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transcendental stallion

19-01-2010, 09:18 PM

'Turkey no longer needs a close relationship with Israel'

By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent, and Reuters

The rift in Israeli-Turkish relations is the result of Ankara turning away from secularism and toward more radical Islam, Israel's military intelligence chief said on Tuesday.

The comments to a parliamentary committee by Maj. General Amos Yadlin reflected wider concern in Israel and followed a high profile visit to Turkey on Sunday by Defense Minister Ehud Barak that was meant to help mend the relationship after a sharp diplomatic row.

"Turkey no longer needs a close relationship with Israel," a parliamentary official quoted Yadlin as telling the foreign affairs committee of the Knesset.

"They are currently in the midst of a fundamental process of moving further away from the secular Ataturk approach, closer to a radical approach," Yadlin said, adding that key factors had been an easing of Turkish concerns about Syria and Ankara's failure to clinch membership of the European Union.

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk founded the modern secular state on the ruins of Ottoman muslim theocratic rule in the 1920s. Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan insists he remains loyal to Ataturk's legacy but secularist conservatives suspect him of ambitions to found a religious state, an allegation he denies.

Turkey, a member of the NATO defense pact, has a history of military cooperation with Israel and of mediating for Israel with the Arab world.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1143701.html

uksecretcourts

19-01-2010, 10:32 PM

wakeup2nwo

19-01-2010, 10:37 PM

jiffy

19-01-2010, 10:43 PM

Turkey intended to join the EU, and her plan B was to link up with Russia if this failed.

The EU has rejected Turkey.

Russia is welcoming the link.

So now we have Russia, China, Turkey and Iran as an axis.

So it's true. Turkey does not need links to Israel. Neither does Russia, Iran or China.

If Israel attacks Iran, then I would rather let Israel face the consequences than face WW3.

Given how many US assets China now holds, the growing Oil crisis. I will

be amazed indeed astonished if ww3 doesn't happen in my life time!

This isn't fear monger or even wild speculation, those that know me, know I do niether.

This is an educated guess, History tells us that the fall of an empire is

never peaceful, couple History will the way the Porns are moving it is

inevitable. Unless Aliens land or a natural disaster of such magnitude

happened that would render the porns incapable of conflict.

uksecretcourts

19-01-2010, 11:25 PM

Today i found a report that a strike on Iran is only given a 10% chance of happening.

Iran is attacked:
Great controversy would result from the direct attack of its nuclear facilities and other targets. Controversy would stir from scattered unconfirmed reports of involvement by various nations. Retaliation by Russia and China, long promised, then comes in hidden ways not fully understood. In the aftermath, the banks in the Mideast region are subjected to great scrutiny by several global players, especially one US ally nation. (chance: 10%)

(What I think the author is hinting at, is that the Chinese prefer Assymetrical warfare. As they own $1.43 trillion us dollars they could hurt the US without firing a bullet.)

UKGovt suffers a debt downgrade: The United Kingdom would be the first major industrialized nation to lose its high credit rating. The UKGilt bond yields then rise above 6% without pause. The threat of sovereign debt default is debated. The British Pound currency falls, which perversely aids the USDollar. Shock waves extend to the Wall Street financial center. Later, scrutiny comes to the USTreasury for its own downgrade and default risk. (chance: 50%)

(This seems to hint that the UK could be sacrificed to give temporary reprieve to the dollar. As China holds more dollars than sterling, this seems likely).

Here's that report I mentioned. Happy reading!
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/200974-2010-Giant-Gathering-Storm-Clouds

jiffy

19-01-2010, 11:37 PM

(What I think the author is hinting at, is that the Chinese prefer Assymetrical warfare. As they own $1.43 trillion us dollars they could hurt the US without firing a bullet.)

I agree, BUT it isn't the Chinese you have to worry about.

What Martin Luther King, Jr called

"the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.. my government"

creamfields usa

20-01-2010, 04:32 AM

I agree. Neither does the United States. Israel's future doesn't exist. I can't agree more with your comments. The gifts they give to us are none.

Calling for the removal is the smartest idea Iran has had in years. It is the middle east peace progress that gives the momentum to suceed.

stelios

20-01-2010, 07:33 AM

Good news that the current Turkish government is standing up for the free world against Israel's apartheid policies.

tayyib erdogan davos - with subtitles from guardian - YouTube

Bravo Erdogan

jud1th

20-01-2010, 07:35 AM

The Turkish newspaper 'Todays Zaman' which can be read on-line, does not report this story in the same way, negotiations are still on going.

anthony1965

20-01-2010, 11:16 AM

Given how many US assets China now holds, the growing Oil crisis. I will

be amazed indeed astonished if ww3 doesn't happen in my life time!

This isn't fear monger or even wild speculation, those that know me, know I do niether.

This is an educated guess, History tells us that the fall of an empire is

never peaceful, couple History will the way the Porns are moving it is

inevitable. Unless Aliens land or a natural disaster of such magnitude

happened that would render the porns incapable of conflict.

It's pawns Jiffy. ;)

But pawns is a good analogy. Someone is moving around nations like pawns on a chessboard.

World War Three is not inevitable. In fact it has no real justification whatever... but neither did world war one.

We have to learn from history and understand that entire nations can be manipulated by the evil machinations of a few.

Is there really any love shared between Turkey and Russia for example?

Why did Turkey ever have such a close relationship with Israel to begin with?

Who was behind the Young Turks?

Who has encouraged radical islam?

Who built up China at the expense of America?

The World War Three scenario being pushed is just as was described by whatisname the freemason who predicted world war one and two.

It also fits in with revelations... gog and magog mentioned recently in the forum.

Why should we in the west get involved with any middle east conflict?

Why should we in the west support any more wars carried out by our corrupt governments?

It's all a big game.

But unfortunately the game is very real and has already cost many, many millions of lives.

We have to see through it, expose it and make it clear that there is no justification for wars and oppression.

This world is run by the worst of mankind.

It's time that it was run by the best.

And until then, each and every one of us should live in love and wisdom.

I'll get off my soap box now... :o

transcendental stallion

20-01-2010, 12:10 PM

kguk

20-01-2010, 01:44 PM

Iran: Expediency Council Chief Says Turkey, Iran Can Play Significant Role In Region

Iran’s Expediency Council secretary, Mohsen Rezaie, on Jan. 19 said the “collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of its role in the region as well as the U.S. failure in establishing security and fighting terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq have multiplied the significance and importance of Iran and Turkey’s roles,” Fars News Agency reported. Rezaie, who was meeting with Turkish Ambassador to Iran Salim Kara Osman Oglu, added, “Iran and Turkey can play a significant role in regional developments and against Israel.”
source (http://www.stratfor.com/node/152464/sitrep/20100119_iran_expediency_council_chief_says_turkey _iran_can_play_significant_role_region)

But is it good? Opposing the current state of affairs that are negative to the region is of course a positive development but i dont think the political spectrum is right. In the past it was communism v capitalism, between political ideas of government. Today its the West (with its pet terror Israel) v Islam. Its not a political ideology that is behind the opposition but a religion. Turkey and Iran have two very different forms of government and the only thing they have in common is religion. That religion is being used for a political agenda. The only result of this will be to push people to think "if you are a muslim you must have these political views". Which is dangerous and why religion shouldn't mix with politics.

sloughi

31-01-2010, 10:18 PM

Turkey PM: Israel should mull future without us as ally
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday warned Israel should to "take another look at its relations with its neighbors" if it wants to maintain ties with Turkey in the future.

"Israel should give some thought to what it would be like to lose a friend like Turkey in the future," Erodegan told Euronews, regarding his thoughts on the recent tensions between the two Mediterranean countries.

"The way they recently treated our ambassador has no place in international politics," said Erdogan, referring to a recent diplomatic incident in which Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon summoned the envoy and treated him with deliberate disrespect.

We have important ongoing agreements between us. How can these agreements be kept going in this climate of mistrust?" Erdogan told Euronews.

Regarding Turkey's criticism over Israel's Cast Lead Operation, Erdogan said: "When innocent civilians are ruthlessly killed, struck by phosphorus bombs, infrastructure is demolished in bombing and people are forced to live in an open-air prison?

"We can not see this as compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, simply human rights, and we can not close our eyes to all this happening," he said.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1146414.html

icemanrip

31-01-2010, 11:38 PM

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread539670/pg1#

Gog-Magog War To Happen This Year

Gog-Magog War to happen Mid-October this year.

The facts have led me to this conclusion. Hear me out, this may mean survival for you and your loved ones.

Lets look at what the bible says about this war. Great explanation below.

www.youtube.com...#

Now we all know what happened in 2008 at the start of the Olympics. Do you really know what was going to happen?
Bush on the 11th of August 2008 had amassed a huge armada just out of the Persian Gulf to attack Iran.
www.asianews.it...

Now we have seen what Russia will do to protect Iran’s oil fields, we know Iran invented Chess and they think they are destined for a great war with Israel. Iran has said publicly many times the Iranian army is the Mahdi’s army and that they will march with him through Iraq and invades the land of Israel.

Iran has a huge army when called to war, the whole south of Iraq from Baghdad south to Kuwait will push north while the regular Iranian army and its Mahdi recruits come from the east. Our troops in Iraq will be in great danger, As soon as the Russians are seen heading south we will be forced to move the Iraqi divisions north to meet them head on leaving their backsides exposed to the Iranians invading from the east.

Iran if attacked will have many friends coming to help in what seems like the perfect chance to take down Jewish Israel. Many have longed for the day, Millions will die trying.

What would happen if Israel or the U.S. attacked Iran right now? There would be a revolt in this country for sure. For the U.S. or Israel to get the partial backing of the population they need Iran to attack first. Ask yourself how many people would be livid in this country if say thousands of people were killed in an attack on the winter Olympics in Canada?

They don’t even need to blame it directly on Iran, all they need to do is say we cant risk a bigger terror attack and they will think they have the justification to attack Iran.

This is the end result of such a war as warned of by the bible, This is not the war of Armageddon. This is many nations against Israel not all.

“Ezekiel's prophecy and Russia's changing demographics. The prophet Ezekiel predicted almost 2,600 years ago that Rosh (modern Russia) would lead an end time invasion of Israel. The allies of Russia in this invasion are ancient places that today are Central Asia (Magog), Iran (Persia), Libya (Put), Turkey (Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, and Togarmah), and Sudan (Cush)—all of which are Islamic nations. In previous articles we have speculated about what could possibly draw Russia into such an alliance against Israel. Several reasons have been suggested: 1) Russia's desire for regional supremacy, 2) Russia's need to maintain a counter-balance of power against the West, or 3) Russia's reassertion of its might after its humiliation in the early 1990s when the might Soviet Empire disintegrated. All of these are plausible, reasonable explanations for Russia's involvement in this future attack on Israel.”

www.watchmanbiblestudy.com...

Ezekiel 38,18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord GOD, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My Mountains,” says the Lord GOD. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the LORD.”’.
www.biblegateway.com...

So there you have it. Russia, Iran and its allies try to invade Israel. Israel will be forced to nuke the hell out of that army and you know they will drop them on the outbound faces of those mountains to shield themselves. Now I know you are all saying how can Israel win a nuclear war with Russia?

Israel has the Arrow II ballistic missile defense system ready to go as well as the U.S. Navy’s Standard 3 system in the area, last but not least the improved Patriot.

Russia will not be able to hit their targets in Israel; Israel will lash out at will. 2/3rds of Russia’s military will be wiped out in this battle. Damascus, Syria will be utterly destroyed. The whole invasion goes wrong for the enemy of Israel and God punishes them with no remorse.

Who stops it? Who stops this war where millions are being slaughtered? The Anti-Christ, That’s who stops it. That is why the Anti-Christ is initially called the Prince Of Peace. Who is not named in this war? Who would these powers listen too?

Obama and the U.S... If Obama has Israel attack Iran on their own and he keeps U.S. troops from trying to stop this invasion he will be in a position to stop it in a peace deal and proclaim later that he is the Messiah. This is exactly how he will take over most of the world. The world will hand over ALL of its nuclear weapons to him for safe keeping, when the world is ready to be done with these nasty weapons of war is when he will rule with an Iron fist.

Russia’s intelligence found out that Bush was going to attack right after the Olympics and Putin called his card.
www.time.com...

Bush although he had done many stupid things, he was not about to confront the Russian Bear unless he had no other choice. Bush and Putin agreed to stop this Great War in the making and they invented a cover story right in front of our eyes. Bush agreed to give up North Ossetia and Putin agreed to stop his advance. We all heard Oh it was Georgia’s fault. No, not true by a long shot.

“Interviews with Russian soldiers, accounts from embedded Russian journalists and publications by Latynina and Andrei Ilarioniv all point to the presence of volunteer formations, quasi-official formations such as the Chechen "Vostok" Battalion, and advance guard elements of the Russian 135th and 693rd Motorized Rifle Regiments prior to August 8.”
cdi.org...

After his escape to Georgia on January 26, Aleksandr Glukhov made a statement that was immediately picked up by those accusing Russia of starting a war in South Ossetia.

Back then he claimed his unit was transferred to South Ossetia last June – long before the military conflict there, which broke out on August 8. He said that “the troops were transferred to [the capital of South Ossetia] Tskhinval in June. We started digging trenches and dugouts.”
Thursday’s issue of the Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets published an interview in which Glukhov says:
“We were somewhere in the mountains. It’s true, we were in South Ossetia, in the village of Kestikao – not sure about the pronunciation, though. Our battalion spent two weeks there in July. We held our positions there guarding the tents. We were waiting for something, don’t know what exactly.”
“There is no such village as Kestikao in South Ossetia but there’s one called Kesatikau – located in Russia’s North Ossetia near the Georgian border.”
rt.com...

Now this is just small Potatoes compared to hearing during the war that a major Russian combat brigade had moved from St.Petersburg to Abkhazia, another Russian controlled province in north eastern Georgia in July. What we do know is that the Brigade left St.Petersburg with every piece of gear they had under the cover of a war game and never came back. They were last seen invading Georgia proper and burning Georgian towns. This is the same group that captured the sea port and stole our Hummers with a great deal of communications gear.

We also know that Israelis were caught fighting beside the brave Georgian troops trying to hold back the feared Russian army. Why were Israelis there you ask? Georgia is where the line in the sand is drawn for N.A.T.O and Israel. Russia must in any situation be stopped there to protect Turkey. It’s also a natural buffer with the mountains in the north. If the Russians make it past Georgia then its game on between Turkey and Russia, If Turkey fails or allows the Russians in then the Russians will be on Iraq and Israel’s doorsteps.

So today we now have no speed bump in the way to Turkey because Georgia’s forces are in ruins and re-supplying or training them again will have Putin screaming foul. Turkey is also being less friendly to the U.S. and Israel every day. With Turkey showing its hard line Islamic trend we now have Russia at the Hot Gates.

www.worldatlas.com...

We all know Israel and the U.S. will never let Iran go nuclear. 2011 is not an option for them, They must get the situation resolved this year or the mad mullah will have his nukes.

All wars in that region have started in the fall. The summer is just too hot and the winter is very cold at night, night is when our army attacks.

Our armed forces are starting to make preparations for retaliation by Iran.

news.yahoo.com...

This is the best reading I have done on the war.
www.tribulation.com...

rodin

31-01-2010, 11:43 PM

Me n my Turkish M8 (was an Imam now runs a bar - don't ask) think Erdogan is OK

M8 knows who runs the world too

icarus

31-01-2010, 11:45 PM

Good news that the current Turkish government is standing up for the free world against Israel's apartheid policies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY83lsO5VrM

Bravo Erdogan

+1

bye bye israel

you gave it a good shot

now increasingly isolated, the world sees you as the shitty little terror state you are:D

bye bye

tinyint

01-02-2010, 12:53 AM

Good news that the current Turkish government is standing up for the free world against Israel's apartheid policies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY83lsO5VrM
Bravo Erdogan

No matter wheather or not somebody have been moving nations around.
The vid shows the current reality.
I respect Mr.Erdogan very much for leaving and speaking truth.

+1

tinyint

01-02-2010, 01:01 AM

Erdogan speaks against peres at Davos - English Subtitles (correct translation) - YouTubeIs

that correct? :eek:

Forgot to add, it is a different and much stronger translation...

elirien

01-02-2010, 01:10 AM

Turkey intended to join the EU, and her plan B was to link up with Russia if this failed.

The EU has rejected Turkey.

Russia is welcoming the link.

So now we have Russia, China, Turkey and Iran as an axis.

So it's true. Turkey does not need links to Israel. Neither does Russia, Iran or China.

If Israel attacks Iran, then I would rather let Israel face the consequences than face WW3.

Small questions and I hope no one gets offended.

1. I want some of that which guys have smoked.

2. You guys are reading a mass media outlet talking about Israeli intelligence. key thought: what is reality?

3. Turkey, Iran, China and Russia as corporations have nothing in common (and not trying to be separative here but I hope it stays that way in an corporate and totally illusory understanding).

4. Everything is OK.

The Turkish newspaper 'Todays Zaman' which can be read on-line, does not report this story in the same way, negotiations are still on going.

That mass media outlet is controlled by Fethullah Gulen who is a CIA/Vatican actor. Just a reminder.

jud1th

01-02-2010, 05:40 AM

elirien

01-02-2010, 10:58 AM

Hi Elirien,

Yes i am aware of Fethullah Gullen, I don't know why he fled to america. I enjoyed his book 'Peace through Love and Tolerance'. Like everything we read its to gain an insight.
Todays Zaman is readable and useful but theres more informative sites to go to.

I find looking at this Government and all others 'Its all wheels within wheels.

Has Istanbul warmed up yet?

Hi jud1th,

oh its definitely wheels within wheels, that's why its kind of important (in an illusory way) to remember that. These guys were trying to sell land that they don't own to Israel last year. Gulen fled to America for various reasons (the main being trying to create a Theocratic state).

Even though he isn't quite trustworthy Leo Zagami had quite something to say about this clique:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43677

I believe he is right on this one since Gulen's organizations use quite easily observable Jesuit mind control techniques.

Funny that you should ask if it got warm. It got warm just today. Yesterday and the days before it was raining and snowing. Today it is just lovely (perfect for a bike ride).

Hope you are alright and we are here if you are up for a cup of coffee and a good drag at a waterpipe :D

God bless you.