runing the world today some other fuckers would eventually take over and it would be the same shit all over again....possibly worse...

I dont know about any of you, but I know Im no ruler and would never be in charge.

[makemyday]

People feel the need to be ruled or dominated, since it's in our genes. Unless we manage to fulfill our own dreams not to be fearful, weak, ignorant and egoistic, we will be free. ONLY IF.

[kappy0405]

There will always be an elite ruling class.

Even if we somehow get lucky and bring down the fuckers runing the world today some other fuckers would eventually take over and it would be the same shit all over again....possibly worse...

I dont know about any of you, but I know Im no ruler and would never be in charge.

That's why we need to replace the system with direct Democracy.. If everyone has an equal say, they'll likely want to keep it. First, we need a majority of the population to put their I-Pods down and start caring..

People feel the need to be ruled or dominated, since it's in our genes.

in our genes!? :confused:

[makemyday]

in our genes!? :confused:

Yes. Genetics involve every part of our lives - it is the base of our vitality, and IT NEVER CAN BE EXCLUDED, when talking about something terrible about reality. We created this reality too. Our psychology of body and mind is the greatest factor, that involves the way we live both individually and socially.

Those who created a human male and female, must have known VASTLY more than we could ever imagine. And no one said that these creators can't be malevolent. They were thinking A LOT FURTHER. The hereditability of things, psychological reactions, instincts etc. are included in our DNA. That's why since the creation of first man and woman, these two, and all the rest of their offsprings, have been evolving and have been going exactly the same path of sins and weaknesses .. until today. We have a Troyan Horse inside, and you can't escape it so easily.

An typical human (more women) are simply more scared of knowing oneselves. So do men too, hence men still are "the stronger sex" (which actually mean that men have WILL AND POWER gameplay inside. So in order to gain power and will, of course one must feel the ground. Get knowledge. Knowledge knowledge knowledge. "There is no knowledge, that is not power". Get to know yourself deeper than someone could have imagined. Also get to know others, deeper. And if it seems you have pushed it all the way and you stop - it is a constant failure. Always go further, the more you know, the more you gain power over something/someone. But what you MUST NOT FORGET, to KNOW YOURSELF (it's a deep deep shit, believe me, but one who doesn't risk, also doesn't drink the champagne).

Your next question would be how do we change our DNA, if it's possible. And yes, I think's it's possible. I am thinking of possible reality impact of Physics, Psychology, Philosophy, Sacred MAthematics, but won't go into details this time.


All the answers are indeed in ourselves, and it is our naive mistake how we ignore it.

Now take your time, and think about yourself. Change.

[branjo]

Ah but there is a new understanding of genetics that has to be considered, and another side to the male/female thing you also posted about, I am not contradicting what you are saying I would just like to add to it if I may.

Dr Bruce Lipton has for me anyway revolutionized the understanding of DNA for me, his videos are well worth watching on the subject.

Basically his stance is,
Genetics are not the predetermined rules you and I live and exist by. They are that which allow you to change into whatever your environment dictates, not the other way around. Change doesn't start within, it finishes from within. Sounds contrary I know, but our surroundings both physical and spiritual determine who and what we are.

We turn out like our parents because we inherit the environment of our parents, even if we move far away from the physical environment we take the spiritual environment with us. Example, we feel most comfortable eating the foods our parents made for us. We remember how the environment was when we ate these foods and we recreate this environment for our own kids. It could obviously directly impact our health if those foods were not the most healthiest of kinds of course. But 'food' as my example can mean other things too, like Religion, Education, Racial intolerance, optimism or pessimism, Skills such as Gardening or wood or metal craft etc etc.

Lipton also basically states that 'genetic' family diseases are not hereditary they are environmental in the same way. Constantly hearing how Aunt Betty died of breast cancer is mentally preparing cancer in the cells of the breast of other family members. They are attributing the mental environment to a future event and when this happens, DNA and family medical history is sited as the cause. Not always of course, but its worth talking about if it means we can actually stop the repetitive cycles. And as you said, knowledge is power and 'denial' is our first hurdle to any and all knowledge. To eventually know everything we have to admit we don't know everything kind of thing.

When we change our environment either within or without we are allowing our DNA to change accordingly. Everything is subject to its environment first and foremost. If we are to evolve we need to make physical and spiritual changes that reflect the change we would like to see in our selves. Its been said a thousand times and we all recognize "be the change you want to see" line, but few take time to do that or even to fathom what that means (myself included).

Surrounding yourself with caring people will without a doubt, make you more caring. Surrounding yourself with selfish people will make you selfish. Its not rocket science its common sense really and not something everyone doesn't already know to one degree or another.

Our DNA is simply a toolbox within every cell that reshapes them independently based on the environmental changes. A healthy mind scientifically does actually mean a healthy body. Just like the line from the Matrix, "The body cannot live without the mind". Well the body will not repair itself if the mind truly doesn't believe it can be repaired either. We posses all bacteria from every disease known to man already within our bodies. When the body is in balance within its own environment then the body is healthy. When we run out and get vaccines for certain viruses or diseases then we are consciously attacking those dormant viruses or bacterias within out own body and just like people (in a fractal sense) when they become under attack, they congregate and get stronger and eventually cause imbalance and sickness.

Whatever you honestly believe fully in your mind is exactly what the DNA will do. Trouble is, the subconscious mind is far more in control than the conscious mind. Which is why I firmly believe is the reason why the danger of subliminal programing far outweighs that of obvious visible propaganda.

Like telling the child NOT to go poking around at the wires at back of the TV is subliminally telling them TO poke around the wires at the back of the TV. I think a moderate of reverse psychology has to be applied to even our selves in which to control an outcome. How we train our subconscious mind through its inferior conscious mind is probably the dilemma that has had us by the short and curlies from the dawn of man.

Anyway I would suggest watching Lipton's presentations as I could never really do it justice, the man is a bonafide genius impo.

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Another thing I would like to add about the Male/Female part of your last post is that 'we' Men have already proven that we are not the stronger sex particularly because what we do or have done, never lasts. A patriarchal society like the one we are all basically part of is a series of destructive cycles with basically no direction of evolution, its positively stagnating physically and spiritually.

If there is any hope for the world its for Women to grow a pair (metaphorically speaking lol) because the bond between women far out weighs the bond between Men. Its men that lead governments and its men that lead religions too and women have always been trodden on by both.

The problem with things like Woman's lib and feminism from my own perspective is that they actually want what men have, not to correct what men do. This as we have heard from people like Aaron Russo is why the Rockefeller's promoted and pushed for the women to get the vote and be allowed to enter into "the mans" world. It wasn't to give equality to the Male/Female of the species but actually to steer both to the Male dominated direction. Women were told "why shouldn't you have what men have?", "why shouldn't you do what men do?" Instead of saying "Why would you do what men do" and "why do you want what men have?".

All women of the planet are connected in a way that we men are not. This is why we men need to spiritually and physically step down and let the female aspect take control. Not just some woman who is besotted by the riches and power of the male dominated world, like Margaret Thatcher or Hilary Clinton. They may as well have been men for the ultimate good they did women, which is a few token gestures at best. Once a woman enters politics or religion she basically gives up her female direction and intuition and becomes male orientated.

Women should gather together globally and say enough is enough. The only thing that will get the contradictions out of the male mind, is direct female influence. Its Men who should be taking directions from Women, yes we men have the drive to get things done, but unless we have the female direction then sustainability and longevity get completely overlooked. Then we end up with what we have right now, a civilization that constantly rises and falls time after time due to male orientated things such as greed and wars, that ultimately point to male orientated system of power.

Maybe when the universal clock resets our civilization next (2012, spiritual or biblical etc) maybe we will let nature take its course next time instead of steering it, who knows.

[kappy0405]

People feel the need to be ruled or dominated, since it's in our genes.in our genes!? :confused:Yes. Genetics involve every part of our lives. . . . . . . .
well, the genetic thing is way out of my league, so I won't even attempt to discuss it. :D

but what about the ptb's need to dominate and rule? Where does that come from? Surely it's also from our genes then - doesn't it sort of cancel out (or keep in check) the need to BE dominated and ruled? What about our conscience? Genes??

Ultimately, the genes are unimportant. It comes down to what choices we make - which comes back to knowledge, which you emphasized..

Direct democracy and complete freedom doesn't seem to be any less natural than the oligarchy we live in. The whole 'its natural' argument doesn't seem to be a strong one, imho..

[ignoranto_bliss]

There will always be an elite ruling class.

Even if we somehow get lucky and bring down the fuckers runing the world today some other fuckers would eventually take over and it would be the same shit all over again....possibly worse...

I dont know about any of you, but I know Im no ruler and would never be in charge.

If you burial would beat the system you would become burialism . And then i would come and beat you no better conspire with you cause more fun . And humanity would live happily ever after in ignorantism therefore blissism :)

[makemyday]

Ultimately, the genes are unimportant. It comes down to what choices we make - which comes back to knowledge, which you emphasized..

Direct democracy and complete freedom doesn't seem to be any less natural than the oligarchy we live in. The whole 'its natural' argument doesn't seem to be a strong one, imho..

How is it so, that you think I over emphasized the importance of knowledge? Just look - those who dominate and have power over us, have a plan. Way beyond our perception so far. They have power, because they know how to use what they know. And they know much much more than us. Don't be fooled, because some of them may just be acting like a fools and smacking around, although they have power over us, not to mention ones behind these fools, the ones that are true leaders of this madden circus... It is our ignorance, that doesn't let us to make the first step to freedom.

But yes, some choices are truly made by Us, but, some of decisions come from the backstage, the psychological events inside, which are can be controlled only with an ultimately strong will, IMO. :rolleyes:

[treehugger]

Whatever you honestly believe fully in your mind is exactly what the DNA will do. Trouble is, the subconscious mind is far more in control than the conscious mind. Which is why I firmly believe is the reason why the danger of subliminal programing far outweighs that of obvious visible propaganda.

Like telling the child NOT to go poking around at the wires at back of the TV is subliminally telling them TO poke around the wires at the back of the TV. I think a moderate of reverse psychology has to be applied to even our selves in which to control an outcome. How we train our subconscious mind through its inferior conscious mind is probably the dilemma that has had us by the short and curlies from the dawn of man.

Anyway I would suggest watching Lipton's presentations as I could never really do it justice, the man is a bonafide genius impo.

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Another thing I would like to add about the Male/Female part of your last post is that 'we' Men have already proven that we are not the stronger sex particularly because what we do or have done, never lasts. A patriarchal society like the one we are all basically part of is a series of destructive cycles with basically no direction of evolution, its positively stagnating physically and spiritually.

If there is any hope for the world its for Women to grow a pair (metaphorically speaking lol) because the bond between women far out weighs the bond between Men. Its men that lead governments and its men that lead religions too and women have always been trodden on by both.

The problem with things like Woman's lib and feminism from my own perspective is that they actually want what men have, not to correct what men do. This as we have heard from people like Aaron Russo is why the Rockefeller's promoted and pushed for the women to get the vote and be allowed to enter into "the mans" world. It wasn't to give equality to the Male/Female of the species but actually to steer both to the Male dominated direction. Women were told "why shouldn't you have what men have?", "why shouldn't you do what men do?" Instead of saying "Why would you do what men do" and "why do you want what men have?".

All women of the planet are connected in a way that we men are not. This is why we men need to spiritually and physically step down and let the female aspect take control. Not just some woman who is besotted by the riches and power of the male dominated world, like Margaret Thatcher or Hilary Clinton. They may as well have been men for the ultimate good they did women, which is a few token gestures at best. Once a woman enters politics or religion she basically gives up her female direction and intuition and becomes male orientated.

Women should gather together globally and say enough is enough. The only thing that will get the contradictions out of the male mind, is direct female influence. Its Men who should be taking directions from Women, yes we men have the drive to get things done, but unless we have the female direction then sustainability and longevity get completely overlooked. Then we end up with what we have right now, a civilization that constantly rises and falls time after time due to male orientated things such as greed and wars, that ultimately point to male orientated system of power.

Maybe when the universal clock resets our civilization next (2012, spiritual or biblical etc) maybe we will let nature take its course next time instead of steering it, who knows.

So true. When we are told that genetics are controlling our actions as opposed to our mind controlling our genetics, it becomes a belief that therefore controls. It's as though we are gods with the power to do anything, and by being told this falsehood we use our power to manifest powerlessness into reality.

I also agree with what you said about the male/female thing, I think the fact that most societys are male dominated was a mistake, an intentional mistake that the elite set up knowing full well the power of the sacred feminin. That is the basis behind their plans to dehumanize woman. It is the same people, the same bloodlines most likely, that have been doing this since the time of King Arthur. I believe the glorifying of King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table was the beginning of this male domination thing. Well who was working behind the scenes to take down the Knights of the Round Table? The female sorceress Morgan le Fay. See the connection of past and future, the foreshadowing of the legend?

[kappy0405]

How is it so, that you think I over emphasized the importance of knowledge?

what!? I didn't say you over emphasized it.. I liked that you emphasized it. I think you misread what I wrote. ;)

Just look - those who dominate and have power over us, have a plan. Way beyond our perception so far. They have power, because they know how to use what they know. And they know much much more than us. Don't be fooled, because some of them may just be acting like a fools and smacking around, although they have power over us, not to mention ones behind these fools, the ones that are true leaders of this madden circus... It is our ignorance, that doesn't let us to make the first step to freedom.

But yes, some choices are truly made by Us, but, some of decisions come from the backstage, the psychological events inside, which are can be controlled only with an ultimately strong will, IMO. :rolleyes:

dunno why you're rolling your eyes - you just misread my post. I don't disagree with you on any of that.. Actually, it's what I've been saying throughout the thread.. :D

[olas]

...but if you wanna be the new Caesar don´t ask me how because i will say FU*K OFF.
Otherwise,i would say "buy a bicicle and go for a ride at a nice place."


Throughout history there have always been people with more control than others, do these people deserve this power? Probably. Remember these people actually made a choice to take control of their lives and either took advantage of situations or created situations to take advantage of. These people did not sleep in, didn’t sit on the sofa watching tv or by the computer for hours and hours. These people bent the world to their will, and once in control the made sure they would stay there. Their offspring, born in to positions of power? Hardly, there are so many instances of children born to a dynasty; political, business, entertainment etc. and squandering what was put before them. No, the people in charge are the fittest, bred to be the fittest, brought up to be the fittest, taught to survive by eating the weak, sounds pretty natural to me.

Until you realise what you are up against you will be unable to do anything about it. And what can you do about it? Really, can you or a group or a nation or a race fight a principle? How can survival of the fittest, the natural order of things, be reversed? Or even slowed down?

[aronia]

Throughout history there have always been people with more control than others, do these people deserve this power? Probably. Remember these people actually made a choice to take control of their lives and either took advantage of situations or created situations to take advantage of. These people did not sleep in, didn’t sit on the sofa watching tv or by the computer for hours and hours. These people bent the world to their will, and once in control the made sure they would stay there. Their offspring, born in to positions of power? Hardly, there are so many instances of children born to a dynasty; political, business, entertainment etc. and squandering what was put before them. No, the people in charge are the fittest, bred to be the fittest, brought up to be the fittest, taught to survive by eating the weak, sounds pretty natural to me.

Until you realise what you are up against you will be unable to do anything about it. And what can you do about it? Really, can you or a group or a nation or a race fight a principle? How can survival of the fittest, the natural order of things, be reversed? Or even slowed down?

I agree with the OB...

There is noway we in hell we can ever removed the power of the elite - okay maybe in the next 1000 or 2000 years if enough people are waking up...

A critical mass of 30-35% is needed if we ever shall have a hope of getting our freedom back...

Conspiracy talk is need to be commen everywhere in every country in the world...

In Thailand you get 15 years in prison to talk negative about the King or the Royal familie in general...


Posted by Aronia on the 18-08-2009

Humanity wakeup people what`s the point?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78032

I have trying to wakeup people for almost 25-26 years since i was 14-15 years old. You can wake them up but you lying if tell them we going to beat the nwo. They have almost completed a +3000 years old dream of a new world order. We might have a chance in another 1000 or 2000 years, when humanity has wakeup because at the moment almost everybody sleep deeply.

You can adjust your lifestyle to anti nwo lifestyle, as much as possible. But because there agenda is so open and they control almost everything it`s not possible to do 100%.

The further i get with my research, the more dangerous they seem to be, i now understand why people stop with the zionists and Jacob rothschild. "Self Protection"

Isn't it bloddy obvious?

[ignoranto_bliss]

I agree with the OB...

There is noway we in hell we can ever removed the power of the elite - okay maybe in the next 1000 or 2000 years if enough people are waking up...

A critical mass of 30-35% is needed if we ever shall have a hope of getting our freedom back...

Conspiracy talk is need to be commen everywhere in every country in the world...

In Thailand you get 15 years in prison to talk negative about the King or the Royal familie in general...

Agreed . Though conspiracy talk everywhere may still be not enough and it would be not enough for sure . In Russian prisons the highest possible honor was to earn tattoos of stars on your knees which meant - bows to no authority . I think that would be needed .