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lydia78
20-09-2007, 05:24 PM
Did anyone check this out in monday's independent?

It is the death of history

Special investigation by Robert Fisk
Published: 17 September 2007

2,000-year-old Sumerian cities torn apart and plundered by robbers. The very walls of the mighty Ur of the Chaldees cracking under the strain of massive troop movements, the privatisation of looting as landlords buy up the remaining sites of ancient Mesopotamia to strip them of their artefacts and wealth. The near total destruction of Iraq's historic past – the very cradle of human civilisation – has emerged as one of the most shameful symbols of our disastrous occupation.

Evidence amassed by archaeologists shows that even those Iraqis who trained as archaeological workers in Saddam Hussein's regime are now using their knowledge to join the looters in digging through the ancient cities, destroying thousands of priceless jars, bottles and other artefacts in their search for gold and other treasures.

In the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, armies of looters moved in on the desert cities of southern Iraq and at least 13 Iraqi museums were plundered. Today, almost every archaeological site in southern Iraq is under the control of looters.

In a long and devastating appraisal to be published in December, Lebanese archaeologist Joanne Farchakh says that armies of looters have not spared "one metre of these Sumerian capitals that have been buried under the sand for thousands of years.

"They systematically destroyed the remains of this civilisation in their tireless search for sellable artefacts: ancient cities, covering an estimated surface area of 20 square kilometres, which – if properly excavated – could have provided extensive new information concerning the development of the human race.

"Humankind is losing its past for a cuneiform tablet or a sculpture or piece of jewellery that the dealer buys and pays for in cash in a country devastated by war. Humankind is losing its history for the pleasure of private collectors living safely in their luxurious houses and ordering specific objects for their collection."

Ms Farchakh, who helped with the original investigation into stolen treasures from the Baghdad Archaeological Museum in the immediate aftermath of the invasion of Iraq, says Iraq may soon end up with no history.

"There are 10,000 archaeological sites in the country. In the Nassariyah area alone, there are about 840 Sumerian sites; they have all been systematically looted. Even when Alexander the Great destroyed a city, he would always build another. But now the robbers are destroying everything because they are going down to bedrock. What's new is that the looters are becoming more and more organised with, apparently, lots of money"

"Quite apart from this, military operations are damaging these sites forever. There's been a US base in Ur for five years and the walls are cracking because of the weight of military vehicles. It's like putting an archaeological site under a continuous earthquake."

Of all the ancient cities of present-day Iraq, Ur is regarded as the most important in the history of man-kind. Mentioned in the Old Testament – and believed by many to be the home of the Prophet Abraham – it also features in the works of Arab historians and geographers where its name is Qamirnah, The City of the Moon. (syn777!!??)

Founded in about 4,000 BC, its Sumerian people established the principles of irrigation, developed agriculture and metal-working. Fifteen hundred years later – in what has become known as "the age of the deluge" – Ur produced some of the first examples of writing, seal inscriptions and construction. In neighbouring Larsa, baked clay bricks were used as money orders – the world's first cheques – the depth of finger indentations in the clay marking the amount of money to be transferred. The royal tombs of Ur contained jewellery, daggers, gold, azurite cylindrical seals and sometimes the remains of slaves.

US officers have repeatedly said a large American base built at Babylon was to protect the site but Iraqi archaeologist Zainab Bah-rani, a professor of art history and archaeology at Columbia University, says this "beggars belief". In an analysis of the city, she says: "The damage done to Babylon is both extensive and irreparable, and even if US forces had wanted to protect it, placing guards round the site would have been far more sensible than bulldozing it and setting up the largest coalition military headquarters in the region."

Air strikes in 2003 left historical monuments undamaged, but Professor Bahrani, says: "The occupation has resulted in a tremendous destruction of history well beyond the museums and libraries looted and destroyed at the fall of Baghdad. At least seven historical sites have been used in this way by US and coalition forces since April 2003, one of them being the historical heart of Samarra, where the Askari shrine built by Nasr al Din Shah was bombed in 2006."

The use of heritage sites as military bases is a breach of the Hague Convention and Protocol of 1954 (chapter 1, article 5) which covers periods of occupation; although the US did not ratify the Convention, Italy, Poland, Australia and Holland, all of whom sent forces to Iraq, are contracting parties.

Ms Farchakh notes that as religious parties gain influence in all the Iraqi pro-vinces, archaeological sites are also falling under their control. She tells of Abdulamir Hamdani, the director of antiquities for Di Qar province in the south who desperately – but vainly – tried to prevent the destruction of the buried cities during the occupation. Dr Hamdani himself wrote that he can do little to prevent "the disaster we are all witnessing and observing".

In 2006, he says: "We recruited 200 police officers because we were trying to stop the looting by patrolling the sites as often as possible. Our equipment was not enough for this mission because we only had eight cars, some guns and other weapons and a few radio transmitters for the entire province where 800 archaeological sites have been inventoried.

"Of course, this is not enough but we were trying to establish some order until money restrictions within the government meant that we could no longer pay for the fuel to patrol the sites. So we ended up in our offices trying to fight the looting, but that was also before the religious parties took over southern Iraq."

Last year, Dr Hamdani's antiquities department received notice from the local authorities, approving the creation of mud-brick factories in areas surrounding Sumerian archaeological sites. But it quickly became apparent that the factory owners intended to buy the land from the Iraqi government because it covered several Sumerian capitals and other archaeological sites. The new landlord would "dig" the archaeological site, dissolve the "old mud brick" to form the new one for the market and sell the unearthed finds to antiquity traders.

Dr Hamdani bravely refused to sign the dossier. Ms Farchakh says: "His rejection had rapid consequences. The religious parties controlling Nassariyah sent the police to see him with orders to jail him on corruption charges. He was imprisoned for three months, awaiting trial. The State Board of Antiquities and Heritage defended him during his trial, as did his powerful tribe. He was released and regained his position. The mud-brick factories are 'frozen projects', but reports have surfaced of a similar strategy being employed in other cities and in nearby archaeological sites such as the Aqarakouf Ziggarat near Baghdad.

For how long can Iraqi archaeologists maintain order? This is a question only Iraqi politicians affiliated to the different religious parties can answer, since they approve these projects."

Police efforts to break the power of the looters, now with a well-organised support structure helped by tribal leaders, have proved lethal. In 2005, the Iraqi customs arrested – with the help of Western troops – several antiquities dealers in the town of Al Fajr, near Nasseriyah. They seized hundreds of artefacts and decided to take them to the museum in Baghdad. It was a fatal mistake.

The convoy was stopped a few miles from Baghdad, eight of the customs agents were murdered, and their bodies burnt and left to rot in the desert. The artefacts disappeared. "It was a clear message from the antiquities dealers to the world," Ms Farchakh says.

The legions of antiquities looters work within a smooth mass-smuggling organisation. Trucks, cars, planes and boats take Iraq's historical plunder to Europe, the US, to the United Arab Emirates and to Japan. The archaeologists say an ever-growing number of internet websites offer Mesopotamian artefacts, objects anywhere up to 7,000 years old.

The farmers of southern Iraq are now professional looters, knowing how to outline the walls of buried buildings and able to break directly into rooms and tombs. The archaeologists' report says: "They have been trained in how to rob the world of its past and they have been making significant profit from it. They know the value of each object and it is difficult to see why they would stop looting."

After the 1991 Gulf War, archaeologists hired the previous looters as workers and promised them government salaries. This system worked as long as the archaeologists remained on the sites, but it was one of the main reasons for the later destruction; people now knew how to excavate and what they could find.

Ms Farchakh adds: "The longer Iraq finds itself in a state of war, the more the cradle of civilisation is threatened. It may not even last for our grandchildren to learn from."


A land with fields of ancient pottery
By Joanne Farchakh, archaeologist

Iraq's rural societies are very different to our own. Their concept of ancient civilisations and heritage does not match the standards set by our own scholars. History is limited to the stories and glories of your direct ancestors and your tribe. So for them, the "cradle of civilisation" is nothing more than desert land with "fields" of pottery that they have the right to take advantage of because, after all, they are the lords of the land and, as a result, the owners of its possessions. In the same way, if they had been able, these people would not have hesitated to take control of the oil fields, because this is "their land". Because life in the desert is hard and because they have been "forgotten" by all the governments, their "revenge" for this reality is to monitor, and take, every single money-making opportunity. A cylinder seal, a sculpture or a cuneiform tablet earns $50 (£25) and that's half the monthly salary of an average government employee in Iraq. The looters have been told by the traders that if an object is worth anything at all, it must have an inscription on it. In Iraq, the farmers consider their "looting" activities to be part of a normal working day.

http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2970762.ece

synergy777
20-09-2007, 05:29 PM
Of all the ancient cities of present-day Iraq, Ur is regarded as the most important in the history of man-kind. Mentioned in the Old Testament – and believed by many to be the home of the Prophet Abraham – it also features in the works of Arab historians and geographers where its name is Qamirnah, The City of the Moon. (syn777!!??)

abraham/sarah = brahma/sarawasti

At least seven historical sites have been used in this way by US and coalition forces since April 2003, one of them being the historical heart of Samarra, where the Askari shrine built by Nasr al Din Shah was bombed in 2006."



this is the legendary place of the hidden mahidi/teacher. he is the great teacher who is suppose to arrive about now and help yashuah/issa=merlin/arthur=gandalf/aragon combo.

the plot thickens

lydia78
20-09-2007, 05:30 PM
No history
September 18, 2007

If most of us were to mentally calculate the cost of the war in Iraq, we naturally would measure it in terms of lives lost, injuries suffered, people displaced and dollars spent (or wasted). But there's a largely unhidden cost that may be incalculable and beyond repair.

"The near total destruction of Iraq's historic past – the very cradle of human civilization – has emerged as one of the most shameful symbols of our disastrous occupation," Robert Fisk wrote in yesterday's edition of The Independent, a London-based newspaper.

But Fisk's reporting makes it's clear that, tragically, much of the destruction has been at the hands of the Iraqis themselves, although American and coalition forces have contributed to the problem and created the conditions that have allowed Iraqi looters to wreak their shameful havoc.

Fisk quotes extensively from a "long and devastating" report (it will be published in December) by a Lebanese archaeologist, Joanne Farchakh. Although her report makes it clear that Iraqis themselves are guilty of what in other cultures would be regarded as gross disrespect to their own heritage, the invading military forces are also accused of having inflicted tremendous damage on Iraq's national treasures.

"There's been a U.S. base in Ur for five years and the walls are cracking because of the weight of military vehicles," Farchakh observes. "It's like putting an archaeological site under a continuous earthquake."

Perhaps most of us haven't heard of Ur, but "of all the ancient cities of present-day Iraq, Ur is regarded as the most important in the history of mankind," Farchakh said, adding that it is mentioned in the Old Testament "and (is) believed by many to be the home of the Prophet Abraham." It also was the home to "the works of Arab historians and geographers where its name is Qamirnah, The City of the Moon."

Fisk's report also quotes archaeologist Zainab Bah-rani, a professor of art history and archaeology at Columbia University, who told him that while American air strikes in 2003 left historical monuments unscathed, "the occupation has resulted in a tremendous destruction of history well beyond the museums and libraries looted and destroyed at the fall of Baghdad."

After the 1991 Gulf War, Fisk reported, "armies of looters moved in on the desert cities of southern Iraq and at least 13 Iraqi museums were plundered. Today, almost every archaeological site in southern Iraq is under the control of looters."

Farchakh's report states that looters have not spared "one meter of these Sumerian capitals that have been buried under the sand for thousands of years." The looters "systematically destroyed the remains of this civilization in their tireless search for sellable artifacts: ancient cities, covering an estimated surface area of 20 square kilometers, which – if properly excavated – could have provided extensive new information concerning the development of the human race."

One of the most compelling paragraphs in her appraisal states that: "Even when Alexander the Great destroyed a city, he would always build another … but now the robbers are destroying everything because they are going down to the bedrock. What's new is that the looters are becoming more organized with, apparently, lots of money."

Her conclusion? "Iraq may soon end up with no history."

Because Iraqi's civilization is based on tribal loyalties, there's little sense of the national pride and culture that western nations take for granted. Therefore there's little respect for the historical importance of these treasures. And that's also why it may be impossible to form a national unity government in Baghdad.

link;
http://www.archaeologynews.org/link.asp?ID=230505&Title=No%20history

lydia78
20-09-2007, 05:35 PM
abraham/sarah = brahma/sarawasti



this is the legendary place of the hidden mahidi/teacher. he is the great teacher who is suppose to arrive about now and help yashuah/issa=merlin/arthur=gandalf/aragon combo.

the plot thickens


we def need a gandalf/aragon combo!lol
what about the city of the moon? you got something
about that on one of your threads syn?

synergy777
20-09-2007, 05:43 PM
might have been on the krishna hill of tara thread. i have wrapped that one up i think. its seems to be pretty much correct/accurate.

i was reading about ogham, the precursor to gaelic, and its from sumeria/persia. so it gives a pretty old link.

ur/iraq was where abraham/descendants lived.

Ur Kaśdim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ur Kaśdim or Ur of the Chaldees (אור כשדים) is the town in the Hebrew Bible and related literature where Abraham was said to have been born. The traditional site of Abraham's birth is in the vicinity of Edessa although Ur Kaśdim has been popularly identified since 1927 by Sir Charles Woolley with the Sumerian city of Ur, in southern Mesopotamia, which was under the rule of the Chaldeans — although Josephus, Islamic tradition, and Jewish authorities like Maimonides all concur that Ur Kaśdim was in Northern Mesopotamia — now southeastern Turkey (identified with Urartu, Urfa, and Kutha respectively).

maybe the name ur was used as colony city title, as when people migrate they name places from their origins, eg english names in america like boston, islip. as there was migration from persia/iraq to anatolia/turkey

lumukanda
20-09-2007, 05:44 PM
i actually get a mixture of deep sadness and anger when i read things like this.

lydia78
20-09-2007, 05:51 PM
i actually get a mixture of deep sadness and anger when i read things like this.

Yes I agree with you there

cultural genocide is beyond sense or reason

except from the motives who allow it to continue

who knows what those ancient cities held for us

in the way of artifacts/knowledge

it is sickening!!!:mad:

lumukanda
20-09-2007, 05:54 PM
well it's half human greed, and then there's always the hiding any new truths that may come out of any site, i'll take a bet there are more than a few 'black ops' type pillagers involved there, didn't the US military raid the musuems shortly after the invasion?

synergy777
20-09-2007, 06:02 PM
there the babylon/iraq connection. after invasion, the us military took many anceint artefacts from the vaults of babylon/iraq. there were rumours of the fallen/biblical stuff. the biblical city of babylon was in iraq.

lydia78
20-09-2007, 06:09 PM
well it's half human greed, and then there's always the hiding any new truths that may come out of any site, i'll take a bet there are more than a few 'black ops' type pillagers involved there, didn't the US military raid the musuems shortly after the invasion?

yeah I think so,

heres in interesting link on what they looted, scroll down!

http://iwa.univie.ac.at/iraqarchive31.html

T. Harris, "Ancient Iraqi Cities Bear the Brunt of US Occupation," in Arab News (Saudi Arabia), July 7, 2004: "Lawlessness and instability have accelerated a process that started in the 1990s but has now reached critical levels, with dozens of archaeological sites plundered to extinction in the past year." "Gibson, who has been visiting Iraq since the 1960s, said an Istanbul conference on the destruction last month was “shocked” by aerial photographs ... Chiara Dezzi Bardeschi, an Iraq cultural expert with ... UNESCO ..., said the situation had reached a crisis point." "Babylon, ... is now a camp for 2,500 multinational troops.

The partly restored ancient city has been closed to visitors after Iraqi archaeologists found American marines had bulldozed a 100 square meter plot of land, above the buried remains of ancient homes, to create a helicopter landing-pad. 'You can see mounds of earth on both sides (of the landing pad) and I think it’s very big damage,' said Lukasz Oledzki, a resident architect employed by Polish troops now based at Babylon. 'You can see ancient pottery and bricks on both sides. I know they destroyed something from the sixth or seventh century BC.' The damage revelations have hastened the troops’ withdrawal from the site, due by the end of the year, but Gibson rejected their argument that they were protecting Babylon from looters. 'It’s like Vietnam — you have to destroy it to protect it,' the professor said. 'Having an army sit right on an archaeological site is absurd.

They should never have been allowed to do that.' He said Babylon’s problems were just a small part of a country-wide pattern of destruction accentuated by the war and fed mainly by European dealers working with middlemen in Baghdad, Amman and Kuwait. 'I’m told that the world market is depressed because there’s so much Iraqi stuff on the market,' he said." [see also The Embassy of the Polish Republic in London March 1, 2005]

mental!:eek:

snoopsnuffleopagus
20-09-2007, 06:18 PM
Ladies & Gentlemen, Cordial Felicitations:

Besides the Looting & Pillaging, I have read several 'reports' relating toaccounts of 'Esoteric Rituals' taking place in some of the ancient ruins. For Baal.
These Rituals were under American authority!

Probably on specific calender dates.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777
20-09-2007, 06:23 PM
same here snoop. giving energy to the oldest demons on earth before the opening of the seals.

snoopsnuffleopagus
20-09-2007, 06:33 PM
Cordial Felicitations:

People don't care about information, Museums & Libraries are not the most popular destinations.

People do not care about current information like the Lancet Report concerning Mortality Statistics in Iraq War.. It is freely availiable, vetted and Peer-Reviewed Science of Three top Universities. People do not care. Result: 1,000,000 Iraqis dead due to the Coalition Aggression, beginning march, 2003.

The Book of Yahweh is also known as the Book of Rivers, it begins in 'The Land Between the Rivers', and it ends, 'In the Land Between the Rivers'.

Coincidence?

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777
20-09-2007, 06:40 PM
the fertile crescent, the tigris and euphrates, the 7/5 rivers of india, the nile, the amazon, the thames, potomac.

lydia78
20-09-2007, 06:55 PM
Ladies & Gentlemen, Cordial Felicitations:

Besides the Looting & Pillaging, I have read several 'reports' relating toaccounts of 'Esoteric Rituals' taking place in some of the ancient ruins. For Baal.
These Rituals were under American authority!

Probably on specific calender dates.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus


Hey snoop:)

well they've had this guy working behind the scene

for a considerable time

who has an acquired taste for the satanic

check out the little pyramid he's playing with

332

333


Apathy is killing us..

synergy777
20-09-2007, 07:04 PM
no its a walnut whip, special edition, lol

lydia78
20-09-2007, 07:06 PM
no its a walnut whip, special edition, lol



Look at the position of the pyramid..lol

Photo must've been taken before viagra was borne!!:eek:LOL

snoopsnuffleopagus
20-09-2007, 07:08 PM
Cordial Felicitations:

WAR: Transforms Blood to Gold.

Respectfully: Snoopsnuflleopagus

synergy777
20-09-2007, 07:15 PM
i feel sorry for the kids, born into evil family like that. george bush never had a chance, his dad is the real power. you don't become head of the cia and president, then steal two elections for your son, without being seriously connected.

lydia78
20-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Cordial Felicitations:

WAR: Transforms Blood to Gold.

Respectfully: Snoopsnuflleopagus


Negative Alchemy

lydia78
20-09-2007, 07:19 PM
i feel sorry for the kids, born into evil family like that. george bush never had a chance, his dad is the real power. you don't become head of the cia and president, then steal two elections for your son, without being seriously connected.

The whole picture is totally wrong

tbh im suprised he allowed it

yeah the kids..the social engineeering they'll go through

you can only with all your heart hope

they find a way out oneday.